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Reply #30 - 12/26/12 at 20:32:16

I used to think I didn't care if you owned a 105 Howitzer, as long as you were proficient with it and had the proper training.. I am slowly begining to think this nation has gone nuts. I know plenty out there who would differ in opinion with me, but most of America is not qualified or of sound mental health to handle a weapon. Many are proving it by rushing out and buying more weaponery in light of the latest tragedy's..

An assault weapon is any weapon carrying over 15 rounds, capable of semi-auto or full auto fire, used in a military capacity..

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Reply #31 - 12/26/12 at 22:08:41

Retread wrote on 12/26/12 at 20:32:16:

I used to think I didn't care if you owned a 105 Howitzer, as long as you were proficient with it and had the proper training.. I am slowly begining to think this nation has gone nuts. I know plenty out there who would differ in opinion with me, but most of America is not qualified or of sound mental health to handle a weapon.

While you may have a point, gun laws will not disarm those people. Most of the shooting tragedies that drive this insanity were committed by people who could not legally own the guns they used. And they sure were not legal where they used them.

What I am afraid of is what happened with speed limits. A long time ago, speed limits were set by the 80 percentile method. The limit was what 80 percent of the people would drive under. This was rational, and most people obeyed the speed limit. Then we got the "55" which most people found irrational, and summarily ignored. This happens with all laws most people feel are unjust... Speed limits... Smoking weed... Paying sales taxes on mail order... Music and video downloads... I could see some gun laws falling into this category too.

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Reply #32 - 12/26/12 at 22:43:02

All of my firearms are stored in a locked safe without ammo, that's kept in another locked safe. They are bolted to the framing inside a closet out of sight. The +1 is never a safe place to carry that extra round, I never ever carry one in the pipe. To me that's just common sense. I am licensed to carry concealed but for the most part do not. That's just a HUGE responsibility that I am rarely up to. My assault weapons, as some would define them(semi automatic pistols) are used for competetative league shooting. My long guns are high power, high velocity, setup for long range, 500 yds and further. Hitting a 6" circle is pretty easy. Hold your hands with your middle fingers and thumbs touching and hold that circle up to your face... I prefer to hunt with my Bow. Should I have to give up 2 of my 3 favorite hobbies because some think guns kill people? People kill people! Be it with a gun or a knife or a hammer or what have you. BTW my other favorite is riding. Will bikes be outlawed also because they are dangerous too? We loose our brothers and sisters every day on them, some on their own account, some on the account of others. I have good control of my guns and my bikes. As far as the military styled rifles go, I don't see much use for them, but that's just me. I thought I might want one once, but then I tried one. Sure it was fun, but it wasn't what I'm into, just wasn't my thing. I shoot all my guns and ride all my bikes responsibly thank you very much. Should my liberties be restricted, or worse by the irresponsible or unworthy? Undecided

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Reply #33 - 12/27/12 at 02:02:24

Unless you were in the military none of you have ever seen or held an assault weapon. An assault weapon looks like the fake ones the gun manufacturers are flooding the market with but a real military assault weapon has a lever on the side of it. In the 1rst position if fires single shot, 2nd position 3 shot burst,3rd position its fully automatic. Thats a real assault weapon like the miltary and swat teams carry. A Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Rifle doesnt look menacing because it has a wooden stock but its twice the gun these plastic stock wannabe assault guns are. Its a lot more accurate and odds are it will never jam. I could walk down the street with it and no one would be intimidated but I consider it one of the most deadliest capable weapons available. Back to the subject, the US Military and major Law enforcement Agencys do not consider dressed up cheap action semi automatic rifles assault weapns. Real Assault weapons are fully automatc.

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Greg Serious Thumper Offline Molon Labe Posts: 1251 Southeast PA, uSA Gender:	Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon' Reply #34 - 12/27/12 at 04:49:28 Midnightrider wrote on 12/27/12 at 02:02:24: ...Real Assault weapons are fully automatc. If I had to choose a definition, this would be it.
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 13887 Gender:	Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon' Reply #35 - 12/27/12 at 06:07:15 Before anyone goes further, i'd read the article below. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.htm...
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Reply #36 - 12/27/12 at 06:19:00

Midnightrider wrote on 12/27/12 at 02:02:24:

Unless you were in the military none of you have ever seen or held an assault weapon. An assault weapon looks like the fake ones the gun manufacturers are flooding the market with but a real military assault weapon has a lever on the side of it. In the 1rst position if fires single shot, 2nd position 3 shot burst,3rd position its fully automatic. Thats a real assault weapon like the miltary and swat teams carry. A Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Rifle doesnt look menacing because it has a wooden stock but its twice the gun these plastic stock wannabe assault guns are. Its a lot more accurate and odds are it will never jam. I could walk down the street with it and no one would be intimidated but I consider it one of the most deadliest capable weapons available. Back to the subject, the US Military and major Law enforcement Agencys do not consider dressed up cheap action semi automatic rifles assault weapns. Real Assault weapons are fully automatc.

Actually my father is a class 3 dealer and we just submitted my paperwork to my CLEO in order to transfer his AR to me. According to the BATFE I could inherit it but he wanted to see me enjoy it while he's still alive.
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Reply #37 - 12/27/12 at 07:16:35

Starlifter wrote on 12/26/12 at 10:05:18:

Anything that even looks like an assault weapon is enough to elicit fear or terror in most people even if such guns are not capable of firing 30 round clips in a fully or semi-auto mode. And how is the causal observer able to tell if such a weapon fires a single shot, or 30 rounds a minute?

Everyone knows that true sportsmen do not buy these kinds of weapons to hunt deer or ducks. To want to own such a weapon puts into question the kind of thinking that's going on in such an individuals mind.

I don't think most folks want to take away the family deer rifle. Unfortunately, gun cultists are notorious for pushing the envelop on gun laws. If they were truly responsible, and gave a dang about society, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I think most gun control advocates are not thinking of the hunting rifles or such that rural folks use as a tool. We are more concerned with the arsenals that some people have with no practical need. And automatics, high capacity clips and hoarding are just concerning. If your guns are registered, kept secure, you are licensed, passed a background check with a mental health section, insured for the potential damage your gun may do, and you are willing to accept responsibility (criminal or otherwise for what your guns do) then that seems like acceptable and responsible gun ownership.

Keep your shotguns. Keep your hunting rifles, the assault weapons have got to go.

I own and hunt with an AR15 for numerous reasons. Mine is a semi-auto rifle that functions just like any other semi-auto, 1 shot for 1 pull of the trigger.

I own my AR because I wanted to have a rifle similar (yet legal) to what I carried in the Army, I also have a 1911A1 for the same reason.

I hunt with my AR due to breaking my wrist in a motorcycle accident and can no longer grip a "hunting" stock.

Wanting to ban rifles and pistols based solely on looks is wrong. The 2nd Amendment isn't just for hunting.

The true definition (not some politicians def.) is a weapon capable of both semi-auto AND burst/full-auto fire AND shoots an intermediate caliber round (5.56x45/5.45x39/7.62x39/7mm Kursk)

I guess we should ban automobiles next because they cause people to drive drunk.

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Reply #38 - 12/27/12 at 07:16:57

I had a real M14. Sold it when it got too expensive to play with it at the range. We still have the paperwork on the farm for a WW2 Arisaka light machine gun (gun is long gone) and for an A.O.W. (all other weapons) pistol grip .410 with a 14" barrel.

TN is easy, if you pass the federal checks and get your paperwork from the ATF, you can have it. From our farm utility gun (the .410) to a working tank. Want a silencer, get your federal permit. Want a belt fed light crew served, get your federal permit. Dig up a War of Northern Aggression field piece (cannon) and want to keep it? You can, and you don't need any permits (too expensive to play with, one shot costs around $50)...

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Reply #39 - 12/27/12 at 07:50:50

WebsterMark wrote on 12/27/12 at 06:07:15:

Before anyone goes further, i'd read the article below.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.htm...

Gee, the WSJ is pro gun ... imagine that ... Now I think we should just wait for Rush "I'm filling my gun with bullets and my nose with cocaine which I say my house keeper sold me saying it was just headache powder" Lamebaugh to put his opinion and we should be all set.

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Reply #40 - 12/27/12 at 07:54:27

Assault weapon? Who cares? I have a right to own ANY weapon, yes, tank, missile, whatever anyone mite use against me in a war, is it practical? No, Im not gonna own a tank. I couldnt pay to maintain a missile or atom bomb, the thing is the Principle. To pretend its okay to make something illegal because its so impractical is ridiculous thinking,

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Reply #41 - 12/27/12 at 08:13:51

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/27/12 at 07:54:27:

Assault weapon? Who cares? I have a right to own ANY weapon, yes, tank, missile, whatever anyone mite use against me in a war, is it practical? No, Im not gonna own a tank. I couldnt pay to maintain a missile or atom bomb, the thing is the Principle. To pretend its okay to make something illegal because its so impractical is ridiculous thinking,

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Greg Serious Thumper Offline Molon Labe Posts: 1251 Southeast PA, uSA Gender:	Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon' Reply #42 - 12/27/12 at 08:15:31 srinath wrote on 12/27/12 at 07:50:50: Gee, the WSJ is pro gun ... imagine that ... Yet we are to believe the liberal anti-gun news agencies.
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Paraquat Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2206	Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon' Reply #43 - 12/27/12 at 09:29:53 [quote author=7C7F0F3F2C3B224D0 link=1356540487/30#37 date=1356621395]Starlifter wrote on 12/26/12 at 10:05:18: I guess we should ban automobiles next because they cause people to drive drunk. ...and spoons for making me fat. --Steve
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Reply #44 - 12/27/12 at 10:40:51

Of the 23 wealthiest countries,... U.S. gun-related murder rate is almost 20 times that of the other 22.
America's gun ownership rate is the highest in the world... tribal-war-torn Yemen is second, with a rate about half of America's.
No. 1 in the world for the number of guns among the citizenry, beating Yemen by a wide margin and double that of Switzerland where every young man serves in the army and keeps his weapon at home.
300,000,000 guns...
There are 7 million teachers in the US...
307,000,000 guns...
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