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Reply #60 - 11/19/12 at 12:07:19

. How more furcked up can a health care system be.

And you think having Uncle Sam in charge of it is going to make it better???? Remove the profit incentive and technology innovation will cease immediately. Remove the profit incentive and do you honestly think they'll be enough surgeons around to operate on an aging population?
The irony of Obamacare will be those with money will not see much change in healthcare. You can always pay someone to help you out. Those with nothing, will see an improvement, how much? hard to say.
Those of us in middle class who are too poor to be rich and to rich to be poor, will be absolutely screwed.....

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Reply #61 - 11/19/12 at 14:45:26

WebsterMark wrote on 11/19/12 at 12:07:19:

Remove the profit incentive and technology innovation will cease immediately.

... because there is no technology or innovation in England or France?... or the rest o the world?...
Right?...
Huh

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My buddy waited years for a hernia operation that was being done routinely in Europe...
... same thing happened with carpal tunnel surgery... They have many innovations... making surgery less less painful, with faster recovery, smaller scars...
There are cutting edge (pardon the pun),... medical advances happening all over the world...

You really should quit listening to Faux News... there's a whole world out there...

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Trippah Serious Thumper Offline I ride, therefore I am. Posts: 2517 central Mass Gender:	Re: Civil War Anyonr? Reply #62 - 11/19/12 at 14:59:36 Don't forget laser eye surgury - pioneered in Mother Russia when she was the center of commyism. No, we aren't the only center of innovation in this world. Just the best.
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 13885 Gender:	Re: Civil War Anyonr? Reply #63 - 11/19/12 at 15:03:56 My buddy waited years for a hernia operation that was being done routinely in Europe... you mentioned someone waiting for a long time before and i questioned you on it so i will on this one. how could anyone wait 'years' for a hernia operation? What's the backstory?
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Reply #64 - 11/19/12 at 15:28:20

There are cutting edge (pardon the pun),... medical advances happening all over the world...

You really should quit listening to Faux News... there's a whole world out there...

The market for these products has chiefly been in the US and it is from here much of the 'funding' is coming from. Regardless, the European scientific community is looking over the shoulders at what's coming down the line and they are smart enough to know it ain’t pretty.

Our company has a large European presence with strong sales in pharmaceutical and high tech. We are run by very smart business men who’ve built this company into the largest and most technologically advance in the world in our field. They are not stupid and neither are they partisan. They are very worried about the EU. Very worried.

http://www.yacadeuro.org/news/YAE_Press_release_signatures.pdf

Concerns over budget cuts for EU research funding as a result of the upcoming summit of European Union Heads of State or Government on 22-23 November has prompted an online petition. Several Member States are demanding major cuts on the overall EU budget and research is expected to suffer if pitted against other priority areas.
The European Parliament proposes a growth strategy of €100 billion for Horizon 2020, the EU research funding programme for 2014-20. However, the European Commission has called for the minimum amount of funding for research to generate an impact in Europe – €80 billion. This amount may be even lower after final negotiations due to current global economic troubles.
Arguing that cuts in research and innovation funding are counterproductive to future growth for the EU, 42 Nobel Laureates and 5 Fields Medallists have submitted an Open Letter to the EU Heads of States and Governments. “Reducing the funding available for excellent research means a smaller number of trained researchers. In case of a severe reduction in the EU research and innovation budget we risk losing a generation of talented scientists just when Europe needs them most,” the letter reads.

maybe you need to get out more.....or change the channel.

and i always chuckle at the Faux News lines. This coming from people who get their news from that angry young man on MSNBC, Rachel Maddow... Or the fair and balanced news reports from Brian Williams or anyone from CNN….

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Reply #65 - 11/19/12 at 15:43:27

WebsterMark wrote on 11/19/12 at 15:03:56:

My buddy waited years for a hernia operation that was being done routinely in Europe...

you mentioned someone waiting for a long time before and i questioned you on it so i will on this one. how could anyone wait 'years' for a hernia operation? What's the backstory?

In other words,.. you don't believe me... Grin

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Without giving away personal information,... he's a friend I've had for decades... the injury came from working in a boat shop, there was a bulge that would become painful and swell if overtasked, he lived with it for decades as it slowly got bigger and worse... he always feared being cut open,.. and the 2 week recovery period, and pain...
He heard about a mirco-surgery technique being done in Europe, and asked his doctor, who told him it would be years before it came here...
When it finally did... He had it done,.. a pinhole incision, outpatient procedure, 3 days avoiding heavy lifting, very little pain... and he's very happy...
.. and they all lived happily ever after...
The end... Huh

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Reply #66 - 11/19/12 at 18:05:41

I don't think you would lie to me on purpose, (don't think so...)

I'm confused. My mother in law had half her colon removed or something like that, using pin holes. that was 2 years ago. My brother in law had knee surgery with something along this line, that was 10 years ago i think.

I think there's a bit more to this story....... maybe your buddy who got hurt at work just kinda missed the boat (get it, missed the boat?.....)

If pin hole technology was developed in Europe, and I have no idea, I'm pretty sure it was in the US very, very quickly thereafter....

but the R&D info I posted is real. You can't have the financial issues Europe is having without ramifications. We'll soon follow....

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Reply #67 - 11/19/12 at 21:23:00

Whatever Web,.., I didn't say this just happened yesterday...
.. and no matter what I say,.. you'll believe what you want... It did happen...
The fact is,... medical innovations are not exclusive to the US,.. and not just to for-profit medicine and research...
There are,.. dedicated medical professionals all over the world, that are looking to make lives better... and the very best of them are not so interested in profit, or driving a Bently... they genuinely care about people and their oath...
Doctors make good money,.. even in nationalized systems,... maybe not as much as here,.. but maybe they are in it for a higher purpose...
Maybe,.. money isn't the only incentive in life....
We can only hope...

... and maybe,... with some better role models,.. people here will start to respect people for more than what they can earn in a year...
Because that is a twisted yardstick...

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Reply #68 - 11/19/12 at 22:04:43

Just noticed,... this thread is about the next civil war...
Obama's idol is Lincoln... and if the south rises again, Obama will knock the holy living crap out of them, again,... and send their bigoted a$$es back home with their tails between their legs...
... and they'll have their wounds tended through Obamacare... Grin

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I wonder their new flag will look like?... Huh

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Online PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6847 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Civil War Anyonr? Reply #69 - 11/19/12 at 22:41:01 THIS is not the next civil war. just a bunch O dis--gruntUled "ultra maroons"1 1 bugs bunny quote
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29276 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Civil War Anyonr? Reply #70 - 11/19/12 at 23:01:30 10 points for the Bugg's quote!... ... Excellence, in accuracy,.. and appropriateness... ...
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Online PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6847 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Civil War Anyonr? Reply #71 - 11/19/12 at 23:07:06 Serowbot wrote on 11/19/12 at 23:01:30: 10 points for the Bugg's quote!... ... Excellence, in accuracy,.. and appropriateness... ... side bar nixxxxon
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29276 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Civil War Anyonr? Reply #72 - 11/19/12 at 23:32:49 Don't say that!... ...
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Reply #73 - 11/20/12 at 03:48:41

and no matter what I say,.. you'll believe what you want...
As you will too.

The fact is,... medical innovations are not exclusive to the US,.. and not just to for-profit medicine and research...

Never said they were exclusive. I just said what is commonly known which is the largest market for medical products are in the US, regardless of where they are produced and where R&D money came from. No one can realistically dispute that. (hell, how much do we spend on our pets here in the US....) I also said the fiscal problems the EU faces WILL have an impact on European R&D funding by governments. I told you a division of my company is in that business to a small degree and have look ahead and know the business is dropping off. So I assume you think i'm lying to you....

The soft socialist model Europe has followed has caught up with them and they are in a real financial crisis. You can ignore it all you want, but it’s real. Liberal ideology follows that model more closely than conservative ideology so it would seem to follow that Obama’s policies will produce similar results. If you have evidence that disputes that, what is it?

... and maybe,... with some better role models,.. people here will start to respect people for more than what they can earn in a year...
Because that is a twisted yardstick...

If you think either myself or other conservatives I know only judge people by the money they earn, you are wrong. That is a twisted yardstick. I’m sure there are people out there with this attitude, but I don’t personally know any.

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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: Civil War Anyonr? Reply #74 - 11/20/12 at 06:15:40 Serowbot wrote on 11/19/12 at 22:04:43: Obama's idol is Lincoln... I'm glad someone else said it. I've been saying it! Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and enacted martial law in Kentucky. Obama is already half way there. --Steve
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