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09/11/10 at 16:51:24
 
Did anyone do anything to remember this day?
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Reply #1 - 09/11/10 at 18:47:52
 
Not really,....  I watched a couple documentaries on the History channel...

... but honestly,.. as shocking and heart sinking as that day was 9 years ago,... ten's of times as many people are killed on the roads and murdered every year...
 I do remember thinking as I was watching it, that 10 or 20 or 30 thousand people were dying as I watched.... it just turned out, not to be so...
 
... and I also think that amplifying it's magnitude and impact, only serves to aggrandize the scumbags that did it....

Just my thoughts...
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Reply #2 - 09/11/10 at 20:08:21
 
I had my thots about it. Knowing what I know about it makes it hard for me to share much with the dumb masses on the anniversary & its importance, since they believe the BSstory & I know better.
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Reply #3 - 09/12/10 at 02:07:32
 
In the hours and days following the 9/11 attacks, my home Province of Nfld., Canada, played a huge humanitarian role by providing a safe haven, food, shelter, friendship and comfort to tens of thousands of air passengers who, inbound to the U.S.A. that day were ordered to land here because of closed air space ... so I remember though a faction of humankind displayed it's truly ugly heart that day by killing thousands of innocent people, we did the neighborly thing and extended a helping hand ...

9/11 was a terrible tragedy that not only claimed innocent lives, but sadly changed the world we live in and not for the better ...
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Reply #4 - 09/12/10 at 02:32:55
 
it has occupied my mind all week
then there is that issue with building a mosque just down the street from the SITE
this really stirs my soul negatively


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Reply #5 - 09/12/10 at 02:36:25
 
Yeah i remember it, say a lil prayer for those lost every year.
Still remember watching the second plane flying into the towers.
Watching the towers come down and people running for their lives, the cloud of dust and smoke. The long agoniseing days afterward as they searched for very very few survivors.
The anger most folks felt, many wanting to glass the mid-east indiscriminately.
Thousands of people who had friends, family or knew someone in the towers who waited for hours and days with a fadeing hope in their hearts.
Those crazy cannucks to the north takeing in complete strangers and takeing care of them for days afterward.
Takeing my 4 year old outside to show her a sky that had'nt been that empty since the wright brothers flew at kittyhawk. And telling her to remember.

The news first forecasting possibly 50,000 dead then lowering the count by the hour.( There are on average or were, 180,000 people in and around the towers on any given day back then)
The terrorist had'nt fouled up and hit early there would of been MANY more casualties.

Yeah i remember it. Sometimes everyday, definitely every 9/11.
Never Forget, Never Forgive.
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Reply #6 - 09/12/10 at 06:00:45
 
The terrorist had'nt fouled up and hit early there would of been MANY more casualties



Yea, no kiddin. They took the time to figure out how to hijack all those planes, had guys training to be pilots, some even trained on our very own naval air stations, whewww,, musta been a lot of work to accomplish that, & THEN, after all that planning, they didnt even LOOK to see when would be the best time to strike to kill the most people... aint that sumpin??
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Reply #7 - 09/12/10 at 06:07:37
 
When I think of 911 I think of what the greed of oil money can do to some  people. Nothing will stand in their way.
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Reply #8 - 09/12/10 at 11:07:10
 
Yeah they had a timeline, they just got ahead of themselves. Ask any soldier, no plan goes as planned. 10-15 minutes would of made a huge differance in casualties.

They barely had enough training to keep the planes in the air AFTER reg pilots had taken them up.
Trained pilots with air crews and ground crews and a schedule they run EVERY DAY cant keep a timeline today. And you expected terrorist with very minimal training to keep THEIR timeline?? Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - 09/12/10 at 13:25:58
 
Watching theta;lking head explain how Solomon Bros. buildin had collapsed into its own footprint about 20 minutes Prior to itfalling was a bit eerie. Almost as if someone knew something,, huhh?
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Reply #10 - 09/12/10 at 13:50:24
 
People who accept the story of 9/11 simply have no understanding of what happens to metal when it gets hot. It isnt like a Zener diode, holding back the voltage till it gets to a spot where it breaks down.Metal starts to sag slowly & starts to sag worse as the heat climbs. Heat cant distribute itself thru a structure evenly. In fact, the strongest points, that require the most heat to compromise them, are the hardest points to get fire into. The corners. Fire is chaotic. Damage was asymetrical & the collapses were symmetrical. Inconsistent with logic &reason. Inconsistent with historically proven events. Building 7 wasnt hit by a plane, yet, it collapsed. None of this stuff makes sense to anyone who understands how things actually work. Maybe thats why there's over 1,000 architects & engineers promoting a REAL investigation.


AAaaand theres the statements by the 9/11 commission folks,, who say it wasnt an investigation, but a coverup..


Thursday, September 9, 2010
The Anniversary of 9/11




Don't want to hear this?

Tough. Grow up.


9/11 Commissioners:


•The 9/11 Commission's co-chairs said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements (free subscription required)
•9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue

•9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"

•9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up"

•9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." He also said that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking
•And the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) - who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry - recently said "At some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened". He also said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true." And he said: "It's almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA's New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened"
If even the 9/11 Commissioners don't buy the official story, why do you?

Senior intelligence officers:

•Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath (see this and this)
•A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”
•A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe (and see this)
•A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored)
•A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called "perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that "the evidence points at" 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job

•The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 - 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup"

If even our country's top intelligence officers don't buy the official story, why do you?

Congressmen:

•According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here)
•Current Democratic U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy said "The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?"
•Current Republican Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on"
•Current Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren't being told the truth about 9/11
•Current Republican Congressman Jason Chafetz says that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11
•Former Democratic Senator Mike Gravel states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don't know the truth about 9/11

•Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chaffee endorses a new 9/11 investigation

•Former U.S. Democratic Congressman Dan Hamburg doesn't believe the official version of events
•Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job
If there is bipartisan questioning of the official story, why aren't you questioning it?

Other government officials:

•U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said "We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time"
•Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who's who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11
•Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence"
•The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility
•Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt"
•The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission
If top government officials are skeptical, why aren't you?

Numerous other politicians, judges, legal scholars, and attorneys also question at least some aspects of the government's version of 9/11.



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Reply #11 - 09/12/10 at 16:35:01
 
But JOG we had to have a reason to go after Iraq's oil,The towers came down by controlled demolition, Not by the airplanes running into them.Fire burns up not down.
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Reply #12 - 09/12/10 at 21:14:43
 
I have always had my doubts,it did seem real strange to me thay both buildings came down as if professionals had set explosive devices.
But for max damage woulden't you want the buildings to fall to one side or the other causing colateral damage on the ground ?
The way they fell looked like a demolision I saw in Vegas once.
Justin I know nothing about metals and how they react under different extreem conditions, Arent you a welder ? You would know I guess.
The next question is Why ?
I was a very good plan made perfect becuse the terrorists were all suicidel.
Perhaps the whole perpose of the attack was to put a spanner in the works of the American financial machine, You all have to admit it worked, this country will never be the same,it has cost us all billions and billions of dollars. And then the idiotic war that bush started ,something else that needs looking into ,WMDs,my a$$.
I supose this will mean investigation after investigation,just like the Kennedy assasination.
PS,do you think the terrorists knew that well over 70% of the workers were jewish ?
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Reply #13 - 09/13/10 at 05:30:28
 
I hope to never forget that day. No matter the reason behind the planes hitting the two towers, many innocent lives were lost. Family members of the victim's, lives were and have remained altered as with many around the u.s.
I don't think a Mosque being allowed to be built there is a good idea either.
I watch the memorial services each year if I can. Again it is a reminder that in a matter of a few seconds or mins. Our lives can be changed.. kim
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Reply #14 - 09/13/10 at 05:38:48
 
After John Kennedy was killed they said the warren files would be opened in 50 years and we would know who shot him and why.Why did we have to wait 50 years for the government to tell us.I think 50 years is in 2012.
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