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Reply #480 - 01/24/26 at 17:29:11
 
This is what the 90 degree fitting and the drilled screw look like.

(NOTE:  They have not been cleaned up and there is metal chips on them).
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Reply #481 - 01/24/26 at 17:30:04
 
This is what the #56 drill hole looks like in the 4mm screw.

The hole can be drilled larger to bypass more oil if the pressure is higher than desirable.

My piston will probably not be back from getting the skirt coated for 3 weeks....I will have plenty of time to put the cylinder and head back on the engine, and work out how this bypass will work.  I wouldn't be surprised if I upgrade to 1/4" hose......the little stuff looks better - but I like the longer nipple and larger passages for the larger fittings and hose.
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Reply #482 - 01/25/26 at 08:34:42
 
So dumping oil to control pressure with a main jet , in a more useful area , cool. These engines attracted me for several reasons , starter , 650 single and engine is self contained ( no external oil lines ). You’re giving it more places for a leak/failure. I think a small braided line with fittings might be less prone to failure over a rubber hose with clamps and would look far better too. Your bike looks great ! My bike could stand to have an oil cooler for doing 90 on those 105* days , but not willing to risk it leaking. My BSAs all have hoses & clamps & leaks ! All my Yamaha SR 500s had upgraded double top end braided lines to the rocker shafts. I’d hate to hear about you having a problem on the road , oil leaks suck , just before it hits the rear tire. Ride Safe.
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Reply #483 - 01/25/26 at 11:29:11
 
Ruttly wrote on 01/25/26 at 08:34:42:
You’re giving it more places for a leak/failure. I think a small braided line with fittings might be less prone to failure over a rubber hose with clamps and would look far better too.  My BSAs all have hoses & clamps & leaks ! All my Yamaha SR 500s had upgraded double top end braided lines to the rocker shafts. I’d hate to hear about you having a problem on the road , oil leaks suck Ride Safe.


I share your concerns - I don't want an unreliable bike.

I looked around at AN style fittings - they are all much bigger than I need.  The oil bleed/bypass rubber line will essentially have zero pressure, as the restriction is prior to the hose nipple.  The only pressure is what is required to move the oil up through the hose to the head cover, and that is likely very small.  It takes a rise of around 2.5 feet of oil to make 1psi of pressure....so with the flow the end result is likely less than 2psi in the line.

There is no doubt I will watch this thing carefully as I get the engine running again - hopefully this time without a head gasket oil leak!  (Or an oil leak from anywhere else).  I am using an official Suzuki head gasket this time, and I am going to put a tiny amount of sealer around the oil port to help make sure the oil doesn't move around in the head gasket.

If the oil bypass hose doesn't work well and I get concerned it is not trustworthy - it can be easily removed and put back to the bypass in the oil filter housing.
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Reply #484 - Yesterday at 10:06:17
 
Well I got it figured out....I think!

The clutch cover oil feed will be this:
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Reply #485 - Yesterday at 10:11:34
 
The inlet to the head was a tough one to figure out.  The easiest thing to do would be to used one of the valve inspection caps for the place to bring in the oil.  The rear was most convenient - but it is likely a lot of the oil would just go down the cam chain housing and provide no real benefit.  Using the exhaust valve inspection cap would have provided a bit of cooling for the exhaust side of the head, and it would have provided more oil for the left side crank bearing.

I chose this location as it was going to have a better chance of getting oil to the cam and rockers.

This is a tube held in place on my other project bike, I was using it to figure out where there was good access.  It is on the inlet side of the engine between the valve inspection cap and the top engine mount.
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Reply #486 - Yesterday at 10:13:05
 
I had a piece of 1/4" stainless rod, and I made a 1/8" hose barb with a 6mmx1.0 thread on the other end.

I then drilled the head and tapped it for the new hose nipple.
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Reply #487 - Yesterday at 10:14:20
 
This is what it looks like in place.

I need to clean up the shavings off all the parts and then I am going to use Motoseal Gasket Maker to seal the nipple in place.
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Reply #488 - Yesterday at 10:16:24
 
This is a view from the underside of the cylinder head cover.

This was a bit scary to do.....as I did not want to drill through any thin areas that would not hold the threads adequately - or drill through any oil passages!!!!!
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Reply #489 - Yesterday at 20:23:51
 
Drilled to the same size of jet ? Does it have good return /drainage for extra oil ? It’s been a few years since I put mine together I can’t remember. I do remember removing some metal for a better smoother return flow while I was porting it. Oil pressure gauge electric or manual ? I have none , just gps speedo , sometimes it’s better not knowing ,  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #490 - Today at 05:09:23
 
Ruttly wrote on Yesterday at 20:23:51:
Drilled to the same size of jet ? Does it have good return /drainage for extra oil ?


The oil in the head cover that flows to the left front of the head goes down a drain along the head stud - it oils the left main bearing.  Oil also can just fall down the cam chain housing.  I can't see any downside to adding some extra oil up there......you have to remember the amount of oil flowing is coming out of a hole in the jet that is only O.052" in diameter!

I am likely going to make the rubber oil tube up to the head a little long, and temporarily put in a "TEE" and tap in a pressure gauge to see if there is any measurable pressure in that new bypass line.  First the oil passes through the small 0.052" hole that is the desired "limiter" on the amount of flow.  The oil than passes into the 90 degree fitting that has a 0.128" entry hole and a 0.86" hole in the nipple.  The rubber tubing has a 0.125" ID, and the new nipple I made has a 0.093" entry size and a 0.111" exit hole inside the head cover.  The exit nipple on the 90 fitting is the smallest diameter after the restrictive jet - and it has an area 2.73 times the area of the jet!  Any pressure in the rubber hose and fittings will likely be minimal.

The goal of the overdrive oil gears is to bump up the oil pressure and flow at lower engine rpm - at idle DragBikeMike measured very low pressure with the stock oil pump...and this is likely a contributing factor to the large number of failed rockers and cam lobes (made worse when folks lower the idle speed to get a cool thumper sound).

My goal for the size of the orifice is this from DragBikeMike:   So, if you want 10 psi at the cylinder head adjust your bleed orifice to achieve 17 psi at the filter housing.  That would be at 4000 rpm and oil at normal operating temp (200 F).  I will adjust the size of the orifice accordingly.

   

I don't often ride in areas with lot so traffic or traffic lights that would lead to low oil pressure often - I suspect my bike would have done just fine without the oil pump mod....but obviously I am someone who likes to tinker and build stuff!!!!  
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