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Reply #15 - 11/27/12 at 11:04:28
 
 
Justin, you didn't really just tell him to blow his own petcock did you?

...... you did, didn't you?

Do you really think his hose is that flexible?


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"Hyucckk Hyuckk Geesh,,"  indeed.    If he clears his own filter blocking external obstruction he's gonna spurt a fresh flow of gasoline into his own mouth.



Seriously now, it might be better to tilt the bike over and take the Raptor off and clean the screen with carb cleaner.

Has anyone considered some sort of sock material to go over the internal filter screen protrusion on the raptor?   Something fabric, like the finger off an old fabric glove?   Something just to pre-trap the gross amount of rust flakes for those of us who have rusty tanks?  

There is plenty of room below the screen to tie the finger off and the finger could stick up well above the tip of the filter giving lots of surface area to pre-screen the trash.   Such a rig wouldn't stop everything, nor would it stop the fine filter from plugging up, but it would take a whole lot longer for it to plug up again.

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Reply #16 - 11/27/12 at 13:28:27
 
the old one might be on to something. I might look into that once I have the raptor out of the tank later this evening.


As for blowing or sucking on hoses.......I just dont do it! Its a policy of mine I have had for years.  Grin

I will try to post a pic as well.
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Reply #17 - 11/27/12 at 14:10:51
 
"Hyucckk Hyuckk Geesh,,"  indeed.    If he clears his own filter blocking external obstruction he's gonna spurt a fresh flow of gasoline into his own mouth.


Not gonna happen,,the hose will be full O air, for the most part, all that need to happen is blow a few CC's of gas back thru those screens. IF he does that AND flow rate pick up, he knows the screens are nasty,, BUt, as you say, theres  easier ways &, based on his T/shooting to this point, its pretty well narrowed down. A tank vent problem would take longer to show up. Hes seeing problems when the bowl gets run low a lot sooner than suction buildup in the tank could happen, even if the tank was full, BUT, If ya wanna test for it, its easy. Fire it up, ( assuming tank is near full now) time a run & not HOw ya run it,not how long it takes before it starts stumbling,

Remove most of the gas, do the test again, If it takes longer for the problem to show up, its a vent problem,
Decrease head pressure on the petcock screens & it pass more fuel? Not likely,, BUt, it will take longer for a vacuum to build in the tank with less gas in it.
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Reply #18 - 11/27/12 at 17:09:49
 
I am probably being the Prophet of Doom, but I suspect the tank is going to have to be removed and thoroughly cleaned to get out all the rust/dirt/contamination in it. If it is seriously rusted, it might be possible to chemically clean it and then coat it with something like KREEM. Altering or adding filters is just going to postpone the problem. If you can get hold of some high-dollar optical equipment (a colonoscope would be nice) like a borescope from an aviation mechanic, you might be able to see the problem. But having seen it, you still have to fix it.
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Reply #19 - 11/27/12 at 17:25:01
 
Charon... Prophet of Doom... that's kinda' close... Grin...
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Reply #20 - 11/27/12 at 19:05:00
 
Once the petcock is out, cap off, you can get enough lite in & an inspection mirror & look around. A stiff wire with a white rag secured, lots of ways to see whats in there. A long piece of hard wire, shaped up on a grinder could help.
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Reply #21 - 11/27/12 at 19:51:46
 
 
You know, a newbie reading us tease each other might think "bad", but it's not, it is just some gentle ribbing going on.

Once you been through an oil war or two this is all very very mild, really.   Sorta like getting shot by a nerf gun instead of a AK spraying
7.62x39 full jacketed tracer all over yer butt (the willie pete burns ya some, it does).

Shocked   yeowie !!!

If we find the Raptor has somewhat quicker screen build up & clog up then we'll start mentioning the "finger" trick to the rusty tank newbies, along with whatever tank coating seems to really stop it for good.

When you look at gas flow, remember you need a cup full every 60 seconds to feed your Savage properly.   If you get 2 cups a minute you are relatively normal compared to most filters Charon has tested.
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Reply #22 - 11/28/12 at 07:22:28
 
Time for Splash07 to do some homework:

1) Drain Tank
2) Take out Raptor
3) Look inside tank and see what the inside looks like.
4) Look at Raptor and see if the screens are blocked.
5) Clean stuff up if necessary.  Take tank off if a thorought cleaning and derusting is necessary.  I vote for cleaning and sealing if rust is present, as once it starts I don't think you can stop it easily.  I prefer the POR15 coating.

Until we know for sure what the inside of the tank looks like.....we really can't provide much help.
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Re: Dies after only a few minutes of riding
Reply #23 - 11/29/12 at 06:47:01
 
I use a glass turkey baster for this kind of thing,.. when compressed air won't do, and I want to shove some icky fluid through a tube or port or other sort of "orifice."  
-- Nylon works okay in most situations instead of glass, but sometime you might have to deal with a chemical that attacks nylon.  
-- Glass is pretty much impervious except for a few acids we would most likely never use.  
-- Don't let any of the icky fluid touch the rubber bulb.

here's an example:

http://www.gracioushome.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_10001_10...
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Reply #24 - 12/04/12 at 14:33:49
 
Took the raptor off and it was a little crudded up so I blew it off with some compressed air. Took the carb off and apart and blew some compressed air up the float valve and out the gas inlet, it looked pretty clean in there.  Where is the screen thats before the float bowl?
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Reply #25 - 12/04/12 at 15:31:05
 
above the float valve.

it's stuck to the top of the seat.
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Reply #26 - 12/04/12 at 16:19:29
 
Installed everything without an inline filter and still ahving the same problem.

So I will need to remove the float valve huh?
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Reply #27 - 12/04/12 at 16:24:41
 
Splash,. I'm not going to go back and read this whole thread,..
.. but, your problem seems to be fuel flow...
Start at the top, and work your way down...
Gas cap vent, petcock screen, fuel line, float needle screen, float bowl...
floats...etc...
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Reply #28 - 12/04/12 at 18:52:20
 
splash07 wrote on 12/04/12 at 14:33:49:
Took the raptor off and it was a little crudded up so I blew it off with some compressed air.


If the petcock screen was "a little crudded up" you have found your problem. You have crud in the gas tank. The ONLY CURE for your problem is cleaning out that crud.
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Reply #29 - 12/04/12 at 23:20:48
 
The screens on a petcock are very thin & fragile. If the tube they make is flexed any, one side is torn.
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