I am totally amazed that this Topic has gone on for 5 pages!

Anyhoo, whether or not Saddam actually had WMD's in 2001 ("NOT" IMHO ... ) had NOTHING to do with the events of Sept. 11th, 2001 AT THE TIME THOSE EVENTS HAPPENED! The WMD "excuse" for the invasion of Iraq was cooked up afterwards. There is NO conspiracy surrounding 9/11 ... Islamic Terror networks designed and orchestrated the attacks which may or may not have been carried out "exactly" to plan (NOT occording to the plane that was brought down in Pennsylvania). The Western World (USA in particular) were largely taken unawares that morning outside of some possible "rumblings" within the Intelligence Community ...

EDIT: Would like to add, that in reality, there is very little difference between the the surprize attacks of 9/11 and that perputrated by the Japanese on Dec. 7th, 1941 ... only that Pearl Harbour attack was carried out by a soverign government, a known and visible enemy upon which a formal declaration of war could be made, as opposed to the Islamic Terrorists who are largely unknown and officially not represented by any soverign governement ... an enemy of ghosts and shadows ... much harder to fight with a clear objective IMHO ...

Na,... I've learned to type without using my brain at all...
...but, my lips do get tired.... ...

I would say because those countries mine their own business.

Star;
Evil always recognizes Good and lashes out at it. Always.
That's why we, the US, are attacked.
We are a force for Good in this world and Islamic Terrorist are the opposite. It's no more complicated than that.

WebsterMark wrote on 09/16/10 at 18:08:55:


WMark, seriously, I do not see white dove wings on the backs of your GIs, nor do I see fiery eyes and swords of flame.

You must be listening far too much to your local TV Preacher and reading far too little international news.

You sound so very much like that guy who insisted "God is with us"

Now, the problem lies with this very statement, I am ready to challenge you AND your TV Preacher that God is not with you, nor with him,
nor with anybody who calls out his name to say "I will wage war, you're with me, right?"

He will not.

If you read the Lord's Prayer (the one they made you memorize in Sunday School, the one which zillions of people will mumble without really thinking what the words say)
you will notice the Prayer says "give us this day our daily bread" - just the bread, not the gravy, not the Sloppy Joe, just the bare bread;
you will notice it says "forgive us our trespasses just as we forgive those who trespass against us"

I have not seen much forgiveness in the most animated TV Preachers, quite the opposite.
THEY PREACH TO HATE AND DESPISE AND THE "HOLIER THAN THOU" ATTITUDE
and this is not good at all.

"We are a force for Good in this world " Go ask the Navajo or the Seminoles - or Hawaii, for that matter, what happened to Queen Liliukalai ?
She was "canned" by Dole, the pineapple magnate, and overthrown.


Just relax, and smile to your neighbor, regardless of the style of beard on his chin.

JOG -

Yep, we have put little guys in power in little places to preserve our national interests, and I hope we continue to do so.

Problem is, those little guys get swelled egos, then they think their little peanut places all of a sudden need to have some muscle to flex and to do that, they turn against us.

Then the whole cycle starts over and we have to install a new guy who stays loyal for a few years or a couple of decades until his head swells.  This hasn't changed since the Romans installed puppet governors in provinces once they had conquered various places.  King Herod of Judea was such a Roman puppet - the Romans knew how to keep the conquered in check - let them think they still had their own governments and power structures in place, when the reality was that the strings were pulled in Rome.

I certainly hope that my national gov't is looking out for our national interests - that's the essence of international politics.

Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 09/17/10 at 06:58:09:


so you want america, the democracy that is supposed to be the best in the world, to continue empirical practices??