I know, right!
I can't wait!


--Steve

WebsterMark wrote on 11/19/12 at 15:03:56:



I like the injun method ... you pay for it and it will be done ... you can pay more, you go to a place that looks like a 5 star hotel. You cant pay, you go to a place that looks like a railway station platform. Seriously ... or lets say a WWII infirmary (is that what its called, lots of people on cots with a white sheet over them ... that). I'll go somewhere inbetween ... and I stand a very good chance of being medically treated well while I still get to sit in the sweltering heat ...

Cool.
Srinath.

Pinhole surgery...

...you mean "Laparoscopy"? It's been going on for decades, they teach it in kindergarten classes and even stray cats perform it on field mice.

 

OK, I was serious, with a joke.

As for the really delicate issue, "Civil War", may I speak with the memories of an 8-13 year old who went to Fairfax Co. schools:
ALL history books used the term "Civil War".
If political Correctness has gone to the point you change the names of wars, go ahead, it's your Country... (although I do love it)
By this trend, should Europeans one day see WW1 be renamed "The Great war of American Awareness" or WW2 "The yet another War where the US had to scramble and go help the British"?
And... what about the Spanish-American War?
Korea ?
Vietnam ?
How many Iraqs were there ? (Three, actually, you paid for all three but only went on two)
And so on and so on...

Just leave the names as they were given by the men who actually fought those wars.
It's a matter of respect to the Fallen and the Veterans.

"Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and enacted martial law in Kentucky." Steve

Yes, Kentucky was a neutral state in the civil war, later a union state. Confederate guerillas were continually slipping into Kentucky to rally, organize, and arm southern sympathizers. They also engaged in acts of sabotage and general mayhem. And so martial law was temporarily imposed to put down this mini rebellion.

"Obama is already half way there." Steve

How so are we half-way to martial law under Obama??

Serowbot wrote on 11/20/12 at 16:23:36:


"What was so civil about it?"

Nothing is ever civil about any war...

BUT... since you asked...

"Civil War" comes from Latin, where "civis" (pl. "cives") means "citizen".

So a "civil war" is a "war among citizens".

From the point of view of  lexicon, "civil war" is a much more correct expression that "War between the States".

My own three cents... (inflation   )

"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace."

General William Tecumseh Sherman
to the Mayor and Councilmen of Atlanta

In the mind of General William Tecumseh Sherman, who made famous the phrase "War is hell," there was no doubt as to the integrity of the North's cause. Sherman was renowned as a fierce - some would say tyrannical - military leader, and in September 1864 he gave orders for the city of Atlanta to be evacuated and burned. Despite appeals from the citizens of Atlanta, including reminders that there were elderly and pregnant women whom it would be difficult and even perilous to move, Sherman's decision was final. He explained himself to the mayor and council members of the city.

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HEADQUARTERS MILITARY DIVISION of the MISSISSIPPI in the FIELD
Atlanta, Georgia,
James M. Calhoun, Mayor,
E.E. Rawson and S.C. Wells, representing City Council of Atlanta.

Gentleman: I have your letter of the 11th, in the nature of a petition to revoke my orders removing all the inhabitants from Atlanta. I have read it carefully, and give full credit to your statements of distress that will be occasioned, and yet shall not revoke my orders, because they were not designed to meet the humanities of the cause, but to prepare for the future struggles in which millions of good people outside of Atlanta have a deep interest. We must have peace, not only at Atlanta, but in all America. To secure this, we must stop the war that now desolates our once happy and favored country. To stop war, we must defeat the rebel armies which are arrayed against the laws and Constitution that all must respect and obey. To defeat those armies, we must prepare the way to reach them in their recesses, provided with the arms and instruments which enable us to accomplish our purpose. Now, I know the vindictive nature of our enemy, that we may have many years of military operations from this quarter; and, therefore, deem it wise and prudent to prepare in time. The use of Atlanta for warlike purposes in inconsistent with its character as a home for families. There will be no manufacturers, commerce, or agriculture here, for the maintenance of families, and sooner or later want will compel the inhabitants to go. Why not go now, when all the arrangements are completed for the transfer, instead of waiting till the plunging shot of contending armies will renew the scenes of the past month? Of course, I do not apprehend any such things at this moment, but you do not suppose this army will be here until the war is over. I cannot discuss this subject with you fairly, because I cannot impart to you what we propose to do, but I assert that our military plans make it necessary for the inhabitants to go away, and I can only renew my offer of services to make their exodus in any direction as easy and comfortable as possible.

     You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war. The United States does and must assert its authority, wherever it once had power; for, if it relaxes one bit to pressure, it is gone, and I believe that such is the national feeling. This feeling assumes various shapes, but always comes back to that of Union. Once admit the Union, once more acknowledge the authority of the national Government, and, instead of devoting your houses and streets and roads to the dread uses of war, I and this army become at once your protectors and supporters, shielding you from danger, let it come from what quarter it may. I know that a few individuals cannot resist a torrent of error and passion, such as swept the South into rebellion, but you can point out, so that we may know those who desire a government, and those who insist on war and its desolation.

     You might as well appeal against the thunder-storm as against these terrible hardships of war. They are inevitable, and the only way the people of Atlanta can hope once more to live in peace and quiet at home, is to stop the war, which can only be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride.

     We don't want your Negroes, or your horses, or your lands, or any thing you have, but we do want and will have a just obedience to the laws of the United States. That we will have, and if it involved the destruction of your improvements, we cannot help it.

     You have heretofore read public sentiment in your newspapers, that live by falsehood and excitement; and the quicker you seek for truth in other quarters, the better. I repeat then that, bu the original compact of government, the United States had certain rights in Georgia, which have never been relinquished and never will be; that the South began the war by seizing forts, arsenals, mints, custom-houses, etc., etc., long before Mr. Lincoln was installed, and before the South had one jot or title of provocation. I myself have seen in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi, hundreds and thousands of women and children fleeing from your armies and desperadoes, hungry and with bleeding feet. In Memphis, Vicksburg, and Mississippi, we fed thousands and thousands of the families of rebel soldiers left on our hands, and whom we could not see starve. Now that war comes to you, you feel very different. You deprecate its horrors, but did not feel them when you sent car-loads of soldiers and ammunition, and moulded shells and shot, to carry war into Kentucky and Tennessee, to desolate the homes of hundreds and thousands of good people who only asked to live in peace at their old homes, and under the Government of their inheritance. But these comparisons are idle. I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect an early success.

     But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for any thing. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.

     Now you must go, and take with you the old and feeble, feed and nurse them, and build for them, in more quiet places, proper habitations to shield them against the weather until the mad passions of men cool down, and allow the Union and peace once more to settle over your old homes in Atlanta. Yours in haste,

W.T. Sherman, Major-General commanding

Midnightrider wrote on 11/22/12 at 22:48:10:



I think we must make GS eat monsatan's food and Monsatan should hand over their executives pay over to GS to "invest".
Cool.
Srinath.