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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #90 - 03/26/13 at 19:33:50
 
srinath wrote:
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I doubt in the whole life of my gun I've shot 500 through it.


In the interest of possibly adding a little perspective; I shoot skeet and sporting clays pretty regularly. I sometimes go through 500 shells in a couple of months. And I do this just for fun. I know guys who compete, and practice between tournaments,who go through more shells than that in a week.

But I guess it would be fine with you if they could no longer participate in a sport that they have devoted years to becoming experts at, on
account of your asinine $100 per round tax.

Are you actually serious about the stuff you post - or do you just toss crap out there to aggravate people? Seriously. I'd like to know.
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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #91 - 03/26/13 at 19:36:20
 
Sadly, either answer results in me feeling the same way about him..
I pretty much have no patience for clowns or jerks,
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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #92 - 03/26/13 at 19:45:08
 
I dont have answers for everything. There is people spraying bullets into crowds. I want to stop that. There is people using guns to shoot intruders. I dont want to affect that. All the rest figure out a way, its not a huge concern for me. BTW you can shoot plastic bullets in some cases, they regularly do that in India for rabid animals. I dont have all the answers.
But this is the problem we have.

Random spraying into crowds. There can be armed people who shoots back, but in the 30 seconds it takes for someone to shoot a bullet sprayer, they've done what they wanted to do, usually they shoot themsleves by the time someone else shoots them.

There are people who kill intruders for self defence. That should not be affected.

You want all the features that let everyone abuse the system ... much like you want all the freedoms of being able to toss down a couple of drinks and drive home, no problem. Like it had been for near 100 years. Then comes along a few fools who cant handle the booze and clobber a few 100 people. Then we're all prevented from drinking and driving. Gee how is that fair. I never killed anyone. Why cant I drink and drive. That's you wanting to shoot skeet or anyone else who's shooting 1000's of rounds on a daily basis. I dunno man, we all need to stop drinking and driving, same here.

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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #93 - 03/26/13 at 21:57:27
 
Srinath,
Yes I agree that something has to be done to stop people from doing these random shootings into crowds and such, But there has got to be a way to do it without taking away everyone's rights by putting an insane amount of tax on it.  You just mentioned your insight on drinking as a point, how would you like it if they put a  $100 per drink tax?  Sure that would cut down on alot of the drinking and driving except for the rich, but is it really the best solution to the problem?

Any regulation to that extreme is a good way to bring about another civil war.  Americans love their guns plain and simple. It's not just us southerners, but Americans in general.

As for your comment on me saying about the 500 to 1000 rnds not necessary,  I guess you have never tried hollow points in 1911 type action pistols.  Not all handguns are designed from the factory to reliably feed hollow point ammo, some require a little reworking of the feed ramps and ejection ports to get them to reliably feed this type of ammo. Even the lower priced colt 1911's have issues with hollow point ammo, as do most of the lower cost 1911 carbon copies that alot of people use to build a nice 1911 from.  The 1911 was designed to only shoot ball type ammo from the factory.  I have also seen alot of different type of of guns that had issues with hollow point ammo catching on the feed ramps what were not of the 1911 action type.  I made lots of money for the few years I was an FFL fixing these issues on handguns having to rework the feed ramps to get them to reliably feed those flying ashtrays.

So pulling the wool over a persons eyes saying it takes 500 to a 1000 rounds of your chosen defense ammo to prove it's reliable,  I think not.  I will not use a new to me or brand new handgun, or for that fact a new defense load in an existing handgun for defense until I at least put 500 successful continuous rounds without a failure to cycle properly after fire.

Sure it costs some money to do this, but I would rather know that my chosen defense round it gonna work with my handgun, then be surprised when I get a stovepipe or a jam because I did not thoroughly test out the ammo with the gun, because that stovepipe or jam could mean a very bad outcome for myself and my family.

Now I myself am not a hunter yet, so that would not be an issue for me, but I do have to protect my kids from coyotes, wild dogs, and other wild animals around here. I also plan on getting into competition shooting in the near future, both handgun and bench rest rifle.  Now if the economy keeps going the way it is, I will have to start hunting to keep some meat on the table, and at $100 per bullet it's just not gonna happen.  SS just does not pay that much as it is, so it's a fight to keep my teenage kids fed already, so yes I've been thinking more and more about starting to hunt some to get a little more food on the tables to lower the grocery bill a little.

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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #94 - 03/27/13 at 04:43:40
 
And you'd use a 1911 rifle with a hollow point no less (I guess your intruders are of a higher caliber than the rest of us) for self defence ?

If you're using it as a sport - which I think you are - you may just have to keep that to a range.

And drinking at a bar is very expensive. Penalties for DUI are darn expensive. It has to be far more $$$ @ bars IMHO, As for alcohol itself being more $$ - maybe it should be. Its one more of those that could be tax squeezed like cigarettes.

You're talking about 1 small portion of gun users. And this is not the self defence. In DUI terms, its like wanting an exception for being caught DUI with a 1908 model T.

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Reply #95 - 03/27/13 at 05:04:11
 
On DUI's, I've heard its implemented this way because that gets the best revenue. If drinks were to cost say $20 at bars, the incidence of "easily catchable" DUI will almost drop to 0. Cops nearly never catch dui's out of random chance, like you drink @ your house, then decide to make a beer run - you will almost never get caught unless you drive past the local watering hole. In a few towns around my house, these cops will be in the bar or parking lot and radio up and that's how they catch them.

Those guys are called DUI superstars. They have no interest in raising drink prices any more.

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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #96 - 03/27/13 at 05:07:53
 
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And you'd use a 1911 rifle ...


A 1911 is a PISTOL. You really don't have any idea WTF you're talking about.
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Reply #97 - 03/27/13 at 06:18:04
 
It took about 500 rounds through my Glock to "seat" the barrel and finally get some consistent groups out of it.
I won second place in a shoot of about 20 people. I lost to a real IPSIC shooter with a $5,000 race gun though.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I sometimes have a recurring dream where my Glock won't function and I have to force the slide forwards.

I am open to suggestions but 100/per bullet is ridiculous. It's never going to pass, it's never going to work. Please stop pushing it. I'm not siding with JOG in slandering you but I'd be more receptive to an idea that could be implemented and actually work.


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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #98 - 03/27/13 at 13:05:41
 
ONS -
Firearms aren't the only thing that Srinath has no clue about when he spouts off.
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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #99 - 03/27/13 at 13:18:25
 
srinath wrote on 03/26/13 at 19:45:08:
I dont have answers for everything. There is people spraying bullets into crowds. I want to stop that....


Our Constitution protects liberty, it does not provide for public safety, and that means preventing the government from being the people spraying bullets and us being the crowds in which the bullets are sprayed. Unfortunatley, we are human beings and life can't be perfect. If you wish to live where your fellow citizens aren't shooting each other then I would suggest moving to China, North Korea, Syria, Iran or Cuba. You should be pretty safe from your neighbors in one of those places (depending wwo your neighbors are Grin)
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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #100 - 03/27/13 at 13:29:31
 
srinath wrote on 03/25/13 at 19:50:55:
...Maybe it would be too steep @ $100, maybe $50 is better, we'd have to try it and see. It should be steep enough to not allow an insane shooter to not be able to buy it....


WAIT!!! Your whole premise for this tax is that the criminally insane are too poor to pay the tax?? Holy Flurking Schnit!!! This is Joe Biden, isn't it...or you are just trying to stir up trouble. Do you even own a motorcycle?
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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #101 - 03/27/13 at 14:09:16
 
Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 03/27/13 at 13:05:41:
ONS -
Firearms aren't the only thing that Srinath has no clue about when he spouts off.



Yup. It sometimes takes me a while to figure stuff out. I'm called oldNslow for a reason Smiley. I actually thought for a while that it was a language problem - that maybe english wasn't his first language and that what he said seemed incoherent because of that. Now I think a lot of it seems incoherent because it just is.

He's got plenty of company though. People that think a lot like he does managed to elect the present occupant of the White House, and just about everyone who holds any kind of elected office here in NY. THAT'S what really worries me
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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #102 - 03/27/13 at 14:23:24
 
I agree.  Ohio went for Bammy too in November, even though we have a Republican governor ( John Kasich ) and the Repubs control both houses of our state legislature.  My son in law is a state representative, and on the right side.
I could write a volume about why we lost in November.  Bammy was beatable, but not by Romney and not by the nearly incompetent way we went about it.  All of the campaign cash was spent in that long primary battle, against idiots like Bachmann, Ron Paul, and others who didn't have a snowball's chance, but who drained cash that should have gone to the general election campaign.  Bammy had millions in the bank while Romney had to spend lots of time fund raising right up to election eve, rather than campaigning.
Then that stupid 47% remark....  On and on, we stepped over our own two feet at every turn.
Read the RNC autopsy of the campaign - it's very enlightening.  We've got to concentrate on what matters to voters, and it isn't gay marriage, abortion bans, Bachmann thinking gays are "cureable", and other nonsense.  In the words of political wisdom, "it's the economy, stupid, it's always the economy".
If only we could have throttled that ex-wife of Gingerich - he could have won, but as we know, Hell hath no fury like that of a scorned woman.
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Re: Why are th goobs buying up ammo?
Reply #103 - 03/27/13 at 15:42:20
 
It would seem that after 7 or so pages of me as Head arguer against idiocy, others who have been following along have joined in. I appreciate that additional logic & accurate reading & understanding of the facts. That we arent guaranteed absolute safety is something I forgot to mention. I guess its hard to remember that every basic part of ones understanding of "What is" is part of the argument, Its just so basic, to me, that safety from idiots isnt part of the American Dream. Freedom & individual responsibility , the foundations of Libertarianism, are what the American dream grew out of. As years have passed & more & more Feel Good laws, trying to create a reality that "Should Be", instead of allowing people to thrive has strangled this nation. & what do the people who want & support those idiotic laws want? MORE of the same CRAP that got us here,,
YES, the answer REALLY IS,, MORE GUNS.,.
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Reply #104 - 03/27/13 at 16:57:15
 
Jerry E. wrote Quote:
In the words of political wisdom, "it's the economy, stupid, it's always the economy".


I don't disagree with that, but I thought Romney hammered that issue pretty hard, and made a pretty convincing case, that he was the better choice to try to fix things, and he STILL lost. And lost in places like Ohio where it would have been reasonable to expect that the economic woes would have been just about the only issue folks were concerned about.

But I don't think that he lost because of tactical mistakes, poor message presentation ,poor orginization, not enough money etc. either.

There has been a fundamental shift in the way a lot of people in this country think since 9/11 with regard to questions of security vs. freedom, and how much government intrusion into their lives they are willing to accept. DHS, TSA, warrantless wiretaps,social media data mining, and routine IV amendment violations at every level of law enforcement from the feds right down to your local town dept, would have been inconceivable in the United States just 12 years ago. Not to mention the unprecedented interference with private enterprise of all kinds. Now these things are part of the status quo. I think what made the difference in the last two elections was not voters looking for a CEO, but voters looking for a Messiah.

I don't know what the Republican party can do about that. A true conservative has no chance, and a moderate like Romney will lose just enough voters from the fringes of both parties to make it impossible for a Republican to win a presidential election in the forseeable future. This just isn't the same country it was a few short years ago.

I hate to say it, but I think the next few years are really going to suck.


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