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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #120 - 03/28/13 at 11:40:39
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/28/13 at 11:15:40:
Sri, did your bike need to be broken in? ALL new equipment has to be broken in,, your ignorance about guns really doesnt bolster your opinions.



Brilliant JOG ... however, my car did not need to be broken in.

Whatever that may need, has to come out of the factory, in fact you remember all the issues you had with the first few 1000 miles on your bike. The bloody cyl head plug cap leaking for example. They should have eliminated that 100% if they were forced to run these buggers for say 20- 30 hours on the bench before slapping a sticker on it and tossing it out. You had a bike that used so much oil you thought you'd go broke form pouring in oil in the sucker ... only to have the factory warranty jerk tell you unless it uses more than 1 qt in 500 miles its not warranteeable - Intruder 1400/1500 and vulcan 1500/1600's were famous for that - guess what, we could have eliminated that by setting a limit on what it can use, and they bench run it and see if it does. I've owned 42 bikes in my life, and would have loved that on atleast a few models.

The whole 500-1000 bullet break in period if there is a $100 bullet tax would make owning a gun cost you $100,000 in the first week. Making it untenable for the manufacturer, and promptly you'd be able to buy a perfectly machined and broken in gun right off the shelf.

We can argue all these hypotheticals, I will be happy to explain any of these - but I cant solve every problem including the biggest one - "Well, we dont want to do this".

You remember those days when a policeman saw you weaving crazy all over the road would stop you, ask you if you were drunk, and if so, they'd give you a ride home. Has happened to a few old timers I know of. What changed to now ? Some people plowed into pedestrians, other cars and other objects. They ruined it for all of us so to speak. Misuse of something brings more responsibility on everyone.

You may say Your gun is defective cos its not killed any one, but I'd say so is your alcohol, and your car. BTW the biggest reason why there is still Drunk driving at present rates is cos drunk drivers are almost 99 - 1 likely to be caught and pay hefty fines to the local govt than they are to harm any one other than themselves. Cops want you to drive drunk, they just want you to do it where they can easily catch and hit you with a hefty fine. We dont make $$ off mass murders for local govt.

A $100 bullet tax will not only make random killings nearly non existent, it will also cut way down on gang killings, drive by's, as well as someone getting shot mugging you for $20. They will need to make sure you have more than a few 100 before loading up a gun. It may make a difference in self defense ... how much is the question. That stat would affect the price - maybe $100 should be $50. I dunno. Someone who spends 1000's on a gun I doubt would be worried about a few 100 more in bullets, cos its a matter of life and death. Still, I'd like to look at it after we have such a law and we can adjust it.

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Reply #121 - 03/28/13 at 11:44:44
 
rfw2003 wrote on 03/28/13 at 11:37:02:
The only thing that a steep bullet tax would stop is the honest legal citizens from buying them.  Those with the criminal intent would just steal them and bypass paying for them period. It's going on right now and will continue into the future.  All the gun laws in the world won't stop those with true criminal intent.  They will get what they want how ever they need to. It's been proven several times over.

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Really ? and you know this how ?

I think it will cut way down on people killing off beer cans in their backyard. I dont see why a few 100 when you're in fear would make a difference when a gun costs a few 1000. That's like saying I'll buy this bike and ride it, but I cant pay for the registration, the helmet and the gas and oil to go in it.

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Reply #122 - 03/28/13 at 12:03:37
 
rfw2003 wrote on 03/28/13 at 11:37:02:
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Part of the feed ramp is on the frame of the pistol and the rest of the feed ramp is on the barrel of the pistol.  Depending on the profile of the tip of the round decides what the fit of the 2 part ramp needs to be for reliable feeding of the chosen round. If this isn't done properly the hollow point round will catch on that junction and you have a jam.

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Yup, true, and you need a hollow point to kill intruder with a bullet proof vest on. Now let me ask you, when he comes dressed for a gun fight, you think he's going to come unarmed ? better yet, you still think he's an intruder ? He has 1 thing in mind - murder. Now if you're prepared enough to know you need hollow points for that, you should also be prepared enough to have a gun that is reliable with hollow point ammo - and if you had to get that relibility @ a gun range you may have to. Sorry anyone who is prepared for battle needs to buy the required tools for said battle. It may be 1000 rounds @ the range. Yea costs more than the backyard, but so does pissing off the wrong people I'd guess.

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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #123 - 03/28/13 at 13:23:39
 
Im done,, thank GOD this mentality hasnt yet permeated the masses..
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Reply #124 - 03/28/13 at 14:13:15
 
I have also said all I am going to.  

Some people just can't see the light of day even with their eyes wide open.

I to am glad his mentality hasn't made it to the masses.......


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Reply #125 - 03/28/13 at 14:19:03
 
Srinath wasn't born or raised in this country,but he has more common sense than most people here.
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Reply #126 - 03/28/13 at 14:57:10
 
bill67 wrote on 03/28/13 at 14:19:03:
Srinath wasn't born or raised in this country,but he has more common sense than most people here.


And that is why I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, I am looking forward to seeing it.
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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #127 - 03/28/13 at 15:31:55
 
bill67 wrote on 03/28/13 at 14:19:03:
Srinath wasn't born or raised in this country,but he has more common sense than most people here.


I suppose. At least as long as you think that a $100 per bullet tax is a "common sense" solution to the violence commited by lunatics.

Making me pay an extra $5,000 dollars every time I go to the the club to shoot a couple of rounds of skeet will most assuredly make everyone safer  Angry But, you know, "if it saves one life... etc."
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Reply #128 - 03/28/13 at 15:37:13
 
The more guns thats out there it will be easier and cheaper for the lunatics to get them.
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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #129 - 03/28/13 at 15:40:31
 
Sri's a nut, certainly not imbued with common sense.
Bill is a decent guy, even if he is a Dem who supports Obama.

Recently, someone posted some stats about gun deaths that tell a truer story.  Most are either gang related, drug trade related, or other criminal upon criminal shootings.  To me, the more of those, the better.  Better to let them rid society of their own kind rather than having to spend public tax dollars locking them up, providing public defenders to represent them, and prosecutors' time handling their cases.
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Reply #130 - 03/28/13 at 15:54:26
 
bill67 wrote on 03/28/13 at 15:37:13:
The more guns thats out there it will be easier and cheaper for the lunatics to get them.


Have you seen gun and ammo prices recently?
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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #131 - 03/28/13 at 16:18:37
 
bill67 wrote on 03/28/13 at 15:37:13:
The more guns thats out there it will be easier and cheaper for the lunatics to get them.


Well, I don't think that it's possible to put that particular genie back in the bottle. The guns that are out there are out there. And there are millions more being made every year. And that's fine. Because most of the people that have, or want to have them, use them responsibly and for legitimate,legal purposes.

I think the writer William Burroughs said it best "How come whenever there's a shooting spree, they want to take the guns away from the people who DIDN'T do it.
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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #132 - 03/28/13 at 16:27:05
 
bill67 wrote on 03/28/13 at 15:37:13:
The more guns thats out there it will be easier and cheaper for the lunatics to get them.



How often do those "Lunatics" walk into a police station to open fire? Once,, thats all Ive heard of, & Im sure that guy wanted to die.,

WHY, Ohh Bill of great whizdum, do these "lunatics" go shoot up schools? You know, the places with the "There are no guns here" signs?

Theyre wanting to kill, but they arent crazy so badly that theyll start shooting in public, where there are possibly 10% carrying concealed. That you support Sri as having common sense does both of you right. It exposes 2 of the least reasonable people Ive had the displeasure to contend with. You both completely fail to grasp the points that lead to the only conclusion. More people carrying = a lower %age of Lunatics carrying. & the more guns "out there" THE MORE LIKELY SOMEONE WILL BE ABLE TO kill THAT IDIOT BEFORE HE TAKES A 2ND SHOT.
BUT, dont let the obvious get between you & your parroting of the lefty morons.
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Reply #133 - 03/29/13 at 05:46:00
 
Lunatics dont walk into a police station cos they have metal detectors @ the door, and take your gun. So you will be unarmed and the only one who is unarmed in there when you start shooting ...

And the fact that you're parroting this over and over again just shows you have no valid points.

The genie will get back in the bottle when people lock every piece of ammo they have cos its so $$$$ to replace it.

Recently, someone posted some stats about gun deaths that tell a truer story.  Most are either gang related, drug trade related, or other criminal upon criminal shootings.  To me, the more of those, the better.  Better to let them rid society of their own kind rather than having to spend public tax dollars locking them up, providing public defenders to represent them, and prosecutors' time handling their cases.

This is not really true. Its largely true ... this is what it is a bit more accurate -

If you are white and die by gun, you are 5 to 1 likely to be rural, and die by suicide with the family gun.
If you are non white and die by gun you are 5-1 likely to be urban and die by homicide.

And not all gang crimes are of people who deserved to die. I know of atleast 1 person who has been shot at and hit, and nearly died before his 14th birthday. Today he is 19 very much alive and a very good kid. And better yet, he didn't need any big piece of work by anyone to be that way. I think a lot of redeemable people are shot cos the gang related crimes are usually good at taking out the low level operatives while not touching the high up in the organisation.

I dont need no benefit of doubt Dane. I also come from a country that has a huge amount of guns, and I think India rates second in per capita gun ownership. Even more impressive is the fact that the average number of guns owned by a gun owner in india is something like 1.2 (as in - 1 person owning 20 brings up the average ... but if 10 people out of 20 own guns that number would be .5) - so more people own 1 gun, and very few own more than 1 in India.

Anyone who says we need more guns to stop gun violence is basically in the gun selling business.

I'll use DUI as an example. A small percentage of offenders ruined the experience for all of us. Same with gun ownership.

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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #134 - 03/29/13 at 06:43:37
 
sirinath wrote:
"I think India rate second in per capita gun ownership..."

Total BS. easy to verify. India is 110 on this particular list and it's not the only list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

"Anyone who says we need more guns to stop gun violence is basically in the gun selling buisness..."

I don't think anybody on here said that. I know I didn't. I have always argued that taking guns away fron NON CRIMINALS is not the answer.


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