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Reply #210 - 11/29/11 at 05:54:35

Gyrobob wrote on 11/28/11 at 21:33:56:

Do you have any pics showing how you routed all the wiring?

It ain't pretty, but here it is. I was more concerned with tucking things out of sight than making the unseen stuff look good. I've shortened the wiring from the controls and run some new ones for a high beam light in the headlight bucket, a horn in the tail, and power for the gauge lights.

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Reply #211 - 11/29/11 at 06:46:09

Thanks LARGE!! That is exactly what I need! This probably saves a whole evening (two if you consider I'm doing two RYCAs).

How close does the tank come to the coil? These two bikes have a 1/4" variation between them on the coil mounting holes. (Apparently the statements about lack of precision on the Suzuki production line are true) It looks from your pics like the coil is actually touching the tank mount rubber.

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Reply #212 - 11/29/11 at 07:17:32

It takes some extra struggling to get the tank on past the coil the way it is now. I'm going to see if there's room to be had between the back if the coil and the frame. If so, I'll shorten the hexagonal standoff thingy. About 1/8" would help.

Update: There was still space between the coil and frame, so I ground down the standoff. It does help.

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arteacher Serious Thumper Offline Ride as if your naked and invisable! Posts: 2581 London ontario Gender:	Re: The Project: Phase 4 Reply #213 - 11/29/11 at 07:55:25 The coil on my bike is on the left side.
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MotoBuddha Serious Thumper Offline Let's roll! Posts: 1416 Charlotte, NC	Re: The Project: Phase 4 Reply #214 - 11/29/11 at 08:12:19 arteacher wrote on 11/29/11 at 07:55:25: The coil on my bike is on the left side. That's the stock location, but as part of the Ryca conversion, it get's moved to the right side. That because of the way the tank and mounts get modified.
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arteacher Serious Thumper Offline Ride as if your naked and invisable! Posts: 2581 London ontario Gender:	Re: The Project: Phase 4 Reply #215 - 11/29/11 at 10:17:28 From following this and other Ryca threads it seems to me that this is a "we supply the parts and you make 'em fit" kind of kit. For what they charge you should be able to bolt it together without all the hassles you guys are having.
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Reply #216 - 11/29/11 at 10:30:03

I haven't had any problems with the Ryca parts, except the way the battery box and supplied air filter don't really work together. The tank, seat and all the other parts work perfectly, once you get over any individual lack of understanding and skills.

The thing is, there are slight variations between the bikes as Suzuki builds them. For example, the wiring harness has changed several times and there have been two different sets of bars, which means different length wires. And there is sloppiness in frame tab locations.

I think solving little problems adds to the challenges and fun of working on a project.

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Reply #217 - 11/29/11 at 16:23:02

MotoBuddha wrote on 11/29/11 at 10:30:03:

I haven't had any problems with the Ryca parts, except the way the battery box and supplied air filter don't really work together. The tank, seat and all the other parts work perfectly, once you get over any individual lack of understanding and skills.

The thing is, there are slight variations between the bikes as Suzuki builds them. For example, the wiring harness has changed several times and there have been two different sets of bars, which means different length wires. And there is sloppiness in frame tab locations.

I think solving little problems adds to the challenges and fun of working on a project.

agreed buddha. I am getting tired of these people posting comments implying that the bike should just bolt together. We are talking about a bike that has been produced for 15 years or so (maybe more or less) but obviously tooling and tolerances are going to change from year to year. RYCAs instructions are good, their videos are good. I have posted this before- if you feel like it should just bolt together in an evening, then maybe you should pay the $500 to have RYCA put it together for you, because you probably shouldn't be doing the conversion anyways.

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arteacher Serious Thumper Offline Ride as if your naked and invisable! Posts: 2581 London ontario Gender:	Re: The Project: Phase 4 Reply #218 - 11/30/11 at 06:00:26 Thanks for your polite reply, Buddha. Sbaugz, I don't recall seeing a whole lot of posts (or any) complaining about the difficulty of building the kit, so you must tire easily. I have no interest in building one myself, or having Ryca build one as I think they are very pretty, (especially Buddha's), and very impractical.
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Reply #219 - 11/30/11 at 18:50:07

arteacher wrote on 11/30/11 at 06:00:26:

Thanks for your polite reply, Buddha.
Sbaugz, I don't recall seeing a whole lot of posts (or any) complaining about the difficulty of building the kit, so you must tire easily. Wink

I have no interest in building one myself, or having Ryca build one as I think they are very pretty, (especially Buddha's), and very impractical.

impractical sums it up for sure. uncomfortable is a good description too. but its also darn cool and gets tons of comments while riding it.

And sorry to disagree, but over the past several months I have read lots and lots of posts here complaining about the RYCA build not being a simple bolt and go job.

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Reply #220 - 11/30/11 at 19:46:05

sbaugz wrote on 11/30/11 at 18:50:07:

arteacher wrote on 11/30/11 at 06:00:26:

Thanks for your polite reply, Buddha.
Sbaugz, I don't recall seeing a whole lot of posts (or any) complaining about the difficulty of building the kit, so you must tire easily. Wink

I have no interest in building one myself, or having Ryca build one as I think they are very pretty, (especially Buddha's), and very impractical.

impractical sums it up for sure. uncomfortable is a good description too. but its also darn cool and gets tons of comments while riding it.

And sorry to disagree, but over the past several months I have read lots and lots of posts here complaining about the RYCA build not being a simple bolt and go job.

I have mixed emotions about this,... well, let's say several thoughts.
-- The kit is not as well thought out or manufactured as it should have been.
-- That said, it is a pretty good effort for a couple of kids in California that bit off way more than they could chew.
-- I was kidding myself when I let Ryan bu***hit me into believing an LS650 could be transformed into a CS-1 in a few weekends.
-- If he would have said up front something like, "We'll give you 95% of the pieces you'll need to put the thing together, and most of those pieces will require "minor fitting" (yeah right)".... "Oh, and you might have a few safety issues and legal issues to handle, if you feel like it." (spokes bent, smog problems) I probably would have done it anyway.
-- My main complaint is with myself. I just should have had my eyes wider open. The bike is so cool, and I have always had an optimism about these kinds of projects (building gyrocopters, hot rods, engine swaps, etc.). In each of those projects I end up with the same feeling,.. jeeez, I shoulda known.

In a few weeks ours will be done, and we'll be glad. I can't wait to take it to places where there will be folks that'll know it is something special.

Impractical schmactical!! Who cares?! You don't get involved with a bike like this if it is your only transportation, or if you ever think you're going use it to bring back a sack of quickrete from Home Depot. Bringing up the obvious fact a CS-1 is impractical is like flying around in January on an open-framed gyro and complaining about the cold.

Yes it is not a simple bolt and go job. The signs were there; I should have known. With every project I have done like this, the signs were there; I should have known. But I do it anyway! AND,... I'm going to be quite pleased with it, and with myself.

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Reply #221 - 12/01/11 at 09:21:09

Given that this is Buddah's build thread, I think it's worth pointing out that his bike, among any of the other RYCA kit bikes I have seen here, is perfect proof that the kit is simply what you make out of it... Not one of them is the same because every one wants theirs done in their own way.
Sure, it would be cheaper and easier by a mile to just pay the $500 and have it built, but then they would all be the same and that's not the point of doing a project like this at all.
I would have gotten the kit myself, except that my friend who is helping me out is a professional bike builder, and he wanted to do something totally custom from the ground up, based on a lot of Ryca's principles. I could never do that on my own, but the kit, even with its quirks, I think I could handle. Virtually every bike I have owned I have installed aftermarket parts onto, and rarely do they fit like a glove, or exactly like the instructions say, even if they are purpose built for that exact model. It's the nature of the beast, and if you don't want to wrestle with that beast, Ryan is willing to do it for you!

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Reply #222 - 12/01/11 at 09:39:30

teabowl13 wrote on 12/01/11 at 09:21:09:

Given that this is Buddah's build thread, I think it's worth pointing out that his bike, among any of the other RYCA kit bikes I have seen here, is perfect proof that the kit is simply what you make out of it... Not one of them is the same because every one wants theirs done in their own way.
Sure, it would be cheaper and easier by a mile to just pay the $500 and have it built, but then they would all be the same and that's not the point of doing a project like this at all.
I would have gotten the kit myself, except that my friend who is helping me out is a professional bike builder, and he wanted to do something totally custom from the ground up, based on a lot of Ryca's principles. I could never do that on my own, but the kit, even with its quirks, I think I could handle. Virtually every bike I have owned I have installed aftermarket parts onto, and rarely do they fit like a glove, or exactly like the instructions say, even if they are purpose built for that exact model. It's the nature of the beast, and if you don't want to wrestle with that beast, Ryan is willing to do it for you!

well said

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MotoBuddha Serious Thumper Offline Let's roll! Posts: 1416 Charlotte, NC	Re: The Project: Phase 4 Reply #223 - 12/01/11 at 11:00:08 I'd say 90% of the challenges I've had with this project were because of things I wanted to do differently, like the chain conversion. And, like I've said, I enjoy solving problems.
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MotoBuddha Serious Thumper Offline Let's roll! Posts: 1416 Charlotte, NC	Re: The Project: Phase 4 Reply #224 - 12/02/11 at 10:52:26 A little something from across the pond. Now I need to make up my own quasi-official looking art to go in it.
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