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This should end the debate
07/20/13 at 15:33:05
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls&feature=player_embedded

about 10 minutes & covers the bases well.. If you STILL believe tray is just some poor innocent kid gunned down by a "White Hispanic" racist after this, youre unwilling to accept truth.
Yep,, this for you, S.
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Reply #1 - 07/20/13 at 16:44:44
 
Nice,... character assassination of dead child...

How 'bout Zimm's record of assaulting a police officer,... or restraining order from his ex-fiancee?...
I guess those things don't matter... Huh...
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Reply #2 - 07/20/13 at 16:44:52
 
Does it....?
I think it will only fuel it.  

I won't debunk the charge/observation by the host, for I am not versed in all he reveals. What I can do is offer my own observation and summation, as to what I think transpired. As with any story as this, no one holds the ability to predict the "what if" because it can never be made fact. What I do believe is this "ending" was the result of undo pressure applied against our legal system for their own personal reasons/beliefs/promotions.
I feel the proper charge should have been manslaughter. I say this under reasoning of this analogy: You have a good hard working person who agrees with some co-workers to stop off at the local beer bar to catch a few after work...
He knows his limit, and he abides to it, and begs off after only drinking a beer or two. He drives home under the legal limit and is enjoying himself from having put in a good week at work, and socializing with his friends....
He decides he needs some tunes to help enhance his mellowness. He reaches down to his car radio, turning it on, trying to find the right station and tune.....
He didn't see the kids dart out into the crosswalk as he glanced quickly down.
The kids were killed.....

Now, were the kids responsible in not looking out to make sure any traffic saw them, yes. Was the guy driving distracted momentarily by his own actions, yes. Did the consuming even a legal amount of alcohol contribute to this tragedy,I think so.

Remove anyone of these "links in the chain" and it most likely would never had happen.

Zimmerman by getting out and pursuing was the first link that set up the event to unfold the way it did. For that he shares responsibility in the outcome. Does Martin, absolutely, but he has already paid the ultimate price for his actions.

This sad stuff happens day in and day out, every day....
It is the deal we make with the powers that be that grant us life, no one ever escapes it, death... of the flesh.

What tainted this story was indeed people trying to use this sad story for their own person reason(s).
Is it right to try a person before he has his day in court...is it? I think not, a "free press" is NOT carte blanc to print whatever you desire. How can anyone, white, black, gay, straight, etc, ever defend themselves against that sort of publicity without jeopardizing their legal case which is guaranteed to ALL in this nation? They undermine the very thing that separates our legal system from many others around the world....and that is innocent until PROVEN guilty....

I hold most of the media in contempt, the naming of the 777 pilots being a good example to their demise from the days of journalistic integrity trumping personal desires.

I do find hope in the access of the INTERNET where instant and total recall hopefully won't let lies ans deceit find root.

   



 
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Reply #3 - 07/20/13 at 18:32:46
 
Serowbot wrote on 07/20/13 at 16:44:44:
Nice,... character assassination of dead child...

How 'bout Zimm's record of assaulting a police officer,... or restraining order from his ex-fiancee?...
I guess those things don't matter... Huh...



Bot....does the character assignation of either party serve our system of justice? I think that was his point.....

By the press altering the 911 call and publishing outdated pictures of Martin gives some credence to his claim of "lynching"

Martin was NOT on trial and nothing of his past should be relative or material to this case. The speculation of his drug cooking and resulting personality has no legal theory grounds other than it was a "stand you ground" defense because the charge of murder was leveled when it should never have been. By that claim it let in this defense. With manslaughter, it would not have been allowable, or do I dare say, used.

To further remark upon character assignation of a plaintiff (moving party) I can't imagine how many forcible rapes never see the courtroom, as the "victim" quickly has to defend their past behavior, etc.
I remember distinctly how "funny" it was when someone in the Clinton defense/media spin team said you could drag a 20 dollar bill through a trailer court and Paula Jones would show up (or something to that effect).
I was thankful she was not my daughter for I just might have shown them what I think was funny about castration.....

So much of the political/media spectrum is destructive upon our system of democracy. Until people refuse to be useful fools, it won't change I'm sorry to say.
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Reply #4 - 07/20/13 at 18:52:29
 
Serowbot wrote on 07/20/13 at 16:44:44:
Nice,... character assassination of dead child...

How 'bout Zimm's record of assaulting a police officer,... or restraining order from his ex-fiancee?...
I guess those things don't matter... Huh...


You know what it takes to get "assaulting a cop" ? Rolling up in a ball while they beat you.. youll need to do better,, need some details,

restraining orders? Common,, abused regularly,,
need details.

take the facts apart.
mentoring black kids, went to bat for the black guy the cop beat up,,

6 women saw the state had failed to make their case. Id bet there were more facts before them than we have. I accept the verdict.
Anyone who doesnt is a conspiracy theorist..
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Reply #5 - 07/20/13 at 19:18:07
 
"By the press altering the 911 call".

Yes they did do that. They removed the word 'coon' to tone it down for Zippy's benefit. It was on the original tape.

But, that's all water over the dam now.

Zippy beat the system, beat the rap, committed murder and walked.

No reason for any of us to continue to beat a dead horse.

Case closed.
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Reply #6 - 07/20/13 at 19:43:04
 
Starlifter wrote:

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No reason for any of us to continue to beat a dead horse.

Case closed.


Wishfull thinking. You been watching the news? There are a whole bunch of folks who aren't likely to ever let this case be closed if they can help it. Sharpton,Jackson, Martin's Parents, Chris Matthews, Nancy Grace,just about everyone at CNN, MSNBC, FOX, almost all the dumbass Hollywood nitwits, and let's not forget Holder and Obama.... And just to be clear, not a single one of the folks I mentioned actually give a rat's ass about Martin,Zimmerman, or justice, regardless of what you or I happen to think the outcome should have been. They will run with this as long as they can keep the country riled up because it's usefull to THEM to do that.
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Reply #7 - 07/20/13 at 19:50:26
 
"keep the country riled up because it's usefull to THEM to do that".

...how is that usefull to 'them'?
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Starlifter wrote on 07/20/13 at 19:50:26:
"keep the country riled up because it's usefull to THEM to do that".

...how is that usefull to 'them'?


Fomenting racial animosity is Sharpton and Jackson's stock and trade.
The media will keep this stirred up for ratings and advertising revenue. The Hollywood a**wipes will jump on any cause they can if it gets them attention. Keeping blacks pissed off at conservative whites - who they percieve as agreeing with the verdict and therefore racist, is politically usefull to Democrats- hence Holder and Obama etc. want the controversy to go on. Nancy Grace just needs another case to yap about for the next couple of years on her stupid TV show.

Look, I'm not arguing with you about wishing the case would go away now that the trial is over. I'm just pretty sure that that's not likely to happen any time soon.
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Reply #9 - 07/20/13 at 21:54:37
 
the news station edited out the question about "can you see what race he is" then the answer,
'''''''''''''" he looks bl;ack" became a racial thing
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Reply #10 - 07/21/13 at 09:23:59
 
Starlifter wrote on 07/20/13 at 19:18:07:
"By the press altering the 911 call".

Yes they did do that. They removed the word 'coon' to tone it down for Zippy's benefit. It was on the original tape.



Who deleted that?
If that was part of the 911 tape it can NOT be altered, period.
That is admissible evidence in court in trying to establish possible motivation.
I never heard of such a claim. Can you elaborate more upon this?
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Reply #11 - 07/21/13 at 09:28:06
 
what was in court was the full tape, im sure
the news messed with it to make zim look racist
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Reply #12 - 07/21/13 at 16:31:23
 
Nothing of the sort like that happened, nothing was deleted.no one removed coon,  but they absolutely edited the tape before they broadcast it.  Just like the lie that zimmerman pursued martin after he was told not to, there are people who's careers, whose livelihoods depend upon constant racial strife. They do not want an honest conversation about race, they want one that keeps the issue alive.
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Reply #13 - 07/21/13 at 16:34:14
 
yes, the news report deleted the question

can you tell if he is black or white

he answered
he looks black

so, the edited 911 call comes out with zim STATING
he looks black

not in answer to a question
but to make him appear to be concerned because
he looks black
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Reply #14 - 07/22/13 at 04:48:27
 
The civil-rights leadership rallied to Trayvon's cause (and not to the cause of those hundreds of black kids slain in America's inner cities this very year) to keep alive a certain cultural "truth" that is the sole source of the leadership's dwindling power. Put bluntly, this leadership rather easily tolerates black kids killing other black kids. But it cannot abide a white person (and Mr. Zimmerman, with his Hispanic background, was pushed into a white identity by the media over his objections) getting away with killing a black person without undermining the leadership's very reason for being

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