Gyrobob wrote on 12/06/11 at 12:40:43:

So Gyro, which Rotella T do you use? Triple? T6? I'm trying to make a good decision here...

 
Folks keep saying that Rot Syn "feels the same",  mainly because it stays right at the same 40w when it gets really hot (does not thin out much at all) and it stays the same when it is really cold (does not thicken much either).

I used to dare people to put some in the freezer at neg 10 degrees or whatever your freezer unit does, then take it out and pour it into a frying pan, then heat it up and pour it back, and do it all over again just to get a feel for how little it changes compared to what normal dino oil does.

That is why I pay the extra bucks for it, because nothing I can do to it with my Savage is gonna matter very much to Rot Syn -- no cooked motor, no jellied oil from cooking it to death nor from trying to crank it on a 7 degree day (should I ever be strange enough in the head to actually try riding on  those very rare very low temp cold mornings).

And indeed, it just gets a little darker over the year plus between changes, it pours out pretty much the same way it poured in over a year ago.

I find it hard to believe there is "Suzuki" oil. Specially nowadays, I bet they buy tankers of Shell, Castroll or god knows what kinda Chinese oil that meets specs and label it Suzuki. If this was some super modern 150HP per liter engine - yup, I'd follow the manual religiously.

 
OK, so Suzuki brand 10w-40 dino based motorcycle oil costs $5.83 a quart,

Nearest equivalent oil discussed was dino based Rotella T white jug 15w-40 at $3.25 a quart.  
(over $2.60 a quart cheaper ????)


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When you start to discuss synthetics, the candidates are Klotz at $12.99 a quart

and Rotella T-6 full synthetic at $5.50 a quart



Nobody is gonna even consider Suzuki dino oil in the same class as the full synthetics (even though it costs more than one of the ones we are talking about).

Now, please remember, every oil listed above has been oil warred to death with performance data collected, except for Suzuki dino oil which got left out at the gate because it costs WAY too much for a dino oil for folks to even consider it.

Well, Bill -- do you think you wanna oil war Suzuki oil at $5.83 a quart against Klotz whupp'n Rotella T-6 synthetic at $5.50 a quart available at Walmarts everywhere?

Rotella T6 already whupped yer favorite Klotz in a full on data collection test so there ain't no point in Klotz vs Rot Syn again.


===========================   BUT ....



Hey Bill, mebbe you could actually win you a Klotz synthetic vs Suzuki dino oil war with data collected type test?

Good news is, if you finally won eventually, all it would prove is that $13 a quart Klotz is better than a good dino oil.

You would still not be as good as Rotella T6 full synthetic, which costs 33 cents less per quart than the Suzuki dino oil that you finally did manage to beat.

 
     I love the way Bill simply refuses to talk to the facts laid before him
.... he knows both Rotella oils are JASO-MA rated and are "motorcycle oils".



.... but if it was a lose-lose contest like he often gets into, I guess I can understand it

Lets go ahead and close this thread, I've come to a conclusion on which oils to try out.

Thanks!

I wonder what the total production capacity of rotella vs klotz is?

 
Indiana Small Business listings show this information:

http://www.manta.com/c/mmfygqc/klotz-synthetic-lubricants



Klotz Synthetic Lubricants Business Information
Business Information
Location Type      Single Location
Annual Revenue      $2.5 to 5 million
Employees             10 to 19 (seasonal?)
                                11 ** current
Years in Business      52
State of Incorporation      Indiana
SIC Code      539901, General Merchandise-Retail
NAICS Code      452990, All Other General Merchandise Stores

Klotz is not listed as an oil refiner or manufacturer at all -- they are listed as "general merchandise-retail" under All Other General Merchandise Stores




                          ......  durn, them nasty ol' data facts smart & sting all bad like, don' they?




Company Contacts
Phone: 260-490-0489, 800-242-0489 (toll free)

   John Klotz, Owner
   John Klotz

   John Klotz Jr, President
   John Klotz Jr

   Jeremy Barnes, IT Executive
   Jeremy Barnes          this guy deserves a raise for keeping the Klotz legend alive (and keeping the Klotz secret secret)

   Joe Horstman, Site Manager
   Joe Horstman