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I propose we define 'assault weapon' (Read 1696 times)
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Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon'
Reply #90 -
12/29/12 at 16:39:07
Star; turn the clock back 15 years. Imagine you could go back in time and be governor of Colorodo. Specifically, tell us what law would you have put in place that would have prevented Columbine? You have to be realistic; you can't say take everyone's guns away because that would never had happened. What law would have stopped those two kids?
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Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon'
Reply #91 -
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Greg wrote
on 12/29/12 at 15:15:52:
Number one, here is the amendment from archives.com:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Number two are the commas. Punctuation is foreign to many people today. Remove the commas and the meaning changes. As it stands, I have every right to any weapon I choose.
Number 3 the national guard or the reserves are not a state entity, they are federal. However any homegrown militia in every state has been called unconstitutional.
Number 4 regulated is not regulated by the federal government. I don't have a first edition, but according to my 2nd edition Webster's dictionary it means organized. Not state organized. Not federal organized. Just organized. I could be the organizer of the Benic Militia and be the only member. It still follows the letter of the law.
Number 5 it does not say that the people can only have a black powder pistol or rifle. It does not exclude a cannon. It just allows for whatever is available. The constitution is not a living document. There is no reading between the lines. It says what it means and means what it says. Get over it. I have the right to any weapon I deem necessary.
Number 6 the militia at that time was anyone old enough to hold a gun. That doesn't change with time. You may redefine the word but that doesn't change the law.
I urge anyone who would like to understand our founding documents better to get a dictionary from the time period. You would be surprised how many words had their definitions altered over the years.
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Thats twice as good as Touche',, Great reply, Greg..
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Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon'
Reply #92 -
12/29/12 at 17:29:01
OK it only says bear arms ... who said that it was a semi automatic. The "arms" of that day was a bayonet.
Fill with powder put a shot in and shoot.
It worked great with your "militia" on 1 side, and the tyrannical government troops on the opposite side, meeting in a field.
Today the govt can level a whole city block in a country 1/2 way round the world without even getting out of bed and without putting any one on our side in any danger. Stop living a pipe dream. Your guns are there for you to shoot an intruder in the best of circumstances, or your neighbor in the worst circumstances.
The Second amendment isnt worth the paper it is written on ... not because you are not armed, but because you are taking a pencil to a gun fight if you are hoping to overthrow the govt with your little pistols.
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Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon'
Reply #93 -
12/29/12 at 17:30:34
WebsterMark wrote
on 12/29/12 at 16:39:07:
Star; turn the clock back 15 years. Imagine you could go back in time and be governor of Colorodo. Specifically, tell us what law would you have put in place that would have prevented Columbine? You have to be realistic; you can't say take everyone's guns away because that would never had happened. What law would have stopped those two kids?
I'll answer this ... I'd have to say sorry, cant be done, cos 135 years of the NRA has been imposed upon us, and I cant correct it in 1 week.
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12/29/12 at 19:30:41
srinath wrote
on 12/29/12 at 17:29:01:
OK it only says bear arms ... who said that it was a semi automatic. The "arms" of that day was a bayonet.
Fill with powder put a shot in and shoot.
It worked great with your "militia" on 1 side, and the tyrannical government troops on the opposite side, meeting in a field.
Today the govt can level a whole city block in a country 1/2 way round the world without even getting out of bed and without putting any one on our side in any danger. Stop living a pipe dream. Your guns are there for you to shoot an intruder in the best of circumstances, or your neighbor in the worst circumstances.
The Second amendment isnt worth the paper it is written on ... not because you are not armed, but because you are taking a pencil to a gun fight if you are hoping to overthrow the govt with your little pistols.
Cool.
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Yes, the arms of that day were different. It doesn't say that we have the right to bear only the arms of the day and never utilize any newer technology. You people twist other stuff and insist that newer technology was meant. Why not guns?
Who cares that the government can destroy a city block? What does that have to do with the second amendment? Not a darn thing. I can pick my nose with my left hand while simultaneously wiping my tushy with my right hand so we should abolish the fourth amendment.
And it is my right to take up pencils against a tyrannical government. Just because YOU think we can't win doesn't mean you have the right to say I can't have my pencils.
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Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon'
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12/30/12 at 03:27:40
srinath wrote
on 12/29/12 at 17:29:01:
OK it only says bear arms ... who said that it was a semi automatic. The "arms" of that day was a bayonet.
Fill with powder put a shot in and shoot.
It worked great with your "militia" on 1 side, and the tyrannical government troops on the opposite side, meeting in a field.
Today the govt can level a whole city block in a country 1/2 way round the world without even getting out of bed and without putting any one on our side in any danger. Stop living a pipe dream. Your guns are there for you to shoot an intruder in the best of circumstances, or your neighbor in the worst circumstances.
The Second amendment isnt worth the paper it is written on ... not because you are not armed, but because you are taking a pencil to a gun fight if you are hoping to overthrow the govt with your little pistols.
Cool.
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Using your logic, if applied to the 1st Amendment, would mean that the media of today with all the technological advancements are not covered by this amendment any more and are subject to control by the government. Do you believe the Freedom of Speech for people, for the media, no longer applies ? Not worth the paper it is written on ??????
And what is "the government" ? It is PEOPLE in positions of power who make laws that control all the rest of the people. What if these "people" have intentions that are not good ? What if they want more power ? What if they want ALL the power to control everyone ? Don't think that can happen here ? Why not ? Are we special ?
Every dictator that has terrorized a people has done so by first removing "arms" from the population so they could not defend themselves against being taken over and controlled.
It is a fact
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Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon'
Reply #96 -
12/30/12 at 03:52:32
The Second amendment isnt worth the paper it is written on
... not because you are not armed, but because you are taking a pencil to a gun fight if you are hoping to overthrow the govt with your little pistols.
This statement portraits the very root of the error in your thought process. Not worth the paper it is written on ? ? ? Because of tech advances in metallurgy and machining processes ? ? ? Really ? ? ?
YOUR MINDSET IS TOTALLY WRONG.
The Constitution
IS
the foundational document ...
LAW
... for this nation, and without it we are just another group of people subject to rule by the next dictator. I truly hope you can recognize this, because if not then you are just another sheep standing in line to be corralled, controlled and slaughtered.
The Constitution is
THE LAW
of the Land that guarantees our freedoms, freedoms from tyranny. That is why men and women took up the arms they had at home and went out to fight and
DIE
for the freedom to live as they wanted, not subject to a dictator/king. Do you not understand the concept of "fighting for your life" ? That is what they did back then, and we have the "God given right to life" just like they did. Time and technology does not affect the RIGHT in any way whatsoever. I have the
RIGHT
to defend myself, my family and property from anyone who would try to take them. If you do not believe that in your heart then you are to be mourned.
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Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon'
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12/30/12 at 05:11:17
The Second amendment isnt worth the paper it is written on ... not because you are not armed, but because you are taking a pencil to a gun fight if you are hoping to overthrow the govt with your little pistols.
Srinath;
I believe if this discussion were about the Bush lead invasion of Afganstan, you'd remind us how we should have known better than to think our military might would easily carry the day. You'd remind us how the tribal Afgans armed with pea-shooters kept the Soviet Union's tanks at bay until they gave up and left. If we were discussing Iraq, you'd point out how we're wasting billions of dollars in a war we can never, ever win.
It's amazing what a group of people fighting for their freedom and their lives can do with a few guns....
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Re: I propose we define 'assault weapon'
Reply #98 -
12/30/12 at 10:49:26
Srinath said
The Second amendment isnt worth the paper it is written on ... not because you are not armed, but because you are taking a pencil to a gun fight if you are hoping to overthrow the govt with your little pistols.
Ive been Waiting for this piece of PUKE argument. Nothing gets my hackles up more quickly. The "logic" used to put this together invites ad hominem like no other. NOt realizing your argument actually makes the argument for MORE & Bigger Guns in the hands of the People!
BUT, you want to nullify the right to what defense we have, Because its INsufficient@! Thats INSANITY.. Thats like saying "Well,, that car is so little, if ya get in a wreck, youre sure to die, therefor, you are not allowed to wear your seatblet, because its insufficient to save you",,
& YOU THINK YOURE Making SENSE!!@! Its Lunacy!
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12/30/12 at 12:35:32
It's amazing what a group of people fighting for their freedom and their lives can do with a few guns....
and by the way, I recall a couple hundred years ago, a rag-tag group of men lead by a fella named Washington who turned the world upside down by gathering what little they had and made a stand.
I'd rather have a slim chance than none at all.
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12/30/12 at 13:04:50
Well jeeze, all this talk of overthrowing the United States government.
Now wingnuts, let's not forget that Bush (whom you all viewed through rose colored glasses) was the closest this country ever came to a tyrannical government. In fact if you will recall Bush stated that the Constitution of the United States is no more than a Godd*med piece of paper.
It went like this:
GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the USA Patriot Act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.
“I don’t give a godd*amn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way!”
“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”
“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a godd*amned piece of paper!”
(in reality Bush himself was" just a godd*amned piece of crap!")
Fake intelligence, lies, war crimes such a invading another sovereign nation, torture in violation of the Geneva Convention.
I didn't hear too much of a fuss from you when he was in office saying sh!t like that. I didn't hear any talk of overthrowing THAT tyrannical government... So what now? is the Obama administration a tyrannical government? And all this talk of "God given rights"? Where can I get a list of these God given rights? are they listed in the bible?...must have missed that part, all I remember is that long haired brown skinned middle-eastern peace and love hippy named Jesus....and why don't these rights apply to everyone else in the world?
BTW, No offence but actually our rights came from the founding fathers in the form of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights...not from God.
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12/30/12 at 14:08:01
Don't lump me in there. We haven't had a good president since well before my birth (I'm 48). They are all cut from the same cloth. And as I recall, Obama said something to the effect that the constitution is making it harder for him to make some changes. They are all the same. While we're at it, the NRA hasn't cared about me and my rights for many years either. I quit when Charlton Heston was prez and never looked back. All they do is compromise and use the same tactics that those on the left use. Besides, just because Bush said it doesn't mean that is the way it is.
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12/30/12 at 14:10:21
And I would like you to point out where someone said they were going to overthrow the government. I recall people saying they would protect themselves from tyrannical government. Not even close to the same thing. Although I have no proof, I would be willing to bet that many if not the majority of soldiers would not take up arms against the citizens of the country they swore to protect.
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12/30/12 at 14:12:11
Apparently there are no more excuses to disarm Amerikans so we resort to pointing out flaws in past presidents and complain that the paper the Law of the Land was written on is useless. Now I know why I don't follow any party platform blindly...
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12/30/12 at 14:34:39
So gunners expect to "protect" themselves from a tyrannical government, but don't expect to win (overthrow) the tyrannical government?...how is that suppose to end??
Anyway I respect your leaving the NRA even as a gun advocate. At least you think for yourself.
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