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Re: Oil temps and usage comparison
Reply #45 - 09/06/10 at 10:05:54

verslagen1 wrote on 08/30/10 at 13:18:57:

To clarify:
Test period, 2 months and 2k miles.
at start of test, 2qts bring level up to midway with filter change.
record make up oil.

RotSyn, 2 qts. change + 2 qts over 2 months and 2k miles (test complete)

Klotz, 2 qts. change + 1 qt over 1 month and 1k miles (test incomplete)

Now Vergs put it midway so he gets its it blown out,He said they used the same amount of oil,So Klotz wins the oil consumption,Because he put it midway.

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Reply #46 - 09/06/10 at 10:12:28

verslagen1 wrote on 09/05/10 at 11:05:12:

OK, so the cool days have come and gone...
http://verslagen.savageriders.com/Oil War/Klotz-cool_days.jpg

What I did was delete any days that were over 90°
Now we can directly compare the Klotz with RotSyn.
And what we find is the same results, klotz runs hotter then RotSyn.
I think we all have to wonder what that means. Is it a good or bad thing.
There are a lot of places in the engine that run hotter than 250°.
Is klotz absorbing that heat better?

The head temp is confusing me a bit. I'm measuring the temp at the coolest part of the head to keep within the capabilities of my IR gage.

The head is hotter because Klotz has better Ring to wall seal which cause higher compression Which makes more power and heat,Even thought the engine is 10 degrees warmer the oil is 2 degrees warmer,cooler running oil compared to engine temperature.

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #47 - 09/06/10 at 10:15:36 Klotz wins Less oil consumption,More horsepower with the better seal,Cooler running oil compared to the engine temperature.
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #48 - 09/06/10 at 10:23:37 I was suprised how well the rotella did in the Raptor 700.
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #49 - 09/06/10 at 10:26:15 I started using Klotz 39 years ago and I see now reason to stop.
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #50 - 09/06/10 at 10:31:31 OF get down on your knees.
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Re: Oil temps and usage comparison
Reply #51 - 09/06/10 at 10:32:44

Wheeeeee !!

It's an OIL WAR !!

(light hand carry weapons and flame throwers only -- no field artillery, bombers nor tactical nukes allowed)

Grin

Since your questions were to Verslagen, how 'bout we let him answer them questions before getting anybody's pants knees all dirty?

Once your statements get verified as facts and the ramifications of them understood then we will let the kangaroo court decide who bends over for whom.

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.... been having nightmares about that ugly hillbilly, haven't you?
If somebody were gonna rudely expand my horizons I'd be making me up some imaginative rebuttal stuff up too ....

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Re: Oil temps and usage comparison
Reply #52 - 09/06/10 at 10:44:11

bill67 wrote on 09/06/10 at 10:05:54:

verslagen1 wrote on 08/30/10 at 13:18:57:

To clarify:
Test period, 2 months and 2k miles.
at start of test, 2qts bring level up to midway with filter change.
record make up oil.

RotSyn, 2 qts. change + 2 qts over 2 months and 2k miles (test complete)

Klotz, 2 qts. change + 1 qt over 1 month and 1k miles (test incomplete)

Now Vergs put it midway so he gets its it blown out,He said they used the same amount of oil,So Klotz wins the oil consumption,Because he put it midway.

To further clarify, started midway, because that's where 2 qt's puts it, replenish to lower line if it falls below lower line, same with both oils. And oil noted in airbox drain tube.

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Re: Oil temps and usage comparison
Reply #53 - 09/06/10 at 10:45:58

bill67 wrote on 09/06/10 at 10:12:28:

The head is hotter because Klotz has better Ring to wall seal which cause higher compression Which makes more power and heat,Even thought the engine is 10 degrees warmer the oil is 2 degrees warmer,cooler running oil compared to engine temperature.

if the head is hotter by 10° why isn't the oil hotter by 10°?

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Re: Oil temps and usage comparison
Reply #54 - 09/06/10 at 10:50:40

bill67 wrote on 09/06/10 at 10:15:36:

Klotz wins Less oil consumption,More horsepower with the better seal,Cooler running oil compared to the engine temperature.

same oil consumption so far, 1 qt a month/1000 miles.
same horse power, same 85 on the dino track.
klotz clearly runs hotter in the same average ambient temperatures.

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Charon Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1811 Harvard, NE Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #56 - 09/06/10 at 10:53:48 Bill67, we are all still waiting for your documentation of your tests. At the very least, Verslagen IS running a test, and IS posting his results. So far, all we have from you is a series of unfounded statements. That you have been using Klotz for 39 years merely shows us you aren't willing to experiment for yourself.
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Oil temps and usage comparison Reply #57 - 09/06/10 at 10:53:55 Because Klotz has less friction,Crank, valves, and transmission are running cooler.
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Re: Oil temps and usage comparison
Reply #58 - 09/06/10 at 10:55:51

Charon wrote on 09/06/10 at 10:53:48:

Bill67, we are all still waiting for your documentation of your tests. At the very least, Verslagen IS running a test, and IS posting his results. So far, all we have from you is a series of unfounded statements. That you have been using Klotz for 39 years merely shows us you aren't willing to experiment for yourself.

Charon the test has been run by a very bias person and Klotz won.

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Re: Oil temps and usage comparison
Reply #59 - 09/06/10 at 10:56:52

verslagen1 wrote on 09/05/10 at 11:30:33:

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IF one does get hotter quicker, could we assume it would be able to cool more quickly?

That's what I would think, and the test could be run on stove top when the wife ain't looking. time to temp in a pan under full heat. then time to cool afterward. looks like i'm saving the old klotz and looking for a trash pan.

Have rethought this, will get some test tubes.
And I think the heat source should be small, a candle.

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