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The way things are
06/08/10 at 22:07:19
 
Perhaps it`s my age...mid-sixties, or fatigue from decades-long fights for civil rights, women`s rights, social and economic justice. Maybe it`s the sickening occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan after the heartbreak of Vietnam. Maybe it`s knowing that so many Americans willingly overlook homeless children and veterans while they name every single American Idol winner. Whatever it is, I honestly can`t take any more of it. My feet are sore from marching and my heart is sick from watching.

This human, wildlife and environmental catastrophe in the Gulf is nothing short of a crime against nature and the responsibility rests on the shoulders of not only greedy, callous BP executives but every single Washington enabler and governmental "leader" that voted for, worked for, or supported deregulation in exchange for campaign backing or contributions. How the hell many more times are we going to dredge up excuses for gluttonous, shallow "leaders"? When every shrimper fisherman, and oysterman is sitting on the curb with a tin cup? When every textile worker ends up in a soup kitchen? We take real, good care of the fat cats (and other people that matter) in this country. Just check out some of the loopholes Congress designed. There may not be enough cash to repair the falling-down ceiling in an inner city school but there is always plenty for another bronze statue in a gerrymandered district or another load of clusterbombs.

As the oil-coated wildlife pile up down in Louisiana and elsewhere (like the dead soldiers and maimed children piled up in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the drowning victims piled up in New Orleans) we should ask ourselves how much lower we`ll allow the bar to go. How many more excuses will we come up with? How many more principles will we be willing to sacrifice?

I am one old liberal sickened and saddened by the state of my country. If we keep making excuses for the corporate takeover of our country then we should forgo the outrage when the big boys get their way and there's another disaster to deal with. Although there are many leaders that claim to be "for the working people" they almost always figure out a back room deal that favors anyone but the little people (aka middle class....aka us.)

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Re: The way things are
Reply #1 - 06/08/10 at 22:22:27
 
I am 100 percent behind you Star. goddang big business owns and runs this country, We the people,my tushy.
We need some lions to enter polotics,but to find just one that isn't crooked or paid off by big business,is impossable. Jimmy Carter cant run again. mores the shame.
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Re: The way things are
Reply #2 - 06/08/10 at 22:46:20
 
Hey!,.. buck up Star,.. snap out of it...

No one can fix the world,... but everyone can do what they can...

Who is it here, has the tagline,..."Tryin' to be as good a man, as my dog thinks I am"?...
I love that...
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Re: The way things are
Reply #3 - 06/09/10 at 05:08:23
 
If you want to be happy, change your mind.


No, you are not alone here, a lot of people have
this same mindset because unsustainability is
finally catching up with the times and people's
very lives are being affected like never before.

Tell you what, I'll send you a PM soon with a copy
of a letter (that has turned into a small book by now)
that I'm currently writing to my brother touching all
these subjects in a very matter-of-fact way. I'm sure
you will enjoy it because you'll get to read completely
different POV's about the same topics mainly because
they are being written by and for someone half your age
and with completely different backgrounds.

The truth is that things are far from fine right now and will
sadly turn for the far-worse before they start getting better.
The key to getting out of this will be to truly understand
our interconnectivity with every single person and living
being on earth and beyond, and the causes and implications
of all our actions, desires and aspirations and how each of
us is greatly responsible for all this mess mainly because of
1) our inability as a species to understand the exponential
function and unsustainability of all things and 2) because
we are addicted to comfort and will fight with claw and teeth
if anything threatens this lifestyle, ironically even if this leads
to self-destruction. So long for now and you'll hear from me
soon enough, in the meantime this is a good time to reexamine
your life and see where exactly you fit into this great puzzle,
and this goes for all of you!
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Re: The way things are
Reply #4 - 06/09/10 at 08:21:06
 
The key to getting out of this will be to truly understand
our interconnectivity with every single person and living
being on earth and beyond, and the causes and implications
of all our actions, desires and aspirations and how each of
us is greatly responsible for all this mess mainly because of
1) our


I disagree.
I believe the way out is to get rid of the majority of the govt( You know, the parts not supported by the Constitution).
We need to say NO to the debt the criminals have hung around our collective necks. People need to quit worrying about whether or not someone is wearing a seatbelt & they need to be concerned with whether or not Monsanto is gonna have us all dead or dying in the next few years. If you own Monsanto stock, you are invested in your own demise..
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Reply #5 - 06/09/10 at 09:30:00
 
I would like to see the comeback of the tar and feathers tradition.

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Reply #6 - 06/09/10 at 09:43:35
 
...we can't spare the birds...

How 'bout just tar?...
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Reply #7 - 06/09/10 at 09:55:31
 
Serowbot wrote on 06/09/10 at 09:43:35:
...we can't spare the birds...

How 'bout just tar?...


Plenty of tar on the beaches.. *sigh*
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Reply #8 - 06/09/10 at 10:27:35
 
Absolutely agree with you JOG.

The thing is that this is all very complex
and most people cannot handle complexity
anymore, and that's just the way they like it.

The term "we the sheeple" is no joke, today they
have everyone addicted to instant gratification
mindlessly running after the next darn dopamine
squirt and not caring about (or even understanding)
the real issues or what's at stake. We somehow
forgot how to take care of (and think for) ourselves
and it's here where the nanny-state stepped in and
did whatever they pleased while everyone applauded,
the result are all your banks, bp's and monsantos.


* Chuck Palahniuk once wrote: “I see all this potential,
and I see squandering. God darn it, an entire generation
pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars.
Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs
we hate so we can buy sh1t we don't need. We're the middle
children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no
Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual
war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised
on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires,
and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly
learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off. uckf darnation,
man! uckf redemption! We are God's unwanted children? So be it!”
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Re: The way things are
Reply #9 - 06/09/10 at 11:43:48
 
Stimpy - FSO wrote on 06/09/10 at 05:08:23:
If you want to be happy, change your mind.


No, you are not alone here, a lot of people have
this same mindset because unsustainability is
finally catching up with the times and people's
very lives are being affected like never before.

Tell you what, I'll send you a PM soon with a copy
of a letter (that has turned into a small book by now)
that I'm currently writing to my brother touching all
these subjects in a very matter-of-fact way. I'm sure
you will enjoy it because you'll get to read completely
different POV's about the same topics mainly because
they are being written by and for someone half your age
and with completely different backgrounds.

The truth is that things are far from fine right now and will
sadly turn for the far-worse before they start getting better.
The key to getting out of this will be to truly understand
our interconnectivity with every single person and living
being on earth and beyond, and the causes and implications
of all our actions, desires and aspirations and how each of
us is greatly responsible for all this mess mainly because of
1) our inability as a species to understand the exponential
function and unsustainability of all things and 2) because
we are addicted to comfort and will fight with claw and teeth
if anything threatens this lifestyle, ironically even if this leads
to self-destruction. So long for now and you'll hear from me
soon enough, in the meantime this is a good time to reexamine
your life and see where exactly you fit into this great puzzle,
and this goes for all of you!

Stimpy,can you please send me a copy,if it's not to much trouble.thanks.   Mick
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Reply #10 - 06/09/10 at 12:07:01
 
there needs to be some social responsibility taken by corporations, when it's not, the government should be allowed to step in. the argument is what social responsibilities we can all agree on. is the environment something we all agree on, and the answer is a clear no, there are plenty of corporations and people that would gladly pillage and plunder the environment  for profit, and there are states like Texas that would love to let them, Texas if fighting the EPA now for even less control over "Texas Air"  I breathe that air dang it, when I drive by a refinery, I wish I had a gas mask in the car or bike half the time, guess who's the main contributor of over the legal limit of air pollution? yep, bp.  bp should be marked as a clear enemy of the environment and safety, all they care about is their profit. period. should they care about profit, yes, should it be their only concern, no. they are killing people and the environment for profit, period. I wonder how many other corporations are doing the same thing, as long as they can buy us all out with cheap products and buying votes and politicians with campaign donations and lobbyists, there needs to be a change in how politicians are allowed to get their money while in office AND after they get out of office.
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Reply #11 - 06/09/10 at 12:39:40
 
there needs to be some social responsibility taken by corporations,


An inability to see deeper would lead to that conclusion. What we need is a well informed & ethical public who directs their dollars to the corporations who engage in good behavior. Today, Im thinking they would all die in minutes if America stopped spending $$$ with criminal/ unethical corporations.
Our govt overseers have been infiltrated by the corporations they are supposed to regulate. FDA is & has been run by people from the drug industry for decades. Carter( IIRC) put the top paid lobbyist for the logging industry into the Head of Dept of Interior.. Gee,, wunner who got lots of access after that?
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Reply #12 - 06/09/10 at 12:58:21
 
There needs to be some social responsibility taken by corporations,

Agreed!
Plus, we all need to take responsibility for our own actions as well.

This is good stuff & I believe it's a step in the right direction if we ever want to make a difference. We've all gotta learn to stand together for the good we wish to accomplish.


Side note, since BP was brought up... There's been a lot of talk about boycotting BP. They also own Castrol oil, which USED TO BE my oil of choice. No more BP for me!
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Reply #13 - 06/09/10 at 13:01:59
 
PLease, reread my post, the first line is a quote from someone else, I disagree w/ it. It would be nice & the only way to force them to do that is to punish them by not using their products/services when they are bad. Monsanto, ADM, Halliburton, Dyncor & the list goes on & on, criminal or just irresponsible corporations.
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Reply #14 - 06/09/10 at 13:33:50
 
Yeah, I knew you were quoting LostArtist. I don't necessarily agree with what he posted about the government being allowed to step in, but I fully agree that corporations need to take responsibility. You're right, it would be nice... You're also right that it's not likely to happen without us punishing them. That's why I added the little blurb about boycotting BP. The sad part is we don't have a well educated & informed population. I think Starlifter stated something about the general public knows more about who won American Idol then the current state of affairs... That is so true & makes me sick! Ever seen Jay Leno do the Jaywalking? Those idiots don't even know who the vice president is!! And we expect these people to vote? Let alone make ethical decisions in the world??

I was merely touching on something I thought we all could agreed on... Was I that far off?
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