I thought Mick was a gun owner?

I was reading something in one of my gun magazines, forget which one, about a Uni Professor teaching a 2A class. One of the students said something to the effect of "wouldn't the world be a far better place if there were no guns at all?" The professor, and ex-marine a highly trained self defense expert, walked up to a young lady sitting in the first row, just enough to get into her personal space, and said "If I wanted to , I could take this girl for myself and none of you could do anything about it." After the shock wore off, he said "Now, if she had a .38 special, it would be even." Not verbatim, just what I remember, but you get the point.

A crazy lunatic rapist breaks into a home with Mom and children, the woman would have a way better chance of defending herself with a firearm. "God may have made men, but Samuel Colt made them equal"

photojoe FSO wrote on 01/11/11 at 10:29:15:

Yes I own several guns. what is that supossed to mean ?
I own guns because most crooks and other people own them.
if they didn't ,I wouldn't . does that make sense to you ?

[quote author=363238302F333E3732363E225B0 link=1294668877/15#17 date=1294770914]photojoe FSO wrote on 01/11/11 at 10:29:15:


Yes, it makes perfect sense to me. I took your "no guns" comment out of context. My apologies.

So I googled walmart shooting and got 2 and half million hits.
Then narrowed it down to wisconsen and it dropped to 1 million.
2 die brings it down to 400,000

It appears some take their shopping very seriously, especially in WI.

[quote author=31292E352E2B2E410 link=1294668877/15#19 date=1294771082]mick wrote on 01/11/11 at 10:35:14:


I also understand what you are saying now, but I still believe I mis-interpreted your comment correctly.  
Yes, you are right, if there literally were no guns, there would be no shooting, but you know that isn't realistic.  So we should be prepared.

And bill, you should invest in baseball bats instead.

Theres an old saying, "A armed society is a polite society".

If everyone knows most carry, their going to be a lot nicer to each other because they KNOW if they do something stupid they may well get shot.
The problem stems from the fact that shooters KNOW the likliehod of anyone haveing a firearm to stop them is remote.
Ask any criminal(burgler, car jacker, rapist) about them chooseing their targets.(and yes this has been done several time in studies).
If they THINK their target may well be armed they move on to an easier target. They don't want to get shot.
On that note even if you toss ALL types of shootings into one big group, your more likely to die in the bathtub takeing a shower after slipping then being shot. Or die from a doctors incomitance in the hospital.

No guns? Then some psycho with mental problems will just walk into a crowd with some molotov cocktails or pipe bombs. How many would he of injured or killed with just a couple of large knives?
Large capacity mags the problem? Anyone familiar with their firearm can do a mag swap(regardless of size) in 2-3 seconds easy.

Its NOT the item at fault, its the person. Someone wants to kill someone or many someones their going to find a way.
Theres to many gun laws now. What we need are TOUGHER laws on those useing a gun in a crime.
Do away with life in prison and make it a death penalty instead. Bring back courthouse lawn hangings in public. I garuntee a LOT of the nonsense that goes on now would stop. It used to scare the crap out of the bad guys, the fear of hanging in public.

Banning guns, even ALL guns in the US wont make us safer. It will only make us ALL sheep for the slaughter. And a huge market for gun runners. Only the criminals would have guns and their NOT worried about CCW Laws, legaly obtaining them ect. They got em already or can get them.
Concealed carry and the right to bear arms DOES make us safer.
It insures our rights in the constitution as well....which our forefathers intended.

This kid was NUTS, they said even his classmates knew something was wrong with him...but no one made a call that would of got him investigated. The old 'I dont want to get involved syndrom'.
He had a bone in his teeth for this gal for a LONG time.
Gun, knife, bomb, he was going to do something regardless of the item used.

Think about this, what if he had used his car? How many dead and injured. Would we be hearing the same rhetoric about more CAR laws? How their obtained, horsepower?
If a couple of people had been legaly carrying in the crowd how many fewer people would he of shot?? Answer me that??

Cops themselves will tell you their not there to STOP crime, their there to clean up after the fact and try to catch the perpetrators.
And i STILL wonder where her security was at and how he got close enough to walk up and shoot her in the BACK of the head??

This guy was a Fracking NUT JOB! He was going to do something regardless of what he used.

Even so Wolfman I think the stats will tell you that there are way more gun murders here than any place in the world.
I do mean the so called civilized world. Those wacko country's in Africa don't count.

Actualy mick your wrong. Gun murders are big news, you hear about them. News usualy keeps reporting on them dor DAYS. Do a lil research and compare gun murders to stabbings in paticular. Strangling, beating to death ect.

One in paticular you can look at is russia, not a third world country. Their gun laws are MUCH MUCH more restricitve the the US. Their murder rate is also MUCH higher then ours.
Mexico is another. Try owning a gun legaly there as a civilian. Cuba??

You'll find the gun nuts here toss out how many guns we have in the US then give you the total number of SHOOTINGS. They don't mention how many are murders, how many are self inflicted and how many are in SELF DEFENSE. They just give you the total and dont compare them to how many are killed with just a knife for instance. Your more likely to be stabbed or beaten then shot here.

I know the stats. Ive been a life long gun owner, 50 years, and a hunter safety and firearms instructor for the state for 15 years.
Im a firm beleiver that if more folks went legaly armed and kept a gun in the home(and knew how to use it) the crime rates would be much lower. Murders, rapes, robberies. Who wants to get shot for a pieace of arse or some jewely or cash??