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Reply #15 - 12/11/12 at 06:12:33
 
I thought Obama promised to bring all the troops home?
Why are they still being deployed?


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Reply #16 - 12/11/12 at 06:48:11
 
Paraquat wrote on 12/11/12 at 06:12:33:
I thought Obama promised to bring all the troops home?
Why are they still being deployed?


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Apparently when there are wars based on lies and without an proper strategy, it is actually very hard to actually exit.

Say it was not based on lies - as in "I'm going to go there and divert people's attentions to get myself re-elected", then you can say, attention, diverted, election won, and you can get out.

Base it on lies ... when do you exit ? Something like that.

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Reply #17 - 12/11/12 at 09:08:43
 
http://promises.nationaljournal.com/
Obama's promise audit.


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Reply #18 - 12/11/12 at 09:37:46
 
Paraquat wrote on 12/11/12 at 09:08:43:
http://promises.nationaljournal.com/
Obama's promise audit.


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Well sadly that would be what happens when Repug's block everything via funding and "cutting government spending".
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Reply #19 - 12/12/12 at 07:51:59
 
The reality of why the war in Afgan is still going on is simple.   Obama the candidate can promise anything, like any candidate can.  But once he came to office, used his head (he is a smart guy), learned what this is really about ( NOT oil - none in Afgan ), what the real Taliban is, what their threats are, etc., etc. he took his oath to protect us seriously, and is trying to do that.

There's lots about Bammy with which I don't agree, but I give him credit for doing the right thing here, and not trying to remain a candidate on this issue after he is president.
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Reply #20 - 12/12/12 at 09:10:51
 
He lied.
He promised something and delivered nothing.
He should be impeached.


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Reply #21 - 12/12/12 at 09:26:47
 
Simple answers such as that are best reserved for the simple questions of simple people; not for a serious discussion of national policy.
That kind of answer reflects either ignorance of how international policy works, or a cavalier attitude.
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Reply #22 - 12/12/12 at 09:53:18
 
Actually Jerry; it's a response to the constant attack by the left which has no interest in discussion. They are quite litterally, black and white when it comes to their opposition. Of course, as someone just pointed out with regards to prochoice for women but not prochoice for workers, the left is all over the board with their own issues. But that's not important since they don't discuss issues, they demand their way or the highway and use their main stream media cohorts to enforce their views. The left is the cause for this discourse.

Now, is it correct for the right to lower themselves into the gutter? that's another questions. But WHY it happens is not in dispute.
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Reply #23 - 12/12/12 at 09:53:51
 
if you doubt any of that, try to have a reasonalbe discussion with Starlifter on any topic....
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Reply #24 - 12/12/12 at 10:21:11
 
WM -

I have "known" Lifter for years.  I like the guy.  You sometimes miss his tongue in cheek.  While we're miles apart on most political issues, I'd be glad to eat dinner with him and enjoy some witty reparte.  He's no dummy.
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Reply #25 - 12/12/12 at 11:14:53
 
What's not black and white about it?

Clinton lied about getting a beej and half the country derailed to impeach him.
Obama may as well have spat in our faces and there's no recourse?

What makes it acceptable for one and not the other?

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".


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Reply #26 - 12/12/12 at 19:15:08
 
Thank you Jerry. Yes we have known each other for years now. You are the voice of reason and intelligence on any discussion on this thread. Although as you said we are a universe apart in our political views, I believe that our core values and love of country are in perfect sync, and I always respect your opinions and do try to perceive or understand the reasoning from your point of view on every post.

Indeed, one of these days on our way to the USAF museum at Wright-Pat, we will get together for a dinner out at the very least.

PS, Congrats on the OSU victory over M...as they say, hope springs eternal, and there's always next year eh?

BO and Woody always remained friends as we will too. Wink
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Reply #27 - 12/13/12 at 04:58:35
 
He's no dummy.
yes, he is, but you are a gentleman so i'd expect nothing less from you.

I picture you wearing tweed, a hat and overcoat; maybe a cigar and dark briefcase.
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Reply #28 - 12/13/12 at 05:08:22
 
Paraquat wrote on 12/12/12 at 11:14:53:
What's not black and white about it?

Clinton lied about getting a beej and half the country derailed to impeach him.
Obama may as well have spat in our faces and there's no recourse?

What makes it acceptable for one and not the other?

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".


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The clinton situation was due to both houses being in repug hands.
Obama situation is a non starter, cos like Jerry said, it is the right strategy to do the withdrawl the right way ... and as such what Obama is doing is correct. Even a repug dominated house and senate will not try that.
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Reply #29 - 12/13/12 at 06:32:25
 
WM -

Sorry, but you missed the guess on my attire.  We are a suburban law firm that primarily works in the aviation area.  We do business work for aviation oriented businesses, we defend airplane accident cases, and we represent aviation interests before the FAA.

My typical workday attire is Docker slacks, sweater in the winter and golf shirt in the summer, and loafer shoes.  I wear a suit only when I have to go to court, or for some important meetings.  Most of our clients are not within a hundred miles of us, so we never have clients just pop in.  If they were to, most of them are attired in similar fashion.

I never really liked cigars.  I was a pipe smoker in college, as that was the "in thing " in the 1960s.  I only own two kinds of hats - a ball cap to wear while flying, and the other one is snuggly on a shelf, and it has an eagle on the front.

My briefcase, when I use it, is a soft sided one from L.L. Bean.

Most of the time the coat I wear is an A-2 flying jacket, courtesy of Uncle Sam.
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