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Reply #15 - 10/24/12 at 09:18:27
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/24/12 at 06:28:24:
We have a military style attack, on our embassy & by what forces? Was it Big Al? Does anyone know yet?


State Department emails from day of Libya attack show Al Qaeda-tied group on radar
By Chad Pergram
Published October 23, 2012
FoxNews.com

A series of internal State Department emails obtained by Fox News shows some of the initial assessments of last month's deadly consulate attack in Libya, including one email within hours of the attack that noted the group Ansar al Sharia had claimed responsibility.
The emails provide some of the most detailed information to surface about what officials knew in the initial hours after the attack. And it again raises questions about why U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice, apparently based on intelligence assessments, would claim five days after the attack that it was a 'spontaneous' reaction to protests over an anti-Islam film.
Ansar al Sharia has been declared by the State Department to be an Al Qaeda-affiliated group. A member of the group suspected of participating in the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi has been arrested and is being held in Tunisia.
The emails obtained by Fox News were sent by the State Department to a variety of national security platforms, whose addresses have been redacted, including the White House Situation Room, the Pentagon, the FBI and the Director of National Intelligence.
Fox News was told that an estimated 300 to 400 national security figures received these emails in real time almost as the raid was playing out and concluding. People who received these emails work directly under the nation’s top national security, military and diplomatic officials, Fox News was told.
The timestamps on the emails are all Eastern Time and often include the subheading SBU…which is shorthand for “Sensitive But Unclassified.”
The third email came at 6:07 p.m. ET and was sent to a different email list but still includes the White House Situation Room address and a subject line of “Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack (SBU).”
“Embassy Tripoli reports the group claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli," the email reads.
Earlier emails did not go into who might have been responsible for the attack.
The first email indicates that U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and other personnel were “in the compound safe haven.” Officials later discovered that Stevens and three other Americans had died in the attack.
The first email was sent at 4:05 p.m. ET with the subject line “U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi Under Attack (SBU).”
“The Regional Security Officer reports the diplomatic mission is under attack," the email reads. "Embassy Tripoli reports approximately 20 armed people fired shots; explosions have been heard as well. Ambassador Stevens, who is currently in Benghazi, and four COM personnel are in the compound safe haven. The 17th of February militia is providing security support.
"The operations Center will provide updates as available.”
The second email came at 4:54 p.m. ET, with a subject line “Update 1: U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi (SBU)"
“Embassy Tripoli reports the firing at the U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi has stopped and the compound has been cleared. A response team is on site attempting to locate COM personnel.”


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In a follow up, Senator Saxby Chambliss R-Ga. was on Fox and Friends this morning.

At the end of the interview, he ask Steve Doocy for a copy of the emails.

He said "We've been asking the White House for those emails for weeks
and they have refused to give them to us".


http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/24/us/libya-benghazi-e-mails/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
You know, because email is so unsecure these days.


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Re: Why didnt the get more security?
Reply #16 - 10/24/12 at 09:40:03
 
oted the group Ansar al Sharia had claimed responsibility.


Yea.Well,, people have used My email to send email, heck, Ive found emeils Ive sent to myself,, I never did any of it,,

If people didnt die, we couldnt justify boots on the ground, Why they lied about who did it, IDK, but they Let these people die..
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Reply #17 - 10/24/12 at 09:40:37
 
  Additional personell would not have helped, unless they had heavy armor, tanks ect.. Terrorists had RPG's and mortars.. Obama called the attack the day after an act of terror, then again called it an act of terror the day after that! Why is it always a conspriracy with the right wingers?
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Reply #18 - 10/24/12 at 09:44:13
 
Obama called the attack the day after an act of terror,

let's be clear on this point, he did not.
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Reply #19 - 10/24/12 at 09:49:34
 
Retread wrote on 10/24/12 at 09:40:37:
  Additional personell would not have helped, unless they had heavy armor, tanks ect.. Terrorists had RPG's and mortars.. Obama called the attack the day after an act of terror, then again called it an act of terror the day after that! Why is it always a conspriracy with the right wingers?




Oh, its Okay that he didnt send help,, because, even if he had, it wouldnt have helped.. I see..

When was the first request? Why didnt he send a team to evaluate the threat? WE are a MILITARILY EQUIPPED nation. We have Professionals in the field, assessing threats, determining the amount of manpower & equipment to defend our positions is what we DO.YOure so desperate to not see your sainted pres as the political puppet he really is,,
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Reply #20 - 10/24/12 at 10:00:35
 
the word terror as used, in the 10th paragraph, is used as a generic term, not as a specific description of the attack against the ambassador. You have no leg to stand on in this argument and you would be best to punt and play defense.

10:43 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT:  Good morning.  Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation.  Often, they are away from their families.  Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi.  Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith.  We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed.  And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack.  We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats.  I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world.  And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths.  We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.  But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence.  None.  The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya.  Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans.  Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save.  At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi.  With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya.  When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there.  He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on.  I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks.  We mourned with the families who were lost on that day.  I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed.  And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it.  Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.  Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.  We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act.  And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers.  These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity.  They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you.  May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.
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Re: Why didnt the get more security?
Reply #21 - 10/24/12 at 10:02:31
 
WebsterMark wrote on 10/24/12 at 09:44:13:
Obama called the attack the day after an act of terror,

let's be clear on this point, he did not.


Lets get your facts together HE DID!!!!!

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/

  Then again in Colorado and Nevada the day after that! Get your facts before your bull crap!
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Reply #22 - 10/24/12 at 10:12:57
 
Everyhting is a terror attack, even IF its an organic , spontaneous riot. They LIED & Tried & tried & tried to get us to believe it wasnt a pre planned, military style attack, they tried to get us to believe it was a riot that went a little crazier than they were able to deal with,
He LIED,, didnt he,, come on,, you can do it,, admit it,
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Reply #23 - 10/24/12 at 10:31:12
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/24/12 at 10:12:57:
Everyhting is a terror attack, even IF its an organic , spontaneous riot. They LIED & Tried & tried & tried to get us to believe it wasnt a pre planned, military style attack, they tried to get us to believe it was a riot that went a little crazier than they were able to deal with,
He LIED,, didnt he,, come on,, you can do it,, admit it,


  You admit it.. If you have ever been in a a firefight you would understand the confusion and fear that goes with it.. If anyone is guilty of lying, it is the media, reporting over twenty riots in countries across the middle east, then trying to separate Benghazi.. The President said it was a act of terror the day after, and the day after that, and the day after that! How many times does he have to say it before all you crazys believe him??????
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Reply #24 - 10/24/12 at 10:33:35
 
no Retread. Terrorist attack is a very specific phrase that should have been used with no doubt about it's meaning. they did not do this. Hell, this is the administration that still has a hard time calling the Ft. Hood terrorist attack a terrorist attack.    

The question is still out there as far as why they tried this video cover up bs.
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Reply #25 - 10/24/12 at 11:08:32
 
Retread wrote on 10/24/12 at 09:40:37:
  Why is it always a conspriracy with the right wingers?


Because the government has given me every reason to blindly trust them in the past.


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Reply #26 - 10/24/12 at 11:12:24
 
Retread wrote on 10/24/12 at 10:31:12:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/24/12 at 10:12:57:
Everyhting is a terror attack, even IF its an organic , spontaneous riot. They LIED & Tried & tried & tried to get us to believe it wasnt a pre planned, military style attack, they tried to get us to believe it was a riot that went a little crazier than they were able to deal with,
He LIED,, didnt he,, come on,, you can do it,, admit it,


  You admit it.. If you have ever been in a a firefight you would understand the confusion and fear that goes with it.. If anyone is guilty of lying, it is the media, reporting over twenty riots in countries across the middle east, then trying to separate Benghazi.. The President said it was a act of terror the day after, and the day after that, and the day after that! How many times does he have to say it before all you crazys believe him??????




Okay, he called it an act of "Terror".. so? He ALSO continued to try to con us into believing it WASNT a military style attack. He TRIED, over & Over, to LIE to us, & get us to believe it was a riot gone bad, because of some video. He DENIED the requests for help came in,AND he Denied them getting the help they asked for.,.
& You still support HIM? WHY?
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Reply #27 - 10/24/12 at 13:23:46
 
 HE personally is not micro managing every item involved, he did however take clear blame for what happened.. Jesus, I heard mortars and RPG's were involved in the attack the day after, he said it was an act of terror, what would you like?   Meanwhile Bush gets a pass for ignoring warnings of 9/11, and invading a soveriegn nation on false pretense??? Lets see thats over seven THOUSAND deaths, all on his watch, did he take blame??? Hell no he didn't, and putting this incident into a some sort of political coverup is assinine at best...
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Reply #28 - 10/24/12 at 14:40:49
 
he said it was an act of terror, what would you like?

1) no, he didn't.

2) I'd like him to tell everyone why he blamed the video for 2 weeks. Doesn't that bother you? He knew it was a military style attack yet kept saying this was caused by a protest gone bad over a video on youtube. Why? What was he covering up? Why didn't he come clean in the first place and say they were targetted and attacked. There never was a crowd out front, there never was a protest. Why?
bringing Bush up means nothing other than you're trying to cloud the issue and make it go away.
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Reply #29 - 10/24/12 at 16:06:41
 
Ouch,, thats gonna leave a mark..
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