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Reply #30 - 09/13/10 at 15:32:14
 
how do you know they hit the right floors?
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Reply #31 - 09/13/10 at 18:11:35
 
conspiracy theories are wishful thinking, especially in this case. as said before, these were structures, not just steel, they had tons and tons and tons of concrete on top of steel being heated by the 1100 degree fire of jet fuel and being weakened, there is no reason those buildings couldn't have collapsed just the way they did. Yes GW took advantage of the attack but I don't think he had any idea it was going to happen, maybe rumblings in the intelligence community but nothing to his level.

the simplest explanation is often the correct one, deal with it
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Reply #32 - 09/13/10 at 19:36:47
 
The simplest explanation is control demolition,that fuel was probability burned up in less than 30 seconds.Those explosions down be low were just delayed jet fuel exploding.
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Reply #33 - 09/13/10 at 23:36:47
 
Star;
you've expressed a lot of nonsense in the past but this one is over the top, even for you, which is saying a lot. I'm not sure there are words to correctly express the pathetic level to which you've sunk.
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Reply #34 - 09/14/10 at 01:29:42
 
bill67 wrote on 09/13/10 at 08:46:27:
Iran has the right to protect them selfs from evil countries Like the USA and Israel.


I wouldn't let sarcasm get the better of you, but on the other hand you do have a point - oddly  !!!

Since 1945 the USA has declared war, or joined / started more conflicts than the USSR and China put together.
That's in history books, not Wikipedia.

Israel was allowed to exist because the UK had no way (nor any desire) to counter Stern and other terrorist groups which ravaged Jordan.
To justify the existence of modern Israel on the gorunds of King David, is like justifying that an Italian Prince should be King of Jerusalem, or that an English Prince should rule over Bordeaux...
...or that the US should get out of Georgia and give it back to the Seminoles.

Please be informed that Zionism was more than wishful thinking for peace-loving jews, it was a political theory which used, in the 1920s and 1930s, the same guerrilla tactics later used by Sendero Luminoso in 1970s South America, just to name one.
Israel, historically speaking, is an artificial nation, created by a stroke of the pen in the UN and populated by imported immigrants.

Now, IRAN...

Again, look at history books: "Persia" of old was at perennial war with Greece - so the Greeks say, but in reality Persia of old was the one most stable empire in the world in those days.
Alexander the Great's Empire, by contrast, dissolved at his death.
Persia was successfully independent and never expanded dangerously east nor west - to the east, the Chinese and Moghul Empires, to the westm, the Caliphates (not THOSE guys were expansionints, they got all the way to Spain and were stopped at Poitiers) and the Byzantine Roman Empire of the East.

In these last 500 years, Persia has more or less minded its own business, relatively speaking, while England, Spain, France, Portugal and the Netherlands all raced for worldwide conquest.

All in all, Ahmedinejad is just like your neighbor's noisy dog, he will bark at everybody but is rarely seen outside his own fence.

As for Iran's nukes.. anybody care to justify why Israel CAN have nukes and CAN fly & bomb foreign plants (aka war), but Iran can't build its own reactor?

Unsightly as it may seem, the situation is extremely lopsided.
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Reply #35 - 09/14/10 at 01:33:38
 
Starlifter wrote on 09/13/10 at 10:09:37:
They knew...

They let it happen

They used it to go for the Iraqi oil

May they rot in Hell!


Both the Mossad and MI6 informed the CIA that OBL was in the Sudan in 2000, but the CIA replied they weren't interested.
Then he was in Somalia, but they left him alone.
Then, 9/11, and all hell broke loose.

Now, for the spoils of war.

I'll omit any comment on Iraqi oil, which is NOT metered (i.e., nobody knows how many wells work, how much oil is pulled, and how much is sold to whom)

Afghanistan has teh world's largest deposits of lithium.

What is lithium ? It's an extremely rare metal used to make... everlasting miniaturized batteries, like those in PCs, cellphonnes, hearing aids, pacemakers and military "sleeper" technology.

Now, ain't dat sumpin ?  Huh
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Reply #36 - 09/14/10 at 14:34:54
 
"They knew...

They let it happen

They used it to go for the Iraqi oil

May they rot in Hell! "

You're right- they scammed us for money, oil, power Sad
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Reply #37 - 09/14/10 at 23:08:57
 
Israel is a functioning society with elected representatives.  Iran is not. Do not even think about taking the moral equivalency route, it's a dead end.
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Reply #38 - 09/15/10 at 02:50:29
 
You guysare killing your own argument. Might as well try to solder a gas tank with a 30 wattiron.The fuelwasnt sufficient to het the metal, the fires werent that hot, spend some time looking at it.        

I KNOW it wasnt one solid peiece of steel. Now,STOP & THINK..It collapsed symmetrically & it was HOWtall? Have you ever seen anything so tall fail & NOT fall over.

The "I just cant believe they would do that" argument makes your opinion useless. You STATE you will not allow yourself to see the truth.



The 9/11 commission MEMBERS have stated it was a cover up, okay?  


Hitler burned the Reichstagg.

Understand what a False FlagAttack is or remain naive.
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Reply #39 - 09/15/10 at 06:36:06
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/10 at 23:08:57:
Israel is a functioning society with elected representatives.  Iran is not. Do not even think about taking the moral equivalency route, it's a dead end.


"BS" means many things in many different languages.

It may mean "Brescia", one of Italy's most ancient cities;
OR
it may be a 3rd party media player for MSWindows
OR
it may be the British Standards Institute - the one which determines what a "1/8th inch UNF" wrench should be like
OR
it may mean "Sir, I beg to differ, your opinion tantamounts to manure"

You see, Iran is a Constitutional Republic, the only point is, the highest grade politicians are all religiuos clerics.
So, they may have rather radical points of view, but they will disagree and fight each other, as the link below graciopusly shows.
http://www.payvand.com/news/10/jul/1279.html

Your call.

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Reply #40 - 09/15/10 at 08:19:11
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/14/10 at 23:08:57:
Israel is a functioning society with elected representatives.  Iran is not. Do not even think about taking the moral equivalency route, it's a dead end.

The USA is a functioning society with elected representatives,The only problem I don't know who they represent.
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Reply #41 - 09/15/10 at 08:27:38
 
I guess you guys think Iran is some backwards nation.YOushould see the cities there.Its beautiful.
Iran took hostages back in the 70s?because we had been over there messing with their govt. Otherwise, Iran is a peaceful nation. The
"Wipe Israeloff themap" quote was a LIE. Spend some time looking into it.

What? You havent seen enough LIES yet to ber willingto believe its possible,no,LIKELY, that we would be lied to in ordertocreate an opinion in theminds of the people that Iran is a threat? They WANT us to want them to attack Iran,, wake up.
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Reply #42 - 09/15/10 at 08:29:36
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/15/10 at 08:27:38:
I guess you guys think Iran is some backwards nation.YOushould see the cities there.Its beautiful.
Iran took hostages back in the 70s?because we had been over there messing with their govt. Otherwise, Iran is a peaceful nation. The
"Wipe Israeloff themap" quote was a LIE. Spend some time looking into it.

What? You havent seen enough LIES yet to ber willingto believe its possible,no,LIKELY, that we would be lied to in ordertocreate an opinion in theminds of the people that Iran is a threat? They WANT us to want them to attack Iran,, wake up.

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Reply #43 - 09/15/10 at 10:20:47
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/15/10 at 02:50:29:
I KNOW it wasnt one solid peiece of steel. Now,STOP & THINK..It collapsed symmetrically & it was HOWtall? Have you ever seen anything so tall fail & NOT fall over.
Understand what a False FlagAttack is or remain naive.


So,... they plotted and carried out a synchronized, four piece attack, killing 3,000 people, and billions or trillions of dollars of damage, but said... "Let's be neat about it.  Let's do a controlled demolition, and make the building fall straight down"... "... and let's blow building 7 up too, even without having a plane hit it, 'cause no one will notice"...
...."but, be tidy"....

I watched a TV program on controlled demolition, and they have to strip walls out, drill into pillars, loosen beams, run many hundreds of feet of wire... they don't just put a couple bombs in there... they have to pack explosives tightly up against beams, and place concrete blast barriers up against the charges to direct the blast...
...and nobody going to work in the twin towers that day noticed these exposed beams, and missing walls, and wires?...
... or the 2700 dead are all fake, or suicidal conspirators?...



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Reply #44 - 09/15/10 at 11:38:10
 
Serowbot -

You and I respectfully disagree from time to time, but we're together on this one.

Anyone who truly feels that this conspiracy theory holds water is a nutcase, plain and simple.

The fires ran down because the terrorists chose to use Boeing 767ER airplanes.  They did their homework.  While the pilots among them certainly weren't officially rated for the 767, all they had to do was fly one well enough to steer it, at a high cruise speed, into the building somewhere near the top 1/3 of the structure.  That ain't all that hard to do.  I could train any of you to do that within about 10 hours of flying instruction time.  Also, they picked a day with absolutely perfect weather, when the visibility all along the eastern U.S. was unrestricted, making the Twin Towers very easy to spot from about 40 miles away.

ER stands for Extended Range - this version of the 767 carrys tens of thousands of gallons of fuel and has a range exceeding 4,000 miles.  It is frequently used on transoceanic routes.

The airplanes were all transcontinental flights, bound for California from the East Coast.  They were full of fuel.

Sorry, Bill - Jet fuel isn't gasoline.  It doesn't burn quickly; rather it's chemically very close to kerosene, and burns slowly.  As the burning fuel from the airplanes ran down thru the buildings, it caused fires many, many floors down from the floors where the airplanes actually impacted.  Sheets of flame and fire from the burning fuel rained down maybe 30 floors, or more, from the impact site.

Conspiracy theorists amaze me - anything to "trash" our country is in vogue these days, I guess.  I don't know whether to pity them, or get really angry at them.
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