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Reply #15 - 11/18/12 at 14:50:51

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the one that requires you to step on the brake before you shift out of Park

I hate that one... (I nearly tore the shifter out of a car before I figured it out)... Dump it...
... and the "clutch -in" start disable,.. that makes me get all the way in the car to turn it over... PITA when you're working on an engine... Dump it...

Smoke alarms, CO alarms... fine... but don't make them shut off my furnace in night if the battery goes low...
Safety features that let me know something is one thing... Brake lights, etc...
Safety features that prevent me from doing something is something else...

I get Charon,.. I'm not a total Luddite or danger freak... I even wear a helmet...
I just don't like "safety features" that assume I'm an idiot...
Offer them as an option for idiots... like racing stripes... Huh

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-I've never started a bike or car in gear,.. (but once, ... I used the starter gear to crank myself out of a huge puddle when it killed the engine: impossible today)...
-Also,.. the only time I was ever hit by a cager on a bike,.. I was on a Harley with full factory signals,.. the left one was still blinking away under the truck...
-How many guys have you seen obliviously riding along with their blinker on?... so, our safety equipment, needs safety equipment.. (auto shut-offs, and beepers)... but what if the beeper goes out?... better add a warning buzzer for that...
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Reply #16 - 11/18/12 at 15:38:19

I hate the safety on my mom's lawn tractor that turns the mower off when you back up! My mowing method that I have developed over years of mowing.....is to back up when I miss a spot and get it in reverse. Can't do that on my mom's mower. It also has an overly sensitive seat safety.....and just a little bump that unloads a bit of your weight off the seat will also shut the mower off.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29707 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: The trouble with safety's... Reply #18 - 11/18/12 at 17:30:37 It's a deadman for yer' butt!... just don't die sitting down or it won't work... ...
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Reply #19 - 11/18/12 at 21:53:11

Charon wrote on 11/18/12 at 12:53:09:

While you are busy disabling safeties, don't forget the Park/Neutral start interlock on your car. Don't forget the one that requires you to step on the brake before you shift out of Park. Might as well disable the brake light switch, too, and go back to hand signals. If you operate a heavy vehicle, disable the backup beeper. If it has air brakes, remove the low air pressure buzzer. And disable the ABS and stability systems, too.

Let's move into the house and remove the smoke alarm batteries. We can cut off the ground pins on all three-wire plugs, and short across all fuses and circuit breakers. We can easily enough disable overtemp safeties on furnaces and low- and high-pressure switches on air conditioners (in the car, too). Of course, all those silly GFCI breakers in the kitchen, bathroom, and basement will have to go. Oh - I almost forgot the Carbon Monoxide detector if your heating system uses any sort of flame. There is also a pressure relief on your hot water heater. Don't forget to block it.

Anyone care to add to the list?

Because CO detectors and all of that other stuff you mentioned just TOTALLY gets in my way even though they are completely passive devices.

Give it a break. Go join a cult or something.

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Reply #20 - 11/19/12 at 07:23:56

You'd think the ferryman on the River Styx would be anti-safety... he could collect more coins. Roll Eyes

I do have one truck here that has one fuse, stock. Everything was run through the high beam switch by the factory. So it only shipped with one fuse. And has the old style hydraulic brake light switch, less failure prone than the modern in cab mechanical type. No seat belts, no back up lights, no factory turn signals, they weren't around on trucks in the 1940s. It does have an aftermarket set of turn signals and a second brake/tail light, only had one rear light from the factory.

Used hand signals towing my 60s horse trailer behind my 69 Dodge last year. No brake lights on either rig, stupid little switch failed and the parts store replacements for it don't fit it properly. Need to add a hydraulic type before I put it back on the road. Or are the factory 4 wheel non-power assist drum brakes not up to snuff anymore? It has armstrong steering too... Wink

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Reply #21 - 11/19/12 at 07:39:47

Yall missed the worst safty offender ... ABS on cars... it was sooo bad the auto-makers said it was OUR fault... for pumping the brakes and confusing the system.

So wait... non-ABS which work fine IF you know how to use them
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ABS brakes.. which work fine IF you know how to use them

I KNOW ... Lets mandate the more complicated and expensive ones!!! ... cause they work better ( IF you know how to use them)

FACT: S&W pistols without the safety lock command a higher premium the the newer pistols WITH locks ( all else being equal)

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Reply #22 - 11/19/12 at 19:52:41

ABS is actually an odd sort of case. When first introduced on cars there were high hopes it would reduce crashes and damages. Studies have shown it didn't. There is question why. Did "risk compensation" have bearing? Did drivers who felt the pedal pulsation release the brakes because they didn't know what was happening? Something else? Studies have shown a considerable reduction in motorcycle crashes when ABS is present, on the order of 25 - 30%, mainly because even inexperienced riders can apply lots of braking without falling down. This is a rough call, because absent a crash there also isn't a crash report (notice I am trying to avoid the term "accident").

There are many safeties I find annoying, including the "step on the brake before you can shift out of Park" and the one someone else mentioned about riding mowers shutting down in Reverse. But I stand by what I have said before that if a safety interferes with what you want to do, chances are you are doing something wrong. I also drive a bus. Stepping - HARD - on the brake before shifting an automatic into gear keeps the bus from jerking when the transmission engages and provides a smoother experience for passengers.

By the way, in time the ferryman gets ALL the coins, because sooner or later everybody dies.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: The trouble with safety's... Reply #23 - 11/19/12 at 20:02:02 I welded up the plug in my pressure cooker,, HA! Take THAT Nanny State!
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29707 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: The trouble with safety's... Reply #24 - 11/19/12 at 21:36:03 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/19/12 at 20:02:02: I welded up the plug in my pressure cooker,, HA! Take THAT Nanny State! Grr,.. Arghhh!... ...
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ToesNose Serious Thumper Offline Pardon me, do you have Hot Sauce? Posts: 1993 Mooresville, NC Gender:	Re: The trouble with safety's... Reply #25 - 11/20/12 at 06:49:58 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/19/12 at 20:02:02: I welded up the plug in my pressure cooker,, HA! Take THAT Nanny State! BOOM!
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runwyrlph Serious Thumper Offline Semper ubi sub ubi Posts: 846 pa Gender:	Re: The trouble with safety's... Reply #26 - 11/20/12 at 07:44:47 WD wrote on 11/19/12 at 07:23:56: You'd think the ferryman on the River Styx would be anti-safety... he could collect more coins. I didn't get that the first read, WD - nice pun!
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Re: The trouble with safety's...
Reply #27 - 11/20/12 at 18:30:32

Continuing Charon's advice:

Remove the guards from your table saw and skill saw, lose a couple of fingers? you'll learn.

Peel the warning labels off your medications & toss em, what the hey, seen one pill seen them all.

Fire extinguishes in the house? out they go. You're way too smart to let a fire get going.

You hunt? get rid of those silly orange clothes...you look like a sissy.

Wear ear and eye protection at the range? What, are you some kind of a wuss? deep six em.

Play sports? football, baseball? forget those fool helmets and pads who needs em.

And most important of all, ride a motorcycle? follow Paladin's advice, NONE of the gear, NONE of the time. Grin

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29707 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: The trouble with safety's... Reply #28 - 11/20/12 at 18:39:12 Starlifter wrote on 11/20/12 at 18:30:32: You hunt? get rid of those silly orange clothes...you look like a sissy. I always think it's hysterically funny to see a hunter in full chamo,.. and a brite orange vest... Like a deer is going,.. "Hey Blitzen,.. look at that bush wearing brite orange vest"... ...
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29707 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: The trouble with safety's... Reply #29 - 11/20/12 at 18:53:07 PS,.. alright, alright,... I will admit, I am quite fond of that heat shield by my right foot... ...
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