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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: fokker D1 Reply #15 - 08/23/10 at 14:44:25 Jerry I saw a thing on the history channel it was pretty opposite of what you are saying
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: fokker D1 Reply #17 - 08/23/10 at 15:26:43 I found a place that said 2-1 kills in favor of the Migs,The ratio of how many jets they had was 10-1 in favor of Saber jets. Found it under Russian Aces in Korea. But that water over the dam now.
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Reply #18 - 08/23/10 at 15:42:06

Bill -

The site you looked at only tells a very small part of te story.

Even during Korea, the U.S. suspected that some North Korean and Chinese Migs were in fact being flown by Russian pilots. Now, almost 60 years later, we know it was true.

But my estimate of the overall kill ratio was wrong.

Taking into account all fights with all Migs flown by all enemy pilots; North Korean, Chinese and Russian, to overall kill ratio was 26 to 1 in favor of the Sabre.

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Reply #19 - 08/23/10 at 15:58:43

I think the kill ratio was a little closer with Spitfires and Messerchmites,because pilots were about equil in experience,and skill.
Allthough German pilots used to get really pissed off if they found out a Sgt pilot shot them down,NCOs were generaly used as wing men but they shot down a fair share , I'm sure without the old stiff upper lip old chap.

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Reply #20 - 08/23/10 at 16:04:03

Mick -

I don't know what the ratio was during the Battle of Britain.

But one thing we have to remember is that when a German pilot was downed, even if he bailed out and lived, he was then a POW and lost for the rest of the war.

If an RAF pilot lived thru a shoot down, he was back in the battle in a matter of days, assuming he wasn't badly injured.

It takes the better part of a year just to train a pilot and get him to his first mission - it took a matter of days to build a new airplane.

That's a fact that always benefits the defender, fighting on his home soil.

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Reply #21 - 08/23/10 at 16:27:53

The show I saw on the history channel said we offered $1000,000,000 for a Mig jet,One day a Mig flew in to one of our airports oversea,It was a North Korean pilot,He didn't know about the money but he got it and lives in the USA some wheres now.We wanted the jet to see why it was so fast and hard to knock out of the air,Thats what the show said.When I was in the army in 1962 they told us if Russia hit us first in a nuclear attack and knock out half of our missiles we would still when the nuclear war within 24 hours.They also told us that we were the best outfit that ever when threw basic training in Fort Knox Ky.Now you know none of us believed that.I don't believe that you can believe any thing our government says,Today they said the surge is working in Afghan.To me its all brainwashing to make us think its OK.

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6851 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: fokker D1 Reply #22 - 08/23/10 at 18:21:16 wow a anti religon bloke intrigued with kill ratios... mic u b closer to it than you are willing to admit.....
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mick Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Hell-bound Posts: 7323 Dayton Oregon Gender:	Re: fokker D1 Reply #23 - 08/23/10 at 20:35:23 thumperclone wrote on 08/23/10 at 18:21:16: wow a anti religon bloke intrigued with kill ratios... mic u b closer to it than you are willing to admit..... Sorry mate no idea what you are trying to say, explain please . "closer to what "? I guess mic means Mick and u b means "you will be" areyou an African American ?
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PerrydaSavage Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Riding "The Rock"! Posts: 3522 Republic of Newfoundland Gender:	Re: fokker D1 Reply #25 - 08/24/10 at 03:12:51 Spitfire vs ME109; http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html F-86 Sabre vs Mig-15; http://www.acepilots.com/discussions/mig_vs_sabre.html
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Reply #26 - 08/24/10 at 05:49:21

Nice build Mick. My next RC plane will be a Spad Xlll. Always loved biplanes, especially WWl planes. My Dad was an aircraft mechanic. He used to carry me to watch Zach Reynolds fly his Pitts. That was always a show. There was another pilot here that could really fly his Stearman, cant remember his name. I grew up around motorcycles and airplanes. Thats why I still love them both today.

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Jerry Eichenberger Serious Thumper Offline 2006 S40. OEM windshield, saddle bags, Sportster Posts: 2919 Columbus, Ohio Gender:	Re: fokker D1 Reply #27 - 08/24/10 at 06:01:09 Midnight - I think I've said it before on here, but it amazes me how many pilots I know are also into motorcycles. Something must make the two go together.
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Reply #28 - 08/24/10 at 06:13:21

Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 08/24/10 at 06:01:09:

Midnight -

I think I've said it before on here, but it amazes me how many pilots I know are also into motorcycles.

Something must make the two go together.

There's a lot of us "wannabe pilots" who for whatever reason didn't get their pilot's license that ride motorcycles and wish we could fly on the weekends.

Now that my kids are (almost) grown, I'm getting back into flying - models that is. I built a couple of triplanes when I was a kid - only one of them flew worth a darn. Your's looks good Mick. I'm working on flying RC trainers and simulators now, and building some balsa kits - they sure are a lot easier with modern adhesives. So far I'm just repeating models that I built as a kit. My goal is to build a small RC scale model (again modern materials are amazing) to fly indoors. I'm thinking four channels and one of the Liason/observation planes.

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Reply #29 - 08/24/10 at 06:18:18

Mornhm -

If you've always wanted to fly, go do it. With the new sport pilot certificate, the cost of flying has dropped dramatically.

Sure, it's a bit more costly than riding a Savage. But I know of motorcycles ( big HDs and Hondas) more expensive than some older, classic airplanes.

I'm often surprised how much some people spend on hobbies like golf and still think that flying is more expensive.

If you're truly interested, PM me so I don't bore the whole forum with a detailed discussion. And, in what part of the country do you reside?

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