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Reply #75 - 03/05/13 at 10:43:27
 
Very little has stuck to Obama ... The republicons complain for his being a failure (in their opinion - maybe that is a success) but they have tried to call him corrupt - remember solyndra, but nothing has stuck.
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Reply #76 - 03/05/13 at 14:51:35
 
Bammy isn't a crook.  From a moral perspective, he's probably a decent guy.  He's just clueless, and dedicated to bringing us down the path to either socialism, or at least his "progressive" view of America.
The more I see of him and Biden, the more I wonder how any thinking person could have voted for them.  This wasn't an election for the most popular kid in the senior class - this stuff matters far beyond whose belly gets fed tomorrow, who does or doesn't have health insurance, or what the minimum wage is for those at the bottom.
If we don't quit worrying about the bottom feeders, we'll all be there.  Wee need to start advancing the notions that made America great, not those notions that will dumb us all down to a common denominator.  But a common denominator is what his kind of people want.
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Reply #77 - 03/05/13 at 15:14:01
 
Jerry - that is your opinion. As I see it, the republicons are pushing us into cut throat capitalism ... without labor laws the working man is toast and the republicons want us there yesterday. Obama is just trying to slow that slide down.

Opinions man, its all opinions. The part of the country that voted for Obama probably feels that way. We have all been shafted by a big corporation one way or another. We may have too many bottom feeders - your opinion - But we also have too many rapacious corporations that dont pay their fair share of taxes and shaft the working man every chance they get. I'd rather someone who works to counter that inept as he may be like Obama in that role, than someone who actively supports those corporations and is part of those corporations like Cheney or RMoney be in the WH.

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Reply #78 - 03/05/13 at 15:23:26
 
I understand your feelings, but they do not accomplish the common good of our being a great, powerful, leading nation again.
As for getting screwed by a major company, what do you mean?  Labor is a resource, just like raw materials.  Labor and materials are used together to make the company's output.
What is a fair share of taxes is subjective - but a producer isn't really taxed in any country as taxes are only a cost of production, paid in the end by the purchaser of the goods or services.
I would suggest to Lost Artist that if he feels like he hasn't accomplished what he wants by age 34, do some self examination, figure out what it is he wants, and go after it.
Not everyone will be a business tycoon, I'm not stupid enough to think that all will be.  Being a good employee is honest, worthwhile effort, and is to be commended.  If your employer isn't rewarding you, or treating you like you want to be treated, then either change jobs or seek self employment.  Just don't sit and whine about it or vote for fools who promise you the land of milk and honey.
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Reply #79 - 03/05/13 at 15:31:45
 
Being a great powerful leading nation will not be accomplished by any of the rapacious corporate tycoons from the right either.

Maybe the days of constant growth are to be considered as past.
Maybe the constant inflow of immigrants from poor countries effectively drags us down to their averages.
Maybe the outsourcing of jobs to china and import of goods form china will permanently take us down a few notches.

Or the version I think - Maybe we are the leader, but we are not as far away in the lead as we have been through the 20th century.

Either way, I believe we have the most capable and willing in charge - so would most of the country that voted for Obama say.

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Reply #80 - 03/05/13 at 15:33:49
 
Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 03/05/13 at 14:51:35:
Bammy isn't a crook.  From a moral perspective, he's probably a decent guy.  He's just clueless, and dedicated to bringing us down the path to either socialism, or at least his "progressive" view of America.
The more I see of him and Biden, the more I wonder how any thinking person could have voted for them.  This wasn't an election for the most popular kid in the senior class - this stuff matters far beyond whose belly gets fed tomorrow, who does or doesn't have health insurance, or what the minimum wage is for those at the bottom.
If we don't quit worrying about the bottom feeders, we'll all be there.  Wee need to start advancing the notions that made America great, not those notions that will dumb us all down to a common denominator.  But a common denominator is what his kind of people want.



this starts from the top, corporations used to value their employees and promote from within, etc. . .  today all they do is cut costs and ship jobs overseas.

corporations do a lot of good things, but they don't advertise those things, not as much as they should.

but there is human nature to want the bad things, that's where the drama is, people believe bad things about other people much easier than they believe good things, like welfare queens, if you're poor you're considered part of that group, even if that's not the case, you are considered a taker, part of the "47%" even if you are working to improve your life and are as conservative as they get, your own party will throw you under the bus to make a divisive statement to galvenize the base

anyway, I'm probably full of crap, but leadership starts from the top, the poor can't lead the rich
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Reply #81 - 03/05/13 at 15:42:59
 
LA -
There is more wisdom in your last sentence than you may realize.  Precisely my point, except I would not say "rich".  I would prefer to say the "successful".  Being rich isn't necessarily being successful.  Look at Paris Hilton and her ilk - absolute trash, in my opinion.
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Reply #82 - 03/05/13 at 15:50:14
 
Srinath -What we have in charge may be willing, but a long way from from capable.
When will you realize that GWB has been out of office for 4+ years?  It's Obama's debacle now.
He has spent billions if not trillions in mis-guided efforts simply because he's not a businessman, never has been, never will be.
When you say "corporations" do this and do that, it's over generalization.  Like all things, there are good and bad corporate leaders.  You cannot paint with such a broad brush - doing so detracts from your points.  
You are an intelligent man - please write like one.
We need business people ( male and female ) leading us; not just someone whose only credential is "community organizer".
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Reply #83 - 03/05/13 at 16:48:47
 
Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 03/05/13 at 15:50:14:
Srinath -What we have in charge may be willing, but a long way from from capable.
When will you realize that GWB has been out of office for 4+ years?  It's Obama's debacle now.
He has spent billions if not trillions in mis-guided efforts simply because he's not a businessman, never has been, never will be.
When you say "corporations" do this and do that, it's over generalization.  Like all things, there are good and bad corporate leaders.  You cannot paint with such a broad brush - doing so detracts from your points.  
You are an intelligent man - please write like one.
We need business people ( male and female ) leading us; not just someone whose only credential is "community organizer".


I don't know if business leaders are the quinticential politicians either. government is NOT a company, it's not a just a cost/benefit analysis that the country needs, now, yes over the last 6 years we could have used more of that mentality than usual, but that is not the mentality I'd want running the nation for long term, also business people have a great pension for doing favors, I believe the BP oil "spill" in the Gulf of Mexico is an example of that, permits granted under a favorable EPA administration put safety second and the results speak for themselves, same kinda thing with defense spending and military contractors, blah blah blah

again, the "successful" people need to set examples of rewarding positive behavior, instead we see them cut low end jobs, cutting hard working people off at the knees all for cost reduction to appease shareholders. instead of rewarding creativity, it is taken advantage of and sold out to maximize capitalization.

anyway, we all know nothing here matters, so why waste anymore time on it
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Reply #84 - 03/05/13 at 16:55:04
 
Maybe it is Obama's mess in your opinion ... Maybe Bush's mess will take more than 4 years to sort out ... maybe it wont ever get sorted out. We're still sorting through Teddy Roosevelt's mess as you guys look at it.

We may need a businessman/women to run the country ... if we can find one that isn't primarily focussed with lining his pockets ... else an inept fool would have to be the lesser of 2 evils compared to a crooked genius.

So far all the options presented have been inept crooks. We have chosen a inept fool over an inept crook, and I'd say its the better choice.

Capable - is relative my friend. RMoney was capable ... of lining his pockets, helping his cronies and giving away huge tax breaks to the rich, the super rich and uber rich and shafting the rest to do so. Very capable of that ...

We need a non crook running us ... maybe the best would have been community organiser.

I can go into details, but it is going to get too long and boring for anyone here. You'd have to work through the generalities ... there may be good and bad corporations, but of late the ones that are successful are all the ones who are more crooked than the next ... Walmart, google, all of big oil, big pharma, big food, big gun etc etc etc are all violating every possible rule there is and paying off people to look the other way.

You know maybe we should float a pettiton to get warren buffet in as president ... but sadly paying that man 450k/yr oughta be a crime.

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Reply #85 - 03/09/13 at 09:48:16
 
The $85 billion in "cuts" are not really cuts at all -- that amount represents the built-in, automatic increases in the federal budget.

Two actions should be done immediately:
1. Do away with the automatic increases in the federal budget for all departments and agencies. They should have to justify their budget each and every year.
2. Cut the budget of every federal department and agency by 10%. If the actual "budget" is $3.6 trillion, that will save $360 billion right out of the gate. We have to do it in the private sector all the time.

Politicians say we can cut "$1 trillion over 10 years." That's ludicrous. We need to cut $1 trillion THIS YEAR.

The next step would be to have a $250 billion SURPLUS each year so that we can pay down the $16.5 trillion debt by $1 trillion every four years.
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Reply #86 - 03/09/13 at 17:22:37
 
SkyHigh wrote on 03/09/13 at 09:48:16:
The $85 billion in "cuts" are not really cuts at all -- that amount represents the built-in, automatic increases in the federal budget.

Two actions should be done immediately:
1. Do away with the automatic increases in the federal budget for all departments and agencies. They should have to justify their budget each and every year.
2. Cut the budget of every federal department and agency by 10%. If the actual "budget" is $3.6 trillion, that will save $360 billion right out of the gate. We have to do it in the private sector all the time.

Politicians say we can cut "$1 trillion over 10 years." That's ludicrous. We need to cut $1 trillion THIS YEAR.

The next step would be to have a $250 billion SURPLUS each year so that we can pay down the $16.5 trillion debt by $1 trillion every four years.



One more of those brilliant Pat McCrory type republican ideas where he balances the budget by cutting the unemployment by 1/2 and leaves welfare and other junk alone ... he knows his target demographic ... gun toting welfare cheats ... and those that dont vote for Republicons, working people, yea cut them off at the knees, when they die off we'll be fine, we just need tax dodging corporations and welfare receiving, gun toting bible thumpers.

We need to stop giving away tax breaks to corporations based on empty promises and bogus accounting of "created jobs" ... and we need to tax the uber rich, the ultra rich, the super rich and the very very rich to the tune of the working man. Budget cuts are about gutting the working person by depriving them of benefits.

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Reply #87 - 03/11/13 at 06:13:35
 
Here's what I don't understand about budgets:

A corporation, let's call it corporation A, spends 10,000 a year. The next year they "need" to spend at least 10,000 to get their budget increased to 12,500. They don't need the money or the increase and come December order 1,000,000 pens, 30,000 pencils, and 5000 reams of paper to make up what they didn't spend of their 10,000 budget.

Why not incentivise it? If you come up under budget then you get, like, 10% of the difference back?

Am I clear? I feel it's not clear. What do I mean?
Corporation A is allotted 10,000 dollars. They only spend 8,000 during the year. That's a 2000 dollar difference. The company gets an instant cash check for 200 dollars (10% of 2000).
Now not only did they save 2000 dollars over the cost of the year they also got 200 dollars cash back! They got paid for saving themselves money.

I suppose that's where human nature and greed come in, though.


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Reply #88 - 03/11/13 at 08:39:30
 
Yea, its that great philosophy "You dont want to be found dead with unused bullets" ... only you're fighting a fire, and you've shot all the firefighters.
Yea nothing should expire at the end of the year and it shouldn't get revised downward if you didn't use it etc etc.

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Reply #89 - 03/11/13 at 11:22:47
 
Paraquat; my guess is that the dollar amounts involved are pretty small.

I met a customer of mine a few years ago in Vegas during a trade show. it was the end of their fiscal year and they had $3000 left in tradeshow budget. if they didn't spend it, they figured they'd get less the next year so about 5 of us went out for a big night in Vegas. Saw the Producers from the front row, ate in the resturant at the top of the Paris hotel, they bought a $400 bottle of wine which tasted like $7 wine to me.....

but looking at the big picture, for this company, $3000 was litterally, a drop in the bucket.
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