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Reply #45 - 11/15/12 at 13:38:23
 
I'll try to stay on points raised.  First, I never use the term "Civil War" to describe the War Between the States.  A true civil war is defined as a conflict wherein 2 or more factions are competing to control a country, like what is going on in Syria right now.  Our conflict from 1861 to 1865 was one wherein a number states wanted to leave the Union.  Call it the War Between the States, the War for Southern Independence ( the most accurate description), or the War of Secession - any of those are more accurate than Civil War.

As for our speed limits:  Frist, a bunch of fools have persuaded the gov't that "speed kills", rather than being more correct and seeing that incompetent drivers in less capable cars kill.  Furthermore, until very recently, American cars were junk, incapable of proper handling, and had horrible brakes and steering.  European cars, even less expensive ones, had rack and pinion steering, disc brakes, and tight suspensions, coupled with reasonable size, when Americans were driving 1977 Olsdmobiles as big as a yacht, with steering so loose that you had half a turn of play in the steering wheel, with brakes so poor you couldn't get the thing stopped from even 70 mph in 100 yards, and suspensions so loose that it would roll over if you swerved at speed.
Then our licensing laws were so lousy that most people my age simply learned their father's poor driving skills.  Still today, I know of no regular driver's education teacher who has ever been on a skid pad, nor who has a clue what a four wheel drift is.
But things are slowly getting better - thanks to the global economy, American manufacturers now have to build a decent product that they can sell overseas.  If we ever get any true driver's education, that would be great.
I wish we had speed limits of at least 80 mph on the interstates, in rural areas.
I too spend a lot of time driving, about 30,000 miles per year.  Just this week I went from Columbus, Ohio to Chicago and back.  I find our roads to be in acceptable, not perfect, condition.  Except for that abonimation that they call the Pennsylvania Turnpike, I'm generally pleased with the interstate highways I drive.
When people say how our other infrastructure is so poor compared to Europe, a good part of Western Europe's was destroyed in WW II and was rebuilt in the 1950s.  Some our ours goes back 150 years.
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Reply #46 - 11/15/12 at 15:40:55
 
The war of southern treason works for me....

Below is a petition currently circulating that I am very much in favor of.

We the people  petition the obama administration to:

Rename portions of federal highways between Atlanta and Savannah the "William Tecumseh Sherman Memorial Highway".

In the fall of 1864 General William T. Sherman led his troops on the "March to the Sea," capturing Savannah, which brought the end of America's bloody civil war much closer, and thus preserving the Union.

Today, much of General Sherman's route is paralleled by interstate highways I-75 and I-16.

In memory of one of America's greatest patriots, this petition asks the government to rename those portions of those highways after General Sherman and add significant places along that route to the National Register of Historic Places.  Cheesy
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Reply #47 - 11/15/12 at 18:18:18
 
Just over a 1000 miles this week. Very little interstate. Mostly 4 lane divided state highways. South of Poplar Bluff MO and into Northern Arkansas, it’s 2 lane for about 80 miles as the road weaves around rivers and bluffs.  

Now, to the question about infrastructure which is what Midnight and Mpes asked about.  There were only two areas of construction. One was replacing a bridge over the Black River and the other was lane widening outside of Little Rock on I-40. I can’t say the economy is being impacted significantly over that 80 miles of 2 lane. It’s sparsely populated. Spending funds to extend the 4 lane divided highway so there is a straight shot from St. Louis to Little Rock might create a little more economy activity, but it wouldn’t offset the hundreds of millions it would cost to build it. If the towns of Poplar Bluff, Jonesboro and maybe Paragould grew significantly, maybe the demand would be there.

I was also thinking about this often repeated phrase of ‘crumbling infrastructure’. Honestly, I don’t see it. I think this is one of those phrases that has been tossed around so much, it's assumed to be true. Sure, there are projects to be done, but crumbling? I wouldn’t agree with that.

I’ve been selling industrial products to 3 different industry the past 25 years or so and I can’t recall ever hearing anyone use the phrase crumbling infrastructure as a reason or excuse for a project not proceeding. I’ve heard managers tell me industrial plants prefer to be away from population centers because they get cheap, but more reliable labor. Plus, many smell so they would rather avoid the complains. I guess that is an acceptable trade off for dealing with 2 lane roads.
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Reply #48 - 11/15/12 at 18:37:08
 
A large percentage of the roads in NC suck, I blame a lot of that on our current govenor, she sucks. Our kids go to school in house trailers. Built a brand new school a half mile from my house and before it was completed there were 8 doublewides sitting there. Maybe its a state or local goverment problem but none the less theres work to be done. When they finally decide to replace a bridge or repair a road it takes years when it should only take months. They have been talking about building a loop around Winston Salem for over 28 years now. When I built my house 28 years ago the loop was supposed to be within a quarter of a mile from me and I was informed my house could be taken. Twenty Eight years ago, Duh. When the roads in NC were actually kept up by the state they were in a lot better shape and construction was completed in a timely manner. Now everything is bid out to private contractors and its a friggin mess. It took them over 3 years to build a bridge that I use weekly over Hwy 52. Thats rediculous and irresponsible.
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Reply #49 - 11/15/12 at 21:20:58
 
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Reply #50 - 11/16/12 at 20:58:41
 
Back during the Vietnam war, we would bomb the hell out of North Vietnam destroying tens of steel and concrete girder bridges in and around Hanoi on a weekly bases. Two weeks later the bridges would be rebuilt and up and running, and they would have to be bombed again.

The main highway I travel daily here in Michigan has a bridge over a little creek that needed to be replaced two years ago. The road was closed and detoured around for a year and a half...go figure.
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Reply #51 - 11/17/12 at 04:37:39
 
It took them over 3 years to build a bridge that I use weekly over Hwy 52. Thats rediculous and irresponsible.

So don’t your claims of crumbling infrastructure demonstrate that the US Government (Federal or State) as an organization is incompetent in providing a basic service?

So if that’s true, and by your posts you’ve said that over and over, why in the world are you in such a hurry to turn over to them a basic service that’s responsible for not only your personal health, but 1/6 of the US economy?  

What would make you believe this organization won’t fail miserably, as they are doing with infrastructure,  when they have control of healthcare?
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Reply #52 - 11/17/12 at 18:30:02
 
Starlifter wrote on 11/16/12 at 20:58:41:
Back during the Vietnam war, we would bomb the hell out of North Vietnam destroying tens of steel and concrete girder bridges in and around Hanoi on a weekly bases. Two weeks later the bridges would be rebuilt and up and running, and they would have to be bombed again.

The main highway I travel daily here in Michigan has a bridge over a little creek that needed to be replaced two years ago. The road was closed and detoured around for a year and a half...go figure.



Well,, thats an Easy Fix,, Hire a Vietnamese contractor,,duhhh.,.
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Reply #53 - 11/18/12 at 21:39:41
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/17/12 at 04:37:39:
It took them over 3 years to build a bridge that I use weekly over Hwy 52. Thats rediculous and irresponsible.

So don’t your claims of crumbling infrastructure demonstrate that the US Government (Federal or State) as an organization is incompetent in providing a basic service?

So if that’s true, and by your posts you’ve said that over and over, why in the world are you in such a hurry to turn over to them a basic service that’s responsible for not only your personal health, but 1/6 of the US economy?  

What would make you believe this organization won’t fail miserably, as they are doing with infrastructure,  when they have control of healthcare?

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Reply #54 - 11/18/12 at 22:19:11
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/17/12 at 04:37:39:
It took them over 3 years to build a bridge that I use weekly over Hwy 52. Thats rediculous and irresponsible.

So don’t your claims of crumbling infrastructure demonstrate that the US Government (Federal or State) as an organization is incompetent in providing a basic service?

So if that’s true, and by your posts you’ve said that over and over, why in the world are you in such a hurry to turn over to them a basic service that’s responsible for not only your personal health, but 1/6 of the US economy?  

What would make you believe this organization won’t fail miserably, as they are doing with infrastructure,  when they have control of healthcare?

Webster when the state kept the roads up NC was said to have the best roads in the nation. Now its bid out to private contractors. They have a racket going, they bid low to get the job, get a bunch of money up front and when the work is not finished on time and the state starts fining them they declare bankruptcy, form a new company and start all over again. As usual the big man walks off with a pocketful of money. Its nothing but a dam racket. Web not everything the goverment does is screwed up. Our great health care system ruined my life, private corp. stole my retirement I was promised that I worked 37 years for. If it wasnt for the goverment I would starve and I deserve better. The goverment in effect supplied me with my retirement that multi millionaires stole from me.  Screw the private corporations, the greedy bastards are my enemy.  Web when 400 people make more money than the rest of the population combined something is furcked up. I use to be where you're at, thats why I like you. You're in a position to take care of yourself, please do. I made the mistake of believing in private corp. to take care of me in my last days and you know the rest of the story. How many people are so called moochers living off the gov. because they were screwed over by private corps. like me. If it makes you feel any better I actually voted for a Pub LOL. If Romney would have promised to do for this country what he done for Mass. I would have voted for two. I believe he was a good govenor. Something or someone turned him into a lying sack of sh!t.
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Reply #55 - 11/18/12 at 22:26:37
 
Starlifter wrote on 11/15/12 at 15:40:55:
The war of southern treason works for me....

Below is a petition currently circulating that I am very much in favor of.

We the people  petition the obama administration to:

Rename portions of federal highways between Atlanta and Savannah the "William Tecumseh Sherman Memorial Highway".

In the fall of 1864 General William T. Sherman led his troops on the "March to the Sea," capturing Savannah, which brought the end of America's bloody civil war much closer, and thus preserving the Union.

Today, much of General Sherman's route is paralleled by interstate highways I-75 and I-16.

In memory of one of America's greatest patriots, this petition asks the government to rename those portions of those highways after General Sherman and add significant places along that route to the National Register of Historic Places.  Cheesy

The next one is gonna be worse except you and I will be on the same side this time. Hope you darn yankees can shoot and hide in the woods as good as us ol southern boys. Chill out and listen to some Lynard Skynard LOL.
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Reply #56 - 11/19/12 at 05:41:23
 
Midnight; the corruptions you are describing are exactly what’s going to happen in healthcare. Human nature is what it is. Crooks will go to where the cash is as was famously answered by Willie Sutton.

As far as 400 make more than the rest, I doubt that’s true, but if it is, so what? They’re arent’ taking money from my pocket. I’m a free agent. If I don’t like what I make, I move on and vice versa.

What happened to you sounds like it was criminal. I have no idea what the back story is and I’m sure you wish you could go back in time and do stuff different. Lord knows I do. I never finished school, wish I’d go in the military, wish I’d do a lot of things differently. But, I have no intention of sitting around and being forced into your situation of relying on Uncle Sam to give me enough to get by.
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Reply #57 - 11/19/12 at 05:50:04
 
There won't be a civil war. The nation as we know it will quietly die out. All we have to do is look at California as an example. The big difference is smart and hard working Californians have been leaving that state by the bus loads. The problem is, right now, they can go to other states, Texas for example.

But when the entire nation finally looks like the fiscal nightmare California is, where to from there? It will be over at that point. All nations die out and most from within and so it will be with the US.
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Reply #58 - 11/19/12 at 06:19:54
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/19/12 at 05:50:04:
There won't be a civil war. The nation as we know it will quietly die out. All we have to do is look at California as an example. The big difference is smart and hard working Californians have been leaving that state by the bus loads. The problem is, right now, they can go to other states, Texas for example.

But when the entire nation finally looks like the fiscal nightmare California is, where to from there? It will be over at that point. All nations die out and most from within and so it will be with the US.


I shoud say right, and wrong at the same time.

I moved out of there as soon as I could. However there is a bunch of people who would rather go down with the state than leave.
I think its going to turn out like another NY. Some diehards will not leave ... Around them there is a pool of transients ...

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Reply #59 - 11/19/12 at 10:44:36
 
Webster do you know what year it is? I'm thankful you dont have to deal with our health care system like I do. I just spent 4 nights in ICU three weeks ago and all they did was give me injections of blood thinner, have blood clots in my lungs. So far I've recieved $12,000 worth of bills and they keep coming in. I have Lupus because one doctor didnt take the time to look and see what drugs another doctor was giving me and I'm dying from it. How more furcked up can a health care system be.
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