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Reply #180 - 11/08/10 at 06:44:52

bill67 wrote on 11/08/10 at 06:12:21:

Once you drain it theirs still oil on the motor parts.I do my cars and trucks the same way.If your oil want hold up for 5-10 seconds your must be using cheap oil.

I dont like the lack of oil pressure protecting the journals when I change oil & start an engine. I sure dont plan on running it w/o oil in it. Whats the point? Whats to be gained? No oil in the pan to feed the pump, not exactly gonna pump oil into places. Just gonna get those last drops out? You think those few drops of oil will wear the engine More than running it with no oil?

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: oil level in window Reply #181 - 11/08/10 at 08:29:16 Those last drops are more like a shot glass of oil. CAUTION Not recommended if you use diesel oil.
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Reply #182 - 11/08/10 at 08:41:31

Yeah, you spend your 5 seconds cranking empty with no oil pressure just to intentionally empty out all the oil galleries (that's your shot glass) .....

..... then you spend an additional 10-20 seconds at first post change start up sucking at air with the oil pump gears and then finally pushing some light froth up into your galleries and to the head ....

..... mebbe 30 seconds to a minute until you can actually get some real solid oil up to the cam bearings (the air froth fills the pipeline and must be processed through the cam bearings to get it out of the way).

Great idea there Bill, good thing that you only actually ever do it ever 5.68 years!

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: oil level in window Reply #183 - 11/08/10 at 08:48:25 OF if you oil bicycle wheel bearing do you stop every block to re oil them because the oil is gone.
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Reply #184 - 11/08/10 at 09:23:37

HeeHee, I'm beginning to, OF. I would never run my engine with no oil just for a shotglassfull. Having been in the auto repair business for 23 years, when we do an oil change, we pull the plug and filter and let it drain down to a slow drip-drip-drip. Plug in, filter on, fill 'er up and go. 9 out of 10 cars that just had the oil changed, that oil is black on the dipstick within a mile. (New cars excluded) It's the nature of the beast. On the bike, I know in my mind, that between 2.2 and 2.5 quarts of oil has been changed. I'm not gonna worry about 1 shotglassfull of old oil mixing with the new stuff. That's just plain rediculous.

Wow, 13 pages-who would have thought a simple question about changing oil would lead to that?

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Reply #185 - 11/08/10 at 09:30:56

Drums, we are all bored and idle, and we do this all winter long until we can ride again.

Did you get my PM about your old starter motor?

Bill, my bicycle when I was a kid was a Murray 3-speed "shift in hub" narrow English tire fast type that used stiff axle grease on the front wheel bearings and had a reservoir drum in the center of the rear wheel that you punka punka'd full of 30 weight oil from yer daddys flex hose tipped maintenance oil can. It had felt and rubber seals that kept the oil in the hub where it did its job inside the 3 speed hub transmission.

Mine worked fine and I did normal routine maintenance on chains and tires with my buddies every week or so when somebody had a flat tire or a breakdown of some kind. Working together we could flip a bike upside down and have a tire off, torn down, patched and back in motion inside half an hour.

While this was going on, everybody flipped his bike and tightened and lubed his chain and checked his brakes and adjusted his shifter lever for clean 1-2-3 shifting. Spokes and wheel truing, yeah we did them too, but not very often.

We generally patched all our tires at an uncle's gas station, he had a dip tank, rollers, glue and patches -- patches were 10 cents each and nobody ever replaced a tube, we jest patched them endlessly. Got right good at it too. I remember collecting pop bottles for the 2cent deposit to buy the patch too.

We wuz kinda poor, but never really knew it ... everybody was kinda poor back then, so it was normal. We rode our bikes everywhere -- 15-20 miles out and back wasn't all that unusual if there was a reason to go there. We had parts bikes out behind our house that we pillaged for pieces, even made whole bikes up from junk at times.

I had a bowie knife, a hatchet, a BB gun and a bicycle -- I was fully equipped.

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Re: oil level in window
Reply #186 - 11/08/10 at 10:08:52

drums1 wrote on 11/08/10 at 09:23:37:

HeeHee, I'm beginning to, OF. I would never run my engine with no oil just for a shotglassfull. Having been in the auto repair business for 23 years, when we do an oil change, we pull the plug and filter and let it drain down to a slow drip-drip-drip. Plug in, filter on, fill 'er up and go. 9 out of 10 cars that just had the oil changed, that oil is black on the dipstick within a mile. (New cars excluded) It's the nature of the beast. On the bike, I know in my mind, that between 2.2 and 2.5 quarts of oil has been changed. I'm not gonna worry about 1 shotglassfull of old oil mixing with the new stuff. That's just plain rediculous.

Wow, 13 pages-who would have thought a simple question about changing oil would lead to that?

Drum 1 that old is black because there was oil left in the car,Start it up and get rid of the contaminated oil.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29692 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: oil level in window Reply #187 - 11/08/10 at 10:15:13 You leave the shotglass of old oil in, so it colors the new oil, and makes it easier to see in the sightglass... ... Very important... ...
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: oil level in window Reply #188 - 11/08/10 at 10:58:03 Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 11/08/10 at 09:30:56: Drums, we are all bored at idle Thats why we Wick IT!
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Re: oil level in window
Reply #189 - 11/08/10 at 11:58:55

drums1 wrote on 11/07/10 at 08:14:28:

One quick question and I'm done. How many posts and years of riding does it take until you are no longer considered a "newbie"???????????
Apparently, 10,000 miles and 3 1/2 years isn't enough to satisfy some.

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drums, 3-1/2 years a member and less than 200 posts? You don't "talk" with your fingers enough...... Grin

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Reply #190 - 11/08/10 at 12:19:59

Yes, OF, see reply.

Sorry Babyhog, I usually try to limit my posts to what I know I'm talking about. Unless, of course, I stumble aimlessly into the middle of a good-natured debate. And most of the summer, I'm too busy riding to type. But I'll work on it this winter. Now that you mention it, I do see a lot of 5-star folks around here. How many posts to achieve 4 stars?

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: oil level in window Reply #191 - 11/08/10 at 12:31:59 You got 199 maybe its 200,I really don't know.
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drums1 Serious Thumper Offline '87 Savage Bashed--Down for the count Posts: 664 Racine, Wisconsin Gender:	Re: oil level in window Reply #192 - 11/08/10 at 12:33:49 Well, here's 200.....let's see what happens.....
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drums1 Serious Thumper Offline '87 Savage Bashed--Down for the count Posts: 664 Racine, Wisconsin Gender:	Re: oil level in window Reply #193 - 11/08/10 at 12:34:27 Dammit, must be 500...oh well.
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Routy Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2280 Winston Oregon Gender:	Re: oil level in window Reply #194 - 11/08/10 at 18:02:27 I just got in on the "purposely running an engine w/o oil", and I really did not believe it. There is only one thing to say about it,........... it is now officially OPEN SEASON ON BILL!
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