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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo? Reply #75 - 03/24/13 at 18:00:36 Well DUUUH, unless you put a platoon in a school, there will be 90% unarmed.. Its that unknown that changes the equation from "Free Fire Hunting on the Unarmed, unprotected",, if theres only 2 guns in a school, it changes the whole game for a shooter,of course, you dont think so,,
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Reply #76 - 03/24/13 at 20:17:02

srinath wrote on 03/24/13 at 14:46:27:

We've gone over this a 1000 times.

It's not the guns that are the problem, it's the people with the guns that are the issue. If more attention was paid to those that have went on those shooting sprees and addressed the problems with them long before it got to that point then the shootings would never have happened.

OK lets try this one more time ... if you didn't have guns at all, but the rest of society was the same, we'd still have these nuts kill people ... yes, they'd need to use knives or baseball bats or ping pongs. OK So lets try the most lethal ... knife - It takes 10-30 sec to kill someone via knife. Someone else may hit them with a baseball bat and end it before there is a 30 body pile up. I'd say a 3 body pile before everyone gets out of his reach. Maybe another 2 before he's clobbered with a pipe.

Nothing but a gun can put a 30 body pile before we get to hit him with a baseball bat.

So since I cant remove all the guns from society, I proposed the $100 in cash per bullet tax. Why ? there is so much bullets out there, no one will lock em up. That makes the guns and bullets a huge liability. With a $100 bullet tax payable by cash only we get all the bullets locked up, cos now they have 300,000 worth of bullets. Lock em up.

No one said the crazy crack heads are not the problem. Guns make the bodies pile up faster before they are stopped.

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I completely disagree here. The next best thing they would use would be IED's aka improvised explosive devices. The materials to build such are easier to get and build, and will cause more devastation and body count then any handgun would.

Your idea on a $100 per bullet tax is just plain stupid. You do that then only the rich would be able to afford to be able to stay proficient enough to actually defend themselves and the average Joe wouldn't be able to because of that tax. To be able to actually use your firearm in a defense situation requires regular practice.

So with this information what would your next tax be, $100 per ounce tax on diesel fuel and $100 per ounce tax on fertilizer? Well that would just drive the prices up on all things consumer related to the point that no one would be able to afford to buy anything at all.

When someone is out to take people down on a massive scale they will use the tool that is available and easier to get, take the bullets or guns away they will go to explosives, which are easily made from lots of stuff that just can't be taken out of circulation. The only real solution is not taking the tools away, it's addressing the real underlying problem.

Another thing that would be effective is poisons which are easily available in the schools themselves right in the chemistry classes. If the kid just paid a little attention in his/her chemistry class they could do quite a bit of damage with what is available right on the school campus. The tools to do a large body count is available all around them. If they are intent on doing it, they are going to do it by what ever means necessary regardless of what tool they have to end up using to get the job done.

I live in a very small town and even the school where my children go have a very well equipped science lab and chemistry lab that has all sorts of stuff that can be easily used to make all sorts of improvised mass devastation and deadly weapons with just a little bit if paying attention in class or some knowledge of a computer and how to use Google.

I could go on and on here with all the ways that the mass killings could be accomplished at schools with just stuff that is available at the schools themselves, but it would probably still not sink in with you from all the posts I've seen from you on this topic.

The quickest way to extinguish a fire is to attack it from the base and not from the top of the fire or even from the side. When the powers that be open there eyes and see that they are just trying to fight the fire from the top and sides and only clearing part of the "food" for the fire, then and only then is when we will start to see some real headway in getting these issues stopped. Granted there will always be some crazies out there, but as responsible up-bringers of the generations to come we have the obligation to make sure that we keep them in line and learn proper morals and what is right and wrong.

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Reply #77 - 03/25/13 at 04:52:37

rfw2003 wrote on 03/24/13 at 20:17:02:

Your idea on a $100 per bullet tax is just plain stupid. You do that then only the rich would be able to afford to be able to stay proficient enough to actually defend themselves and the average Joe wouldn't be able to because of that tax. To be able to actually use your firearm in a defense situation requires regular practice.

So with this information what would your next tax be, $100 per ounce tax on diesel fuel and $100 per ounce tax on fertilizer? Well that would just drive the prices up on all things consumer related to the point that no one would be able to afford to buy anything at all.

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Once again we have gone over this in a 100 threads. You're just late to the game.

OK so $100 tax on bullets paid in cash only - what would this accomplish.
OK these bullets will be sold in bar coded numbered etc etc bags 1 per bag, the bag preserves it forever. That right away eliminates the old bullets from being sold as equals. However the old bullets are still bullets, with a very steep replacement value. The people that have them will lock em up. We will restrict all the related chemicals and everything needed to make a bullet. So you make bullets - yes it will be a long a tedious job to get all the materials needed, not to mention you need to be a machinist.

OK so then only rich people will buy bullets - and since there have not been many rich people spraying bullets into random crowds we are OK there. The bullet spraying tendency for crazies will come to a grinding stop. They cant pay the $30,000 to have a rampage like sandy hook.

Then we come to self defence. You need 300 rounds to defend yourself ? what are you defending yourself against ? a horde of charging wildabeests ? Anyway If you use it in self defence say against a intruder, and call the cops after the intruder is dead, the cops will refund your bullets.
If you must, we can still have gun range bullets the old fashioned box o bullets which only gun ranges can buy. We do a lot more regulation for cigarettes and alcohol. Did you know there are gas stattions where you cant buy alcohol ... and others that look just like those where you can ?

This wont do much for the guy that mugs people, cos he hopes to never use that gun, it wont do much for the 2-3 guys who try to rob banks - again, they dont want to shoot anyone. This will stop those fools that spray bullets into crowds and those driveby's, rain bullets onto a house where they may or may not kill their target - or anyone standing in the way. Self defence - not much of an issue. You will get them bullets back unless you're shooting the repo man and claim he's an intruder.

And as soon as you find people shooting each other with gasoline, or fertiliser or anything else ... we can do $100 per drop on it.

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Reply #78 - 03/25/13 at 04:56:05

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/24/13 at 18:00:36:

Well DUUUH, unless you put a platoon in a school, there will be 90% unarmed.. Its that unknown that changes the equation from "Free Fire Hunting on the Unarmed, unprotected",, if theres only 2 guns in a school, it changes the whole game for a shooter,of course, you dont think so,,

There will be a platoon - 7-8 per school, visibly armed and professionals.

Arming teachers - I dont think you're likely to change the balance that way, many of them are used to dealing with children, they tend to be the "biggest softies" in the world - men or women. You can have an gun and still be cowering in the corner.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo? Reply #79 - 03/25/13 at 08:50:23 You SIMPLY will NOT accept the obvious, will you? Schools get shot up Because the shooters KNOW there is NOT ONE MUTHAFUKKIN GUN there to be used to protect the kids. No NEED for 7 armed men looking all fierce, Just eliminate the 100% FACT that there IS NO GUN there to be shot at the killer.
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Reply #81 - 03/25/13 at 14:35:07

srinath wrote on 03/25/13 at 04:52:37:

Once again we have gone over this in a 100 threads. You're just late to the game.

OK so $100 tax on bullets paid in cash only - what would this accomplish.
OK these bullets will be sold in bar coded numbered etc etc bags 1 per bag, the bag preserves it forever. That right away eliminates the old bullets from being sold as equals. However the old bullets are still bullets, with a very steep replacement value. The people that have them will lock em up. We will restrict all the related chemicals and everything needed to make a bullet. So you make bullets - yes it will be a long a tedious job to get all the materials needed, not to mention you need to be a machinist.

OK so then only rich people will buy bullets - and since there have not been many rich people spraying bullets into random crowds we are OK there. The bullet spraying tendency for crazies will come to a grinding stop. They cant pay the $30,000 to have a rampage like sandy hook.

Then we come to self defence. You need 300 rounds to defend yourself ? what are you defending yourself against ? a horde of charging wildabeests ? Anyway If you use it in self defence say against a intruder, and call the cops after the intruder is dead, the cops will refund your bullets.
If you must, we can still have gun range bullets the old fashioned box o bullets which only gun ranges can buy. We do a lot more regulation for cigarettes and alcohol. Did you know there are gas stattions where you cant buy alcohol ... and others that look just like those where you can ?

This wont do much for the guy that mugs people, cos he hopes to never use that gun, it wont do much for the 2-3 guys who try to rob banks - again, they dont want to shoot anyone. This will stop those fools that spray bullets into crowds and those driveby's, rain bullets onto a house where they may or may not kill their target - or anyone standing in the way. Self defence - not much of an issue. You will get them bullets back unless you're shooting the repo man and claim he's an intruder.

And as soon as you find people shooting each other with gasoline, or fertiliser or anything else ... we can do $100 per drop on it.

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ahhh yes gun range bullets, if you want to use them as your sole use for keeping up your proficiency in use of your firearm go ahead. While most of us know that it takes a min of 500 to 1000 rounds of your chosen defense round through your handgun to prove it's reliable enough to be acceptable.

And spraying fertilizer and fuel into crowds where did you get that?? Guess you totally miss understood what I was saying about explosives being the next easy mass killing thing to use. You don't spray explosives you plant them in an area that will do the most damage.

As for me being late into this no I'm not, I have been reading it all along but just staying out of it till now. I normally try to stay out of these discussions, but with this one and it being such an idiotic idea I just couldn't stay out of it anymore. This $100 per bullet idea just won't work period. How will the hunters afford to hunt at that cost. How will the competition shooters afford to do the competitions. How will farmers afford to keep wild animals at bay from killing their livestock?

I also agree with JOG on the fact that the shooter at the schools do tend to target there because they know there is no real threat to themselves right now because of no armed response. They can get a maximum count in well before an armed response gets there. Now when this presence in put into place as is starting to happen it will definitely be a deterrent but will it stop it? who knows. Will it lower the body count? most likely, unless they move onto other means besides firearms.

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Reply #83 - 03/25/13 at 16:12:47

Yea been over this bogus point ...

This $100 per bullet idea just won't work period. How will the hunters afford to hunt at that cost. How will the competition shooters afford to do the competitions. How will farmers afford to keep wild animals at bay from killing their livestock?

Yea right it wont work, cos there is plenty of nut cases walking around with 3-4 mill to spray into random people I guess.

It was 1 way to not break the second amendment and prevent random spray type killings. I am not here to solve all your problems. Spraying bullets into crowds will stop as soon as that action becomes very very expensive, and when it does get expensive, people will lock their bullets up.

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45acp Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 153 on a shooting range in OK. Gender:	Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo? Reply #84 - 03/25/13 at 16:30:57 a bomb could kill more than 30. dont want to hit that with a bat. try hitting a mack truck with a bat. not tryin to argue. just funny images in my head while reading this post.
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Reply #85 - 03/25/13 at 17:40:31

How would you like a $1000.00 poll tax or maybe hafta buy a permit before you could write & post anything? Taxing things so theyre not affordable is WRONG. Remember when I said I work on principle & you scoffed & pretended YOU have the high ground? You have a very high minded picture of yourself, & its incorect. YOu are a The means justifies the ends kinda guy,,READ the Constitution. Allow people to live. Stop acting like if you had enough control, youd fix it.,

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Reply #86 - 03/25/13 at 19:26:48

i live on and maintain a shooting range in oklahoma. im happy to say that in the past 3 years we have been open. we have seen alot of gun haters come around to our side. i like seeing people who have been afraid of guns their whole lives, get their minds changed by a few good old boys showing them how guns can be enjoyed safely. it only takes one good experience to plant that good seed in their minds. dont let the fear mongers get ya down. the majority of americans still love guns, and understand that they are a vital tool in maitaining freedom. except for the lady in mcdonalds who thought my gun was going to go off in my holster and kill a child. Roll Eyes

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Reply #87 - 03/25/13 at 19:50:55

A $1000 post tax - would be nice it should be retroactive JOG, you have 10 times the posts I do.

No one is a gun hater, I own guns and I am not against them. I cant see a program like a psych profile based committal of people being anything but very very very $$$$$. As in you cant find and treat or lock away all the marginal cases without it costing trillions. Since the repugs will scream about that, its a 0 cost way to put that section of society out of being in a position where they can do serious harm. Your ability to shoot a deer out in the woods may be the casualty, but "You see people are buying cheap bullets and raining it into crowds of children".
You may want to make it so its not gun free, but in the 30 seconds it takes to rain into the crowd no one is going to draw their gun even. However if that same crack head had to spend 30,000 cash before he could rain on the crowd, even if he wanted to, even if he thought it was worth it, he'd not have the means to come up with 30,000.

Maybe it would be too steep @ $100, maybe $50 is better, we'd have to try it and see. It should be steep enough to not allow an insane shooter to not be able to buy it. Which is why it should not be credit. Cash only. It will make everyone else lock their bullets up and not leave lying around, cos the replacment value now shot up.

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Reply #88 - 03/26/13 at 06:11:06

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/25/13 at 17:40:31:

How would you like a $1000.00 poll tax or maybe hafta buy a permit before you could write & post anything?

I'm sure more people would think their posts through before clicking "Post".
...but it's unconstitutional because it now says you need x amount of dollars before exercising your right to free speech.

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Reply #89 - 03/26/13 at 12:00:24

rfw2003 wrote on 03/25/13 at 14:35:07:

ahhh yes gun range bullets, if you want to use them as your sole use for keeping up your proficiency in use of your firearm go ahead. While most of us know that it takes a min of 500 to 1000 rounds of your chosen defense round through your handgun to prove it's reliable enough to be acceptable.

Oooo I almost missed this ... this is a classic wool that a gun owner will try to pull onto a non gun owners eyes ...

You and I both know that a gun is just about as complicated as a hammer ... OK fine its a bit more ... somewhere between a ratchet and a hammer.

So your bike has a carburetor, 100 times more complicated than a gun.
Those switches on your handlebar are too, so are your brakes, and dont even get me started on the engine.

So seriously that reliability argument is hollow, and a complete BS argument. We as a collective (humanity not savage riding people) have been making guns in their current form for darn near 100 years, almost un changed. Bikes like the savage are newer by almost 50 years.

I doubt in the whole life of my gun I've shot 500 through it. I also have never needed it use it for self defence, and I dont live in the best of neighborhoods. But I do have the reputation "we dont mess with the srinath and he dont mess with us" from 1 group of people, and the other group hopes they can buy a cheap bike from me or I'll help them fix theirs.

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