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Reply #105 - 05/14/13 at 15:45:45
 
shovelbum87 wrote on 05/14/13 at 15:19:41:
HA! I love it! its so cute! ohh sorry I know men hate it when I say that. Hell its a better break than I have, I got a vice in the corner that I have to climb half over one of the other basket case ( 84 yamaha, boyfriends mistake of purchasing 5 years ago)  while balancing one foot on a jackstand to try to use it, and my bolt bin.... Ah dont we all love the empty Dunkin donuts cups? HEHE I remember my old shop *sigh* An old dorman cabinet for everything circa 1960s I had everything in order and everything I ever needed. I miss that!
Gotta say though I love the card catalog works great!



Yeah it's cute as long as my wife doesn't catch me making off with the box off ziplocks!  What happened to your "old shop"? Huh
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Reply #106 - 05/15/13 at 04:50:25
 
I had watched auctions, Craigslist and yard sales for a decent bolt bin, and they were all in poor shape and expensive.  One day I say this card catalog listed on Craigslist for $ 200.....and it seemed perfect so I bought it.  I had to take all the rods out, and buy a bunch of cardboad boxes to hold things in as the bottom of the drawers is somewhat open.  I also keep the heavy stuff on the side bottom drawers and lighter stuff in the middle and top.

I used the metal brake when making my battery box, brake line brackets, etc.  And when I need to bend something heavier I do use a vice that I have installed aluminum inserts to keep from marking up the metal.  I don't yet have a bench to mount the vice.....so my vice is just sitting on the floor and it is not very handy.

I have the O2 sensor installed and I have been trying to chase down a slightly lean condition.  It runs great everywhere and feels fine - but the O2 sensor is showing a slightly lean condition when you open up the throttle - then it stabilizes back to a good mixture within a few seconds.  This situation does not happen when you slowly open the throttle - only when you roll on the throttle a bit faster than normal.  The original CV carb did not do this.  It took me a little bit of thinking, but then I realized this condition is normal on the Roundsdlide VM carb.  On the original CV carb when you open the throttle the butterfly will open and the vacuum oprated slide will drop to keep the vacuum high and it will raise as the engine starts to pull more air.....on the VM carb when you open the throttle it is connected directly to the slide and the air velocity and vacuum through the carb will temporarily drop as you open the slide quickly.  As the engine catches up with the new throttle position the vacuum will return and pull more fuel out of the jets.  This condition is why some carbs have accelerator pumps built into them so that additional fuel is pumped into the air stream to compensate for the tempory lean condition.  Now that I know this......I think I am happy with the current jetting and will no longer worry about this little issue - it runs smooth and seems to be jetted well.
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Reply #107 - 05/15/13 at 09:00:04
 
What jet combo did you end up with ?
Needle clip position ?
Stock slide or the one with the UFO ?
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Reply #108 - 05/15/13 at 09:33:51
 
LANCER wrote on 05/15/13 at 09:00:04:
What jet combo did you end up with ?
Needle clip position ?
Stock slide or the one with the UFO ?


The carb as you sent it ran very wel right from the box once the idle speed and mixture was adjusted.  I believe it came with a 185 main and that is perfect as the O2 sensor shows a good fuel/air ratio at sustained full throttle gong up a hill to 75 mph - which is where I decided I was going fast enough.  At steady cruising speeds from 20 mph to 60 mph I was a tad lean so I dropped the clip on the needle one notch to the 3rd from the top.  The idle air screw was happiest at only about 1/2 turn out with the original #15 pilot jet in.  I put the #17.5 pilot jet in and the iidle air screw did not move out much farther, and I then installed the #20 and the screw is now at 1-1/4 turns out.  The Mikuni tuning manual stated you should try and get a jet that allows 1-1/2 turns - so I may try the next larger pilot and see.....however it is running just fine.  The VM carb has an air screw and not a fuel screw - so turning the screw out allows more air to mix in the pilot jet and leans out the idle mixture and also the operation of the pilot jet.  This is the kind of carb the air bleed pilot jets are made for....the fuel enters the bottom hole in the pilot jet and the air that is controlled by the air screw enters the bleed holes.  I don't have my scratch pad with me here at work - so I may have to revise the pilot jet sizes I listed here when I get home and look at what I wrote down.....I do know that I have increased the pilot jet 2 sizes over what was installed originally.  I have a really big air filter now and I may need this extra big pilot jet to compensate for the low restriction from the air filter.

Thanks for the great carb Lancer!



 
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Reply #109 - 05/15/13 at 10:09:44
 
Organawho???? Huh...
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Reply #110 - 05/15/13 at 16:04:37
 
Nice Vice!!!!   Smiley
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Reply #111 - 05/16/13 at 05:20:51
 
I went for my first ride on the Highway last night and rode for about 20 miles at 65mph.  The bike ran just fine and the head temperature stopped just short of 290 degrees.  I need to reset the Vapor warning and alarm lights for the temperature as I currently have the warning set at 275 and the alarm at 300.  I will bump those up to 300 and 305.

I rode over to a friends house so he could look the bike over and ride it to identify anything I may have overlooked.  He has a considerable amount of experience road racing Norton and Ducati bikes and he rode my bike for about 20 miles.  He liiked my bike and gave it a thumbs up......it handled fine and he liked the smooth power. Grin

On the way back I stopped at Quaker Steak and Lube in Milford as it was bike night......there sure were a bunch of Hurlies in all forms.  On the way over to the BikeNnight I thought my bike exhaust was a little loud.....while driving away I could barely hear it over the Hurley exhaust noise!  When back on the highway I noticed my O2 sensoer light was showing my mixture was one or two bars leaner than it was on the way over.  I stopped for gas and got 2.8 gallons which showed I was about 0.2 gallons from my reserve.....so a low tank can lean out the carb mixture!

It is supposed to rain on/off the next 3-4 days......it might be a good time for me to try and get the side panels mounted.  I am not going to try and hide the fasteners....I am going to use rubber grommets and large stainless screws like some of the vintage bikes had.
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Reply #112 - 05/16/13 at 16:30:56
 
Do you notice much of a power gain with the new carb?
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Reply #113 - 05/17/13 at 04:59:14
 
87 savage wrote on 05/16/13 at 16:30:56:
Do you notice much of a power gain with the new carb?


Well....with all the changes it is hard to tell.  The muffler changed, the air filter changed, the wheel and tire size changed, the bike lost 40 pounds, my handlebar throttle control changed.  It runs really well - but it ran reallly well before the carb switch.

I used the O2 sensor to jet the original CV carb and it ran great and was very smooth.  My initial impression of the VM carb is that it reacts much faster to your right hand - and with a small twist of your right hand bigger changes happen....I am not sure if that is a result of the carb switch or the twist grip being a quicker throttle.  THe CV carb reacts a little slower and the vacuum operated slide helps to smooth things out.

With the new carb and new muffler the backfires are different.  I think the number has increased slightly - but they make less noise and occur when I roll off the throttle.  I don't believe it backfires when I shift (however I don't close the throttle completely when I shift and that helps considerably).  I can't comment on mpg changes yet as I have not run a tank of fuel through in a way that I can measure what I used or recorded the miles traveled.

If you have a stock engine and a good running CV carb.....I am not sure I would spend the money and make the change.  If you are doing cam, exhaust, air cleaner mods and want a faster bike.....then it is probably worth the switch.
   
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Reply #114 - 05/19/13 at 06:56:04
 
Oooh, I hated to do this....the bike was running fine and rode great.  But I took it back apart yesterday.



I wanted to get the side panels mounted, and it required welding.  I chose to use visible screws with rubber grommets.  I think it works with the 70's tank in keeping a somewhat vintage look.  For the top rear I made 6mm posts and held them in place with a tab I bolted to the shock mount.  Wet towels keep the sparks from burning things up.



For the front I was able to dril the frame and tap the hole, then thread on the longer nuts and weld them in place.



The right bottom mount was welded to the frame, the left rear mount to the belt guard.  This is what it looks line mounted:


Today I need to reposition the ignition switch, add some figerglass to the front bottom of the seat to keep it from flexing so much and rubbing on the side panels, and I believe I will put grey primer on the tank so it matches the side panels and seat frame.
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Reply #115 - 05/19/13 at 10:20:55
 
Dave wrote on 05/19/13 at 06:56:04:
Today I need to reposition the ignition switch, add some figerglass to the front bottom of the seat to keep it from flexing so much and rubbing on the side panels, and I believe I will put grey primer on the tank so it matches the side panels and seat frame.


Don't do it Dave!! Paint the side covers and tail piece to match the tank. Shocked
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Reply #116 - 05/19/13 at 14:18:20
 
87 savage wrote on 05/19/13 at 10:20:55:
Dave wrote on 05/19/13 at 06:56:04:
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Don't do it Dave!! Paint the side covers and tail piece to match the tank. Shocked


Too Late....the deed is done.  I just wanted to do something fast, as the bike needs to be together and running so I can get a few more miles on it before I go on the Dragon Trip.  The paint on the tank was not very good, and the left decal is brownish while the right side is gold.  I guess the tank sat somewhere that the sun hit the right side of the tank for years.

I got the ignition switch relocated....not sure if this is the forever position but it will do until next winter when the bike comes apart for the final bodywork and paint:


I got the tank painted in primer and mounted:


I need to mount the shocks and put the fiberglass reinforcing in the seat before it is ready to run again.

I did mount my new license plate! Grin

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Reply #117 - 05/19/13 at 14:49:09
 
87 savage wrote on 05/14/13 at 15:45:45:
shovelbum87 wrote on 05/14/13 at 15:19:41:
HA! I love it! its so cute! ohh sorry I know men hate it when I say that. Hell its a better break than I have, I got a vice in the corner that I have to climb half over one of the other basket case ( 84 yamaha, boyfriends mistake of purchasing 5 years ago)  while balancing one foot on a jackstand to try to use it, and my bolt bin.... Ah dont we all love the empty Dunkin donuts cups? HEHE I remember my old shop *sigh* An old dorman cabinet for everything circa 1960s I had everything in order and everything I ever needed. I miss that!
Gotta say though I love the card catalog works great!



Yeah it's cute as long as my wife doesn't catch me making off with the box off ziplocks!  What happened to your "old shop"? Huh


Alas, My Ex kept it all, the apartment, the shop, half of my tools, my tool box, my racecar, my Fiat... But on the plus side I made it out alive and I havent seen that piece of road kill in years!
You live and learn... I learned that if your gut tells you hes crazy... he probably is!
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Reply #118 - 05/19/13 at 15:19:45
 
shovelbum87 wrote on 05/19/13 at 14:49:09:
Alas, My Ex kept it all, the apartment, the shop, half of my tools, my tool box, my racecar, my Fiat... But on the plus side I made it out alive and I havent seen that piece of road kill in years!
You live and learn... I learned that if your gut tells you hes crazy... he probably is!


Jeez sorry to hear that!! But it sounds like you are happy and doing well now. Smiley
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Reply #119 - 05/19/13 at 15:40:18
 
87 savage wrote on 05/19/13 at 15:19:45:
shovelbum87 wrote on 05/19/13 at 14:49:09:
Alas, My Ex kept it all, the apartment, the shop, half of my tools, my tool box, my racecar, my Fiat... But on the plus side I made it out alive and I havent seen that piece of road kill in years!
You live and learn... I learned that if your gut tells you hes crazy... he probably is!


Jeez sorry to hear that!! But it sounds like you are happy and doing well now. Smiley


I have gotten over the loss of the material crap, I just value that I am safe and happy now, besides I now have a normal sane boyfriend! Its all good! Grin
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