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Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon'
Reply #75 - 12/28/12 at 08:28:44
 
That Rf-id trigger lock itself has been rejected by the NRA. We can make it into a bracelet, you wear it when you want to use the gun, however what happens if you lose it etc etc.
Fingerprint tagging is far more idiot proof, its a extension of the rf-id technology. However, it first needs to be open to being adopted. Right there it fails. The gun nuts want a gun that will be fire-able under any circumstances wihtout restriction. That's what happens when nutcase son decides to kill momma and take the guns or grandma killing ex felon decides to kill his sister and set his house ablaze and kill firefighters.

Sorry freedom is not to arrive to help to put out a fire, and get shot when you try.
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Reply #76 - 12/28/12 at 10:09:49
 
srinath wrote on 12/28/12 at 08:28:44:
That Rf-id trigger lock itself has been rejected by the NRA. We can make it into a bracelet, you wear it when you want to use the gun, however what happens if you lose it etc etc.
Fingerprint tagging is far more idiot proof, its a extension of the rf-id technology. However, it first needs to be open to being adopted. Right there it fails. The gun nuts want a gun that will be fire-able under any circumstances wihtout restriction.

What happens when my wife or properly trained child needs to use my gun to defend themselves?  What happens to the fingerprint system if my hand is dirty, or oily, or covered in sweat?  (Have you ever been on the wrong end of a gun?  I have.  Your hand will be sweating.)  So, yes, we want our guns to work when we need them.  Your systems make that a potential problem.  That is why nobody who actually uses guns wants them.  Nobody.

As to my response about the Swiss.  You said there were no women.  I searched for all of three seconds and found 1000.  And you say I am wrong?  I think I am just about done with this pig wrestling...
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Reply #77 - 12/28/12 at 10:50:19
 
The fact about the swiss you mis represented was that gun ownership is 100% ... its near 100% among people who have served. Since 100 women served and all men do, I'd say its close to 50% + 1000 ... duh ...

You're done with the pig wrestling ... cos you have points full of holes ?

Wife/child - get their own rf-tag cloned with yours ? unless you want to get another gun ?

Dirty hands - finger prints still are there aren't they ? Anyway that tech has to be made to work when you hands are covered in dough. Its still in the future, rf-id tag is present ... and been rejected by NRA.

Sorry man, NRA looks like it seeks to arm criminals, jus tso you would buy more guns for "self defence" ... easy cause, when they have armed the criminals too.

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Reply #78 - 12/28/12 at 11:20:40
 
srinath......i'm starting to think you don't like the NRA?
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Reply #79 - 12/28/12 at 11:28:02
 
NRA supports gun control. They supported the 68 gun control act. Ive seen an interview where one of their board members said "No one needs more than a single shot". Controlled opposition, understand it.
Gun Owners of America,, theres your group to support.
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Reply #80 - 12/28/12 at 11:45:46
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/28/12 at 11:28:02:
NRA supports gun control. They supported the 68 gun control act. Ive seen an interview where one of their board members said "No one needs more than a single shot". Controlled opposition, understand it.
Gun Owners of America,, theres your group to support.

Don't forget these guys:

Three primary goals drive the Wisconsin-based human-rights group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO):

Destroy so-called “gun control” (code words for disarming innocent people).

Expose the misguided notions that lead people to seek out so-called “gun control”.

Encourage Americans to understand and defend all of the Bill of Rights for all citizens. The Second Amendment is the “Guardian” of the Bill of Rights.

http://jpfo.org/
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Reply #81 - 12/28/12 at 14:37:35
 
Just watched the Mythbusters chop down trees with a 30 cal. 3000 round pm Gatling gun on you tube. Would that qualify??
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Reply #82 - 12/28/12 at 17:15:31
 
If the Gatling gun has a bayonet lug built into the gun and comes with a large capacity magazine then it is a assault weapon. Don't know how it could be carried under a trench coat Huh
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Reply #83 - 12/29/12 at 00:26:38
 
If I can't drop the target with one shot, I don't take the shot. Regardless of how many rounds are available.

I know wild boar is a delicacy in Europe, but here they are a dammed nuisance. Even the buzzards won't eat them. Many state game departments have issued eradication orders on them. One or two marksmen with 30 round magazines makes a whole lot more sense than sending in a couple hundred weekend wannabe types who tend to do more damage to themselves (high alcohol consumption) than they do the pig population. So few people around here still hunt that I'm allowed 3 doe, per day, from early September to January 6th. And right now we're in a 30 geese per day season.

30 round AR/SK/AK or belt fed shotgun, to me, is just another harvest tool.
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Reply #84 - 12/29/12 at 06:04:45
 
THE LAW (The Constitution) that governs this subject clearly states that we have the RIGHT to have weapons for self defense or other uses, particularly for protecting ourselves against a tyrannical government that would try to take away those RIGHTS.  The men who wrote that LAW clearly stated those ideas in other letters they wrote.  Remember, they had just fought a war against a tyrannical gov't that was trying to take away God given RIGHTS of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  There is a REASON they made this the #2 Amendment...it was considered ESSENTIAL for survival of the individual and the state/country.
The Constitution does not place any limitations on type of weapons, which at the time could include cannon and extremely large mortars.
Point is, we have the RIGHT to have weapons.  It is no one else's business what we have or why.  If someone else chooses not to keep a weapon then that is their RIGHT.  What I have is none of your business. 

Legislating gun ownership by law abiding people has only one effect, and that is to limit their ability to defend themselves and their family.   Does anyone really think that legislation has any effect on violent criminal activity ?  If they do then they are naive & living in LALA land.
Have any gun bans reduced the use of fully automatic weapons by criminals, gangs, etc ? ?  NO, it has not.  They do not go to a gun store and make a retail purchase, so the gun ban has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON THEM, they buy from other criminals....there isn't even any sales tax paid.  Isn't that a crime ???  


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Reply #85 - 12/29/12 at 09:03:01
 
In addition to what Lancer said, which was 100% correct, IF you believe gun control laws work, go look at crime stats where gun control laws are enacted. Then, go look at crime stats where gun control Used to be & look at what happened when restrictions were removed. Its been demonstrated that gun control laws Do Not work AND,, its the Right, its the Duty & Obligation for Citizens to understand the nature of those who seek the power of office. With few exceptions, Ron Paul, most notably, seek power of the position. Cynthia McKinney is another who I think very highly of.
I REmember when car jacking was all good fun for the car jackers. I remember when La. changed their law. They decided there had been enough good people dragged out of their car, beaten, stabbed or shot, maybe tangled in the seat belt & dragged to death & they decided to "Allow" the People to arm themselves. After only a few thugs lay kicking,screaming, bleeding & Dying in the streets, the car jacking game was over.
Self defense is NORMAL behavior. If you are against guns, dont have one. If youre ever the victim, Im SURE youll tell anyone other than a cop who would use a gun to save your hide to put it away, that you hate guns unless a cop or a military man has it.
Think, try to lay aside what youve been taught by society. TRy to consider how you would see things if not for all the anti-gun rhetoric youve had crammed into your ears. Dont just be a parrot, THINK, sit quietly & Think for yourself. Ask yourself WHY you feel the way you do. Ask yourself if its a Normal way to feel. Is it Natural?( how many even know the difference?) Is it Natural to Want the criminals to have the upper hand? Is it Natural to willingly be unable to defend ones self & ones family? Why is it superior to want to be so easily made a victim? Why is it inferior to NOT want to be unable to protect ones self, family & property from street thugs &  tyrants?


Ohh, isnt there a law that says No GUns in or near a school?

How is that one working out?
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Reply #86 - 12/29/12 at 10:26:33
 
Yes and you can "bear" the "Gun" they had when it was written.

You put the black powder in, and then put a ball from a ball bearing in ...

Then fire. Works very well.


You think your guns are a match for the govt ?
They will level your whole state+3 others surrounding you without you even knowing if "they" chose to. These little pistols you got, yes you can kill your neighbor and eat them after they do that. Nothing you got will stand to the govt if they choose to turn on you.

Technology has vastly shifted the power irreversibly to the govt. You can make any darn statement you want, but a gun you have only gives you power over your unarmed neighbor, that is until your neighbor steals your guns and blows you away with them like the Idiots did recently ...

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Reply #87 - 12/29/12 at 12:27:50
 
Why do you gun-nuts...oh sorry, gun-aficionados keep repeating the same old NRA talking points over and over and over??? Yeah, we heard it the first time. Give it a rest. Oh and your misinterpretation (on purpose) of the 2nd amendment is getting old too. You always seem to leave out the "well regulated militia" part, you know, the National Guard, Air Force Reserve etc.
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Reply #88 - 12/29/12 at 13:45:39
 
& you believe that somehow the preamble to "The right of the people to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed" somehow diminishes the right to keep & bear arms? PLease do explain,, & remember "Regulated" back then may not have had the same connotation as now. The commerce clause Says "Regulate" but do you really believe they meant for the fed to have the power they have read into the word? I dont. I believe it was meant to "Keep trade regular" between the states, IOW, prohibit a state from creating a tariff or tax burden on another state to protect its own industries. One wouyld need a blacks law dictionary or some other legal papers that would show the way those words were used. BUT, one thing is certain, the preamble cant mute the last part. Unless of course, they were idiots & were saying, The government can decide who has guns & what kind & the right of the people to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed.

Theres a logical argument for your illogical position. cool, JoG
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Reply #89 - 12/29/12 at 15:15:52
 
Number one, here is the amendment from archives.com:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Number two are the commas. Punctuation is foreign to many people today. Remove the commas and the meaning changes. As it stands, I have every right to any weapon I choose.

Number 3 the national guard or the reserves are not a state entity, they are federal. However any homegrown militia in every state has been called unconstitutional.

Number 4 regulated is not regulated by the federal government. I don't have a first edition, but according to my 2nd edition Webster's dictionary it means organized. Not state organized. Not federal organized. Just organized. I could be the organizer of the Benic Militia and be the only member. It still follows the letter of the law.

Number 5 it does not say that the people can only have a black powder pistol or rifle. It does not exclude a cannon. It just allows for whatever is available. The constitution is not a living document. There is no reading between the lines. It says what it means and means what it says. Get over it. I have the right to any weapon I deem necessary.

Number 6 the militia at that time was anyone old enough to hold a gun. That doesn't change with time. You may redefine the word but that doesn't change the law.

I urge anyone who would like to understand our founding documents better to get a dictionary from the time period. You would be surprised how many words had their definitions altered over the years.
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