oldNslow wrote on 04/21/13 at 10:51:33:

That may or may not be the case, especially with rooted phones running newer Android...  But there are lots of cases of Cops getting OnStar turned on for them.

Privacy, like the Post Office, the Cheque, the book, music etc is one of the nine things that will disappear in our life time.

houstonbofh wrote on 04/21/13 at 14:14:56:


Yeah, that is pretty bad. There should be lawsuits but I don't think Justice has a place in society any longer.

apache snow-FSO wrote on 04/21/13 at 10:41:21:

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. This was written by Franklin, within quotation marks but is generally accepted as his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin (1818). A variant of this was published as:
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
This was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759); the book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts that were used in it.


Cell phones work.. in of of themselves via triangluation, in order to connect to the most "powerful/nearest" cell tower. Thus a phone that is on is constantly attempting to connect to the cell network. ( You can prove this by taking a cell someplace with no cell access and watch as the battery drains in short order trying to connect).
Therefore, yes, someone that walks around with a cell phone creates a history of every place they( with thier phone) have been.

I am a firm believer in the quote above as attributed to Franklin. Further, it would be MY position that anyone advocating ANY diminishing of liberty in persuit of security does not have the best interest of the greater good at heart, but mearly thier own self interest.

PS: I like this thread, though I would have thought it more correct for Tall table... still i posted this not long ago ( in tall table) :

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1366213621

So when it come to "money" or some aspects of it... already there is a mandate to break ranks with a government fiat.. for ???? not even sure what to call it.. other than "cryptocurrency".

The world IS changing.... but is it for the better? I wish I could be on the side that thinks so, sadly I am not.

But then I am an anglosaxon of european descent, gun toting, quinquagenarian libertarian biker.... who cares about me?  I am the wrong demographic to be alive.

Bloop!...

Congratulations!... the last couple of posts just pushed it over the edge...
You're in the TT now...
Knock yerselve's out... ...

For the record,... evolution,... for the past 3,000 years... has been driven by technology instead of biology...
Even the forefathers understood this... although they couldn't possibly anticipate it...
That's why they allowed for a little... flex... in the rulebook...
Sometimes, I'm keeping up,... sometimes, I'm wearin' cement loafers...
... but,.. the wheels don't stop...
...

Jiggyfly wrote on 04/22/13 at 22:55:44:

This is the crux of the issue...  
The cops weren't just looking for the two guys that done it..., but, possible conspirators that were aiding, and harboring them...
They were searching for people that weren't their right mind, and weren't on any list or street-cam printout... and were hoping for more destruction...

Just sayin'...  
That search was ugly... but, it might, potentially  have saved a lot of lives...
In the cops defense.... they are acting on present knowledge... not with 20/20 hindsight...

I get it... I have several guns myself...
I admire their precision of build and accuracy,..and have the typical male..."cause and effect,.. at a distance" syndrome that effects most of us... (just a personal theory... we instinctively like things that have have effect at a safe distance... as a part of our defensive intuition)... ie,.. remotes, cell phones, guns, even internet communications...

Let me point out,...that, as against chivalry as it may be...
Women, can be as protective supporters of their loved ones, as males... even more so...
Women, terrorists are no longer a hypothetical possibility...

Personal defense,.. is not reasonable in circumstances that involve the safety of potential thousands of innocent people...  
We do, as a whole, give away that personal right and protection, in the best interest of our community...

This is a new development, in the evolution of cultural attack...
It must be accounted for...

I'm not a total pacifist... and I have entered many situations with personal defense as a priority,...
...willing to use whatever means available without any concern for the opposition...
... but,... if the authorities are looking for mass murdering terrorist and his unknown cohorts... I understand, it isn't personal, and will cooperate...
It is in my best interests, and that of my fellow neighbors...

You can defend your life, personally, against an aggressor....
... but, when it comes to the law.... you must acquiesce... and fight your battle in court...
It is an agreement we make, in order to live in a civilized world...