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Reply #30 - 09/09/10 at 22:42:18
 
When I was just a little kid ,we would run messages to town for yanks.
usualy for fish and chips, but some of them had girl freinds in town we would take letters to them from guys who couldn't get out for one reason or another, they used to give us chewing gum sometimes a sixpenny coin,we loved em they were always so nice to us kids.
Way different than what I see today,is it me or did the fine American youth started to get rude undisaplined. when I came here in 67 I couldn't believe that potential draftees were taking off for Canada to avoid going in.  I'm not sure but in time of war draft dodgers in England Are shot for cowardice.
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Reply #31 - 09/10/10 at 01:17:52
 
Yep, the Longbowmen were the death of the armoured knight on horseback. Firearms kinda put the last nail in the knights coffin.
Not everyone could be a longbowman. You had to be a certain height and have the strength to bring it to full draw. The average longbow was 6 feet. Anyone could shoot a shortbow or crossbow.
Bowmen were a technical class that didnt practice with anything else unlike a knight or foot soldier.

As for the crack about stealing america from the american indians ill let that pass. We learned from our british ancestors that had been practiceing the empire game for hundreds of years before us...lol
By the way mick, im 1/4 cherokee indian. And proud of it.

The mongols were some expert bowmen as well. They could hit a man when at a full gallop shooting under their horses belly at 200 yards.
They could hit a flying bird at a full gallop as well. Expert bowmen and horsemen. The terrified the chinese and romans.
They also developed the hornbow which allowed them to shoot a much shorter bow with more power then a longbow.

I started shooting a recurve when i was 8 and shot one untill after i was forty. Would still shoot one but my shoulders wont let me. So now i shoot a compound. Still shoot a recurve when my shoulders let me.
Its also a proven fact recurve shooters are generaly more accurate and consistant then compound shooters.
Its also easier to switch from a recurve to a compound then vice versa.
Bowhunting for deer is the number one sport for outdoors women.

Jerry, most states now have more deer than when Lewis and Clark came through. Their a nuisance in many areas.
Something else the game departments are trying to promote is getting more youths into the game. Less then 10% of the population hunt any kind of game animal anymore. Xbox, PSP, the loss of rural farms to houseing developments ect has cut the replacement numbers. So much so that only about 6 states actualy have enough youths takeing up the sport to replace the old farts who have got to old or died.
MO is one with something on the order of only .2 percent higher then the replacement numbers needed.
Most of the others are out west.
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Reply #32 - 09/10/10 at 11:36:49
 
Don't you hunters only shoot the Male ? and to be honest every road kill I have ever seen have been female,why is that ?
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Reply #33 - 09/10/10 at 11:51:03
 
mick wrote on 09/10/10 at 11:36:49:
Don't you hunters only shoot the Male ? and to be honest every road kill I have ever seen have been female,why is that ?


Doe meat tastes better! (of course!)  It depends on the season around here, as to which one you shoot.  And the order in which you take them, if you buy extra stamps, as we do.  

My theory on why you see females hit on the road -- They tend to the young, and the young ones are the ones that wander toward the road more often.  Also, the young bucks antlers aren't easily visible for a couple years, so a dead one you see that you think is female could be a young male (button buck)  And doe travel further to get away from bucks, so they get near roads more often.  Bucks usually make one long journey during a season, a couple miles or so, then they usually go back to their home turf.  
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Reply #34 - 09/10/10 at 12:11:58
 
The average kill ratio runs about 60% does and 40% bucks during hunting season. Some trophy hunt just for big bucks. They perceive a prestige in takeing only big bucks. $$$$ in the eyes i call it. In a sense this actualy hurts the deer herd. Some states have inplemented rules where a buck has to be a certain size before he is a legal buck. This is supposedly to allow them to attain their full potential. In the long run it allows a lot more smaller scrub bucks to end up breeding the does and you see fewer trophy class bucks. A lil fur point eats a lot better then some rutted up gamey 12 point...lol
Some states have started to change their rules after years of this. MO is in the niddle of their 'trophy phase'. Angry

Roadkill wise its a tossup as to wheather its a buck or doe. Racks get broke off of bucks. Some even stop and take the racks of deer they have hit on seen alongside the road(illegal in most states). Numbers wise theres more does afield then bucks so you will see more does hit. Bucks are a lil more secretive and sneaky as well. For a good part of the year even bucks wont have antlers as they drop them in mid to late winter and dont start regrowing them untill late spring early summer. So a LOT of those does you see are actualy rackless bucks.

Meat wise theres not much differance. Now during the rut a bucks neck and shoulder muscles bulk up and get a lil tougher. Their rut musk adds a lil flavour to them as well. Overall though unless you know what it is or someone tells you you cant tell the differance between a buck or doe.
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Reply #35 - 09/10/10 at 13:11:23
 
Neither one taste good,tough smelly
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Reply #36 - 09/10/10 at 20:02:49
 
mick wrote on 09/09/10 at 14:55:43:
Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 09/09/10 at 14:41:40:
Mick -

I could never hit the broad side of a barn with a long bow.

Or course, the armor that was pierced by an arrow shot from a long bow wasn't the kind of armor we have today.

Those early, soft steels that were made then didn't offer much protection.

Couldn't a skilled swordsman pierce that old armor with the point of a broadsword?

I think the shear weight of a broardsword on or about your noggin would kill you.
I'm sure the historian who wrote about the long bow meant the Armor of the day,Im sure it was fine warding off almost spent arrows and a glancing blow from a sword.
I might add here That I'm sure glad tanks had been in vented when my queen and country needed me.  Eleven inches of solid steel beats a khaki shirt.I know every enemy have tank busters ,but after years training to drive my tank I got pretty confident,is't that what supossed to happen .We are all fearless at that age.


Neat thing I learned about longbows....

I generally always thought they were replaced by crosbows because crosbows were "better" - not so!  Longbows were superior in range, accuracy, power, and speed of fire.  The problem was that it took years or decades to train an English longbowman, while any slob could pick up a crosbow and become reasonably proficient in a few weeks!

I'm no historian - just my recollection of History channel - or something I read - but it surprised me when I learned that!
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Reply #37 - 09/11/10 at 00:54:22
 
Ah bill, you just dont know how to cook it.
Ham roast tore up and slow cooked in a slow cooker untill its almost done them smother in bar-b-q sauce. Yum yum.
Or replace that expensive round steak with a nice deer steak. Cut it into chunks then smother it in gravy untill done.
Grilled on the bar-b-q with some nice slabs of pineapple on top.
Deer ribs on the barbie then slather bar-b-q on them.
Or use a nice rub you favor. So many ways of cooking deer meat. Grin
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Reply #38 - 09/12/10 at 01:14:42
 
Wolfman wrote on 09/11/10 at 00:54:22:
Ah bill, you just dont know how to cook it.
Ham roast tore up and slow cooked in a slow cooker untill its almost done them smother in bar-b-q sauce. Yum yum.
Or replace that expensive round steak with a nice deer steak. Cut it into chunks then smother it in gravy untill done.
Grilled on the bar-b-q with some nice slabs of pineapple on top.
Deer ribs on the barbie then slather bar-b-q on them.
Or use a nice rub you favor. So many ways of cooking deer meat. Grin

I would sugest that deer meat has very little flavor,after asking around the few family members I have that hunt with rifles, A nephew
got a huge deer last year ,the rack was He gave the meat away.
Wolfman I guess you can make any thing taste good if you add enough Bar-B-Q sauce.but with a good roast (beef) all you need is a little salt and pepper.
Oh my nephew does't like deer meat says it's to gamey.
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Reply #39 - 09/12/10 at 02:27:14
 
Deer meat has pleanty of flavor mick. I eat a lot of it with nothing more then pepper and salt. I just like bar-b-q sauce as well. Even on beef, chicken and pork.
The main differance is deer takes on a 'wild' flavor from all the acorns, berries, shrubs ect they eat. Some folks dont like it. Deer is generaly leaner which means its drier when cooked.
When its taken and whats sex it is can play a small role in the taste as well. A rutting buck is strong flavored where a yearling or doe killed early in the bow season taste much like beef.
MOST people cant tell the differance between beef and deer unless heir told.

Same way with turkey. Wild turkey is darker and drier then tame pen raised turkeys.
Where as beef, chicken, lamb/mutton, turkey, pork, game hens, rabbit, and even a lot of the fish you buy in the store takes on the flavor of the corn, soybean, cottonseed and other additives from the feed they eat.

The ONLY way to get a true beef, pork, turkey or chicken flavor is free range. Meaning YOU raise them yourself and they eat nothing but grass, bugs and plain shell corn. You buy ANYTHING out of the supermarket, even expensive Kobi beef from japan(if you can find it) and your eatting a LOT of chemicals. Cancer causeing chemicals, artery clogging chemicals and fats not to mention loads of salt and other minerals. Some meats(and MORE to come) are IRRADIATED to help preserve it and prolong its shelf life. Supposedly it cuts down on bacteria as well. Radiation GOOD, Bacteria BAD. That is untill you grow a third eye, 11 fingers or webbed feet. Eh?
Store bought veggies are no better, LOADS of chemicals.

Raise your own free range animals, raise your own veggies without chemicals(your still going to be raisieng hybrids with all kinds of different gentic modifications) and wild game, youd live another 10 years and feel a whole lot better.

There's also the matter of haveing raised or hunted your own food that makes it taste a lot better. Elk and mule deer are much the same as whitetailed deer. Antelope has a sweeter taste, even over beef.

Some people just dont like the taste, some cant get over the fact its wild game that was hunted. Many make up their mind after eatting it only once or not even haveing eat it. Some just dont know how to cook it properly either...lol
But then the same can be said about store bought meats. Some dont like beef, some dont like turkey. Its just a matter of taste.
Ill take garden veggies and wild game anytime or a beef or hog ive raised myself.

Its kinda like some like harleys and some dont. Some like Yamahas and some like hondas. Just a matter of taste.
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Reply #40 - 09/12/10 at 04:42:30
 
Lot of people I know that hunt deer make sausage out of the whole thing,Because they don't care for the taste of the meat.
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Reply #41 - 09/12/10 at 11:13:05
 
Lot dont like it cause its drier. Mix a lil good beef fat into it as you grind it and it makes some good sausage or burgers. Deer by itself is so lean it dont want to hold together to make burgers.
Some just mix it with ground beef about 60% deer and 40% beef. I prefer to just add about 10-15% beef fat for burgers. Sausage i just use deer by itself and a few spices. Makes some real nice summer sausage. And jerky? Yum yum! Grin
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Reply #42 - 09/13/10 at 07:09:15
 
Wolfman wrote on 09/12/10 at 11:13:05:
Lot dont like it cause its drier. Mix a lil good beef fat into it as you grind it and it makes some good sausage or burgers. Deer by itself is so lean it dont want to hold together to make burgers.
Some just mix it with ground beef about 60% deer and 40% beef. I prefer to just add about 10-15% beef fat for burgers. Sausage i just use deer by itself and a few spices. Makes some real nice summer sausage. And jerky? Yum yum! Grin


Jerky was always my favorite thing to do with it, created a bunch of different marinades, very tasty.  I like the tenderloin best for stews, just cube it up, toss it in.  Last year, we ground more than we used to and I made alot of spaghetti sauce with it.  Deer meatloaf and lasagna is good too.  But I think my favorite now is using ground deer meat to make taco meat for taco salads.  Mmmmm.

BTW, I saw one of the prettiest 8-point bucks last night in my brother-in-law's brother's yard.  Maybe a hundred feet away, he came out of the woods, stopped and looked at us (we were in the garage looking at his wife's V-Star, which they are trying to get me to buy).  Then a smaller 4- or 6-point came up behind him, they stared for a second, then trotted across the field, down into the creek.  It was poetry in motion, I tell ya!!  
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Reply #43 - 09/13/10 at 08:14:25
 
babyhog wrote on 09/13/10 at 07:09:15:
BTW, I saw one of the prettiest 8-point bucks last night in my brother-in-law's brother's yard.  Maybe a hundred feet away, he came out of the woods, stopped and looked at us (we were in the garage looking at his wife's V-Star, which they are trying to get me to buy).  Then a smaller 4- or 6-point came up behind him, they stared for a second, then trotted across the field, down into the creek.  It was poetry in motion, I tell ya!!  

Can't you just hear the comentary... and here we have man in his natural habitat.  Becareful not to approach them unless they're staring at their metal horses.  Otherwise they have a deadly stinger.  Let's be on our way, the little one is starting to salavate.
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Reply #44 - 09/14/10 at 02:34:49
 
NOOOOOOO BBH!!! Tenderloin for stew???? You ought to be slapped!
Around my house the tenderloin lasts maybe one day possibly two. Rolled in flour salt n pepper and fried. Maybe make a lil gravy and some hot biscuts. Same way with the backstrap.
Only thing goes faster is the Liver and Heart. Those get cooked the night of the kill usualy. God i love deer liver. Grin

Neck, front shoulders and trimings off the rear hams go in stew or get ground up. I like pure deer burger for spagheti or tacos.
Ive got a good recepie or two for deer jerky. My favorite is teryaki. Bad part is i cant quit eatting the tuff, it dont last.
Got a decent recepie around here someplace for deer sausage made in the oven.

I like late evening rides so im haveing to watch more for the fuzzy butted critters. Acorns are falling and its cooling off so their moveing more now. Will just get worse over the next month or so.
I figure unless it stays fairly warm ill be parking the bike by the time the full on rut starts in Nov. Be back to the quad and truck for transportation by then.

Wish i had some fresh tenderloin to go with all these puffball mushrooms im finding. About sick of eatting the things. Probably found 2  5 gallon buckets full so far...lol
Corals should be popping anytime now. Grin
Squirrels are starting to cut the nuts pretty good around the house(live out in the woods, deer in the yard about every night).
About got some quail on the bike this evening to!...lol
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