Mitt will not take a stand on anything

didn't he say he'd issue whatever legal executive order he could to kill obamacare and pursue congress to do the rest. Isn't that taking a stand?

Ask Ryan about his plans for Medicare, you get "I won't touch it", but he has already pushed to kill it and go voucher in congress.. WHERE do they STAND?

I don't think that's actually what he said. I think he said the truth which is it's doomed if something doesn't change. Argue what to change all you want, but status quo means death.

Here's the deal.. I am a conservative, I do not owe anything to anyone, bills paid in full, I own my property, my cars, my bikes, and pay all credit cards in full monthly. I live on my life savings, I worked very hard all my life for this, and depend on nothing from the government..
if that's true Retread; why would you be against vouchers for medicare which puts more control in the owners hand? Seems that would fit your mindset. Would you be against some type of Social Security vouchers which again, puts more control into your hands?

And her $200 a month is bankrupting the nation. It’s not  sustainable in its present form. Unfunded liabilities for Medicare and social security are staggering. Obama had a chance to change healthcare by starting slowly with measured steps that went against healthcare executives wishes by opening all states to competitive bids. There are tons of regulations in place paid for by lobbiest that helped to create the nightmare we have in healthcare right now, most of which was started by stupid executives caving to union demands.  

Look at California which is an exact model for Obama. Look at the towns going bankrupt because of ridiculous pension liabilities. I simply don’t understand what you guys don’t get?! We cannot keep doing what we’re doing? It doesn’t work. California raised taxes like you guys want to do and I just read today tax revenue for the month of July is 35% lower than what they planned. 35%! They are screwed.

Obama cut waste! Oh please, that’s the biggest line of BS every president uses. Obama is not cutting waste, he’s cutting payments to providers. They will in turn cut services to customers. Simple formula. Obama will then blame them for being greedy. Again, simple liberal class warfare formula.

 There ya go, blaming Unions for all your healthcare woes.. Come on, only 12% of all healthcare workers are Union.. Let me tell you what the problem with healthcare is, INSURANCE, Medicaid, and no pays.. You need first to examine a billing dept in a major hospital, they have to deal with 100's of insurance companys a day, different policys, coverages, and services, some coded, some limited, and some out of coverage. The process is overbearing and un needed..

 Medicaid, these people do not pay anything, most are on welfare, go directly to the emergency rooms for their hangnails, stuffy noses, and headaches.

 Medicare, a good idea until the lobbyists got ahold of it, they basically pawned off a big chunk of it to insurance, now you have the same worries as regular insurance ripoffs..

  The real answer to it all is socialized medicine, everybody pays, even the ones on welfare, it comes out of their checks.. Simplify, you want a appendectomy, the doctors and hospital get one fee for that, not what they can get away with from a insurance company.. One place to bill.. Look at Canada, look at some other examples, Tiawan..

I don't want to raise taxes on middle class and poor, I do want to level this nation out, and that does take a little off the top to do it! It has nothing to do with class warfare (The rich won), it has to do with 40% of this nations wealth being held by 600 people.. These people have more money than they will ever spend in their lifetimes, in their childrens lifetimes, in their grand childrens lifetimes! If I was one of these people I would be willing to give back to a nation that has afforded me such luxury..

  Ridiculous pension liabilitys? You know that it took two partys to sign off on these? When one of those partys could give a crap what happens after they leave office? What happens then? You have to look at where the problem started, it wasn't started by the poor working slob, it was started by politicians who wanted to make everybody happy, then leave the mess for the next one..

   Cutting payments to providers has to be done. I witnessed my Mother being billed for many services she never recieved, I also witnessed medicare and medicaid being billed AFTER she passed away! Doctors and hospitals now know how to get around medicare to suck more from the system, un needed testing, creative billing, scam artists, and even relatives sucking from the elderly.. Class warfare? Nope just common sense.

     Its a sore spot for me.. My mother worked all her life, her and my father worked hard to have a meager savings. They never asked anything from their government, Dad was retired Navy, Mom was a nurse who worked in every shithole around the world.. When my Mother had to go into a nursing home, she had to surrender her life savings to the home before she could be admitted!! Is that what America is about??  

   

No web, you have it wrong.. No one is trying to "Mooch" anything, the government is just trying to pay bills due from two wars, and TAX CUTS given to the rich. And if you think these people got rich by giving money away?

 Most of the rich right now do not contribute, do not work, they make money, with money.. All through investments and manipulation of markets. They have armys of lawyers to find tax loopholes and places to hide money.. Their fair share? Really? So I paid 27% in income taxes last year, Romney paid 15%... Thats fair? Your math is fuzzy at best... You are trying to make me feel sorry for him cause he paid a couple million and I only paid a couple thousand? Nope, aint gonna happen..

  The real world is not based on "Atlas Shrugged" it is a piece of fiction..
The real world is myself and my daughter in law going out to dinner with her mother, who was dating a real millionaire, he was born with it, and when the check was due he got up and went to the bathroom, I BOUGHT this cheap bastard his meal... Thats the real world...

  Like I say, a socialized, single payer system is the ONLY way out...

"They're smarter than us. That's why you're jealous, but I'm not.  I don't know why you guys feel this way. I guess you figure since you can't have it, not one else should." Web nothing is further from the truth. Look at my post on minimum wage. They're stealing jobs and money from the poor. They stole from me. They're not smarter, they're f__king crooks. They give themselves huge bonuses while their company goes downhill, look at the bonuses paid out after the bailout. Look at the jobs sent overseas after the bailout. All I wanted was my little piece of the pie I was promised, the theiving rotten SOB's that already had millions had to steal that. I'm not jealous of an evil lowlife crook.  

No, go through it again for me, I want to hear how making 20 million and giving to his church of the magic underwear makes him above paying the 33% he is supposed to pay...



   I don't care if he makes 100 million a day, really don't, I made my money the hard way, he was born with a silver spoon. I actually feel sorry for the poor devil, he really doesn't know how it feels to EARN a living the hard way, don't think he has ever worked in 115' temps, or froze his butt off working in -50'.. I'd tell him that to his face, I'm not afraid of him or any other man for that reason..


  No I do not hold every rich person to this light, but I'm betting the vast majority do act the same way, as I said before, you don't get rich by giving money away..



  No sir I am not wrong, you don't work for rich guys, you work for working slobs, the really rich guys don't have to work, nor do they.. They invest their money, they make money with money.. They are not smarter than us, they have found a nitch, again, I'm not jealous, they put their pants on the same as I.. Just because they have personal ball washers, they still don't impress me.....    Couldn't help it Lewis Black cracks me up....

Look at my post on minimum wage.

Yea I did, but didn’t want to get into it. If the minimum wage was $23 an hour, milk would cost $25 a gallon. If you thinking if everyone made $80,000 a year there’d be no poor, you’re kidding yourself. There is no nation on earth that do not have poor. Some poor are better off than others. (Only in America is obesity a sign of poverty….)