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Reply #15 - 05/16/11 at 21:56:27

kimchris, I don't believe any question is dumb. That's how we learn. I just get riled lately, because it seems everbody in the world is leaning toward the educated, elitist explanation for everything. It's sorta like when schools just teach the answers to the test so everyone can have good grades. Theory is fine, but crap, someday you have to go out and prove it. I am all for new riders, but booklearning will only get you so far when conditions suddenly change. That's when we need critical thinking. No offense meant to you kimchris. I think you know me well enough to see that. Boofer

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Reply #16 - 05/16/11 at 22:59:26

No offense taken Boofer..
I agree with you in fact.
After being out of the saddle
for 10 months, my confidence
was greatly shaken. Their is
no book that could bring that
back for me.
I have had to get out there and
ride. I have had to lean to ride
thru situations, that I used to do
like it was second nature.
I am determined to gain all of that
and more back. Each time I ride I feel
I am regaining more and more, yet I
won't let myself get over confident.
However, had I not taken the course
and had some of that knowledge to
fall back on, I may not have stuck it
out either.
Thanks for your input on this topic.
I appreciate your input and again
did not think you meant me any
offense..Hugs, Kiss

kim

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: cornering techniques Reply #17 - 05/17/11 at 04:26:24 How do you counter steer a bicycle when your riding no handed.40 years riding I don't do the counter steer.That a good way to crash when something happens quick.The best way to ride a motorcycle is to learn yourself not someone telling you how.Who told you how to walk when you learned to walk.
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kimchris1 Serious Thumper Offline Pink Posse Rider... Posts: 2135 Belfair, Washington Gender:	Re: cornering techniques Reply #18 - 05/17/11 at 08:15:01 Bill, I get what your saying. However, having people around you, showing, teaching what they know is not going to hurt.
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: cornering techniques Reply #19 - 05/17/11 at 08:34:50 Kim did you ever go around a corner on a bicycle with out touching the handle bars,If you did would told you how to do it.
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kimchris1 Serious Thumper Offline Pink Posse Rider... Posts: 2135 Belfair, Washington Gender:	Re: cornering techniques Reply #20 - 05/17/11 at 09:05:11 I was fortunate to have an older brother that showed me how he did it. I learned by watching him, then a lil bit at a time till I prefected it myself. Again thru practice I learned.. kim
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Reply #21 - 05/17/11 at 09:09:22

Its still counter steering, we've always done it, somebody just gave it a name.

And bill, you don't necessarily counter steer a bicycle, because counter steering only happens at higher speeds. Unless you are riding a bicycle over 25-30 mph, you probably don't counter steer it. And I certainly wouldn't want to round a corner on a bicycle at 30 mph with no hands. (probably did it in my younger days though! lol)

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Reply #22 - 05/17/11 at 09:19:43

Countersteering is like electricity, ... you can't see it, but once you know it's there, you can put it to use...

I'm going to work up a layman's explanation of the physics involved, once I get some time.
Just for you, Bill...

Basically,.. countersteering must happen in order for a single track vehicle to turn.
... and it has to do with overcoming gyroscopic inertia, and your front tire having a convex profile.
If it didn't, and the tread were perfectly flat,.. a bike would not turn. Leaning would simply make you fall over...
Bummer!... Huh

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: cornering techniques Reply #23 - 05/17/11 at 10:20:57 How can you be pushing the handlebars when your not touching them,I read on a Honda page that there are 5 ways to steer a bike,I use 2 of them leaning and pushing on the foot pegs.
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Reply #24 - 05/17/11 at 11:34:12

Bill,.. more correctly, the Honda page should say,.. "5 ways to induce countersteer"...
You do this, by leaning and pushing with your feet... but, using your arms is quicker.
...and being able to avoid hazards more quickly is a worthy goal...

The proof of this is that a bicycle or motorcycle with a fixed steering head will not turn, no matter how hard you lean.
Also, incredibly,.. if a bike has a steering head that will allow the wheel turn from straight ahead to right, but not to the left at all... it still won't turn... because, it must first turn left to induce countersteer before going right...
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Reply #25 - 05/17/11 at 11:44:21

If your want to lean right on a curve you can lean a little to the left and then to the right it will lean over easier. I think why so many people on here and that have taken the riders course have crashed is because when they get in a hard situation they push on the wrong side of the handle bar,When you steer by leaning you just lean the way you want to go,Its much quicker and safer.I've tried pushing on the handle bars to turn really feels unsafe to me.

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: cornering techniques Reply #26 - 05/17/11 at 11:50:03 Also when you lean to the right your automatically are putting pressure on the right handle bar even though your not pushing it.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29287 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: cornering techniques Reply #27 - 05/17/11 at 11:54:38 bill67 wrote on 05/17/11 at 11:50:03: Also when you lean to the right your automatically are putting pressure on the right handle bar even though your not pushing it. very likely true... ...
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: cornering techniques Reply #28 - 05/17/11 at 11:57:47 Very likely true my a$$ it is true
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29287 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: cornering techniques Reply #29 - 05/17/11 at 12:06:05 true... ...
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