Dane Allen wrote on 04/04/13 at 08:59:42:


Crazy people do have $$ ... just not enough to buy several 1000. Any one can buy a few bullets crazy or otherwise. Its beyond that it gets harder and harder ... and they will walk to a random place and rain bullets on people they dont even know ? they are crazy, they may, but $100,000 on a 1000 bullets is still a serious amount of $$$ to be spent in cash.

Exemptions etc etc are all your idea. Granny already had the gun and the bullets. If granny had to buy a gun I'm sure she'd buy a few bullets. Anyone that wants a gun for self defense and is going to buy it now will have to spend the few 100 more for bullets. And anyone who has a gun already I'd assume already have bullets too. So I guess I should take back the fixed income exception. You buy a gun now you pay 100 for the bullet. Again we will have to iron a few things out, for example someone shoots an intruder with a old bullet, do cops give them the old bullet of the new ones in the baggie ? My thought - old. But how do we know it was kept well and not sat in a wet basement with rat piss on it.

Again I am not your answer man ... a $100 bullet will really cut off the spraying into a crowd mentality even if they are psychopaths.

Cool.
Srinath.

RF - the criminal - does not ever want to use 1 bullet - let alone 3000. we cant stop them ... they will make the bullet if they had to ... but a criminal is out to intimidate, not to kill.
A seasoned contract killer wants to use 1 bullet to get his man. Either of those 2 - the stakes are so high we cant touch them.

Illegal guns - hard to stop without choking off the ones that need it for protection.

Illegal bullets - see a $100 bullet tax today will make me install a 1.5 cu ft safe and lock up my $50 - 60,000 in bullets. That would be everyone's reaction. Ohh crap, this sheite is priceless. I'll lock it up.

Once again you are purposefully misunderstanding my intent.
It is to stop the crackhead who is spraying bullets into people he does not know.

You cant stop an assasin, a contract killer, or even a career criminal. The difference is, those guys want to kill their man or kill no one at all.

The crackpots want to kill as many as they can. That we stop with $100 a bullet just cos they cant cough up the 300K they need.

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Srinath.

RF - You misread what I said.
The gun control BS wont affect any one except the good people who want em for protection, but wont break the law to get it. So screw that, not ever my idea.

Bullet tax. Let me tell you what happened when copper prices spiked in 2005-7. You'd find computers sitting on the curb, with power cords cut off.
If the value of something goes up, they will stash and lock them. If we hit bullets with a $100 tax instantly the street value of a bullet will shoot, to near 100. Afterall a new bullet is still worth more ... so 100 for new, $99 for "like new".
OK that will make everyone lock up bullets, but also create a nice black market. After all there is still the "how was it kept" mystery.
So we separate the new bullets by bagging them, bar coding them and bar coding the bullet itself. That baggie will make people know these $100 bullets are indeed much better than that unknown bullets. However a bullet stash needs to be worth some $$$ so people will lock em up. My stash could be 50K, or 5K and I'll still lock it up.
So the idea is to make the old bullets worth $$ but not so much there will be a huge black market, still be worth enough to get people to lock it up ... if it stays worthless, it will end up in the hands of the crackhead. It has to be worth $$$. It will still take years to bleed out though. Took us 150 years to get there, may take us 150 to get out.

So leave guns alone, heck include free bullets in gun sales ...
Tax bullets $100 nationwide, get canada to go along, we tell them "just go along eh" ... and mexico ... so smugglers will be bringing bullets instead of drugs. Hey, cant win em all.

Cool.
Srinath.

If a guy sold me a bullet for $100 I would shoot him with it and take all the bullets he has left. I can think like a criminal.

You don't need serious equipment.
You can buy a reloading press for ~100 bucks at Cabelas.
A decent press like a Dillion is 500.

...but congrats, you've just made it more cost effective to bomb people. Something that can be done remotely.
Given the two options I'll take the devil I can see (on an even playing field).


--Steve

rfw2003 wrote on 04/05/13 at 11:19:23:


Aaaah, This topic has been beaten several months ago - maybe you happened to miss that ... and since this site deletes stuff older than 2-3 months I guess I have to post it again.

OK so all you need to do to make bullets is make the jackets, melt and pour in the lead, make the shell casings, make the rim, make the black powder (remember ephedrine - we gonna restrict it like that) and make the primer (again like ephedrine - restricted), and you can then press it all together ...

OK man, as soon as we see a rain of fully home made bullets wreaking havoc somewhere we can worry about how we are going to stop that. Till that happens, I stand by this idea.

$100 tax a bullet, choke off all the chemicals to make the bullet components and watch the crackpots kill people with Pink Pongs.

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Srinath.

OK lets try it this way Dane - I have outlined the steps to make the bullet, its not a bunch of random accusations - he said this and did that stuff - so is any of my steps wrong ? missing ? not needed ? this is a self contained post, not one with several strings to outside ergo - your point of me looking up things does not apply.

So - I did, and I am a hobby machinist, welder, fabricator, chemist and electronics repair guy all of it as a hobby in addition to being a semi professional motorcycle mechanic and a professional software engineer with a full time job.

I know of what you need to do to "make a bullet" what the tolerances so the third bullet wont jam the gun ...

Having to make all the bits you need to make the bullet, and pressing it all in will put it out of the reach of 99% of the population, and the 1% who does have the access and skills (machinists and chemists) will be so busy making bullets for legit clients for good $$$ they wont have time to try to shoot up a crowd.

Once again. We are out to stop crackpots who want to spray 3000 bullets into a random crowd. Not the assasin who wants to put 1 bullet into the right persons head.

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Srinath.

I got it, your point was - bombing people is better - was that your point ? Its hard to see posts here wihtout getting distracted by the prevailing current ...

OK Bombing crowded places - You see lots of people even now try that. Why ? they can live - they wont be involved - and if they are careful and have no prior record (or even if they do) they believe they can be not detected and hence be free and live to relish the thought.

If bullets were more $$$ would more people resort to trying to bomb places. Maybe - however the draw with bombing is that they can live to see the havoc and potentially not be caught. I think that would outweigh the cost savings over bullets.

So maybe we'd see a increase in bomb attempts. But I really doubt it. This is the difference.

Psycho "Bombers" want to live, preferably as free men.
Psycho "shooters" dont care about that. Cos the last bullet usually is into their head. If they get tackled or run out that's when we have them alive.

I think I can think like a psycho - being autistic, as well as having an autistic son makes me a lot closer to the psycho of sandy hook (I think). You can call me Dexter.

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Srinath.