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Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version
Reply #15 - 03/30/14 at 10:17:57
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 03/30/14 at 01:16:08:

Art, you have an XP PC that you have had for multiple years.  

Believe it or not, most folks running an XP machine did so because there WASN"T anything else available at the time, 'cept a Mac and it cost too much to even be a consideration.    

They bought a powerful independent processor based computing machine with a lot of horsepower to do ---- practically nothing, really.

Most folks held down a PC and didn't do anything more than type occasionally on a word processor, fill in a spreadsheet or two and maybe play a game or two.   Going on line every day was most of the task load handed to a $2,000 PC to do.

So, look around now -- a $80 tablet can do all of that very easily except for the typing part.

A $179 chrome box can certainly do all of it, including the typing.

And so can your old hardware actually
because THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR ACTUAL HARDWARE A NEW OS WOULDN'T FIX VERY HANDILY.

Can you stick a DVD in the DVD drive and reboot your machine and make a dozen clicks with a mouse?

That will set you up a dual boot machine if the new installer on Mint is as good as they say it is.


I actually bought mine as a refurb, it's a Dell Dimension 8300, and aside from spreadsheets, web is most of what I do with it
I have considered a chromebook, or even a tablet (I would want one with a real keybord)
I use my computer for hours per day though, sometimes surfing all day long, so unless the tablet can be run literaly all day battery life would be a problem
I am thinking about Linux, but it won't be out for a month after XP loses support, unless I do 16, and learning a new OS will be a bit problematic, though my phone is an android, so I guess I'm using linux a bit already
what about transfering my passwords, etc from XP to Linux? I honestly don't remember my password for every forum I'm on  Grin

to be honest if my phone had a keyboard an a big enough screen I's just us it and dissconnect my PC from the interwebs
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Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version
Reply #16 - 03/30/14 at 10:48:37
 
If you are set on changing, go with the mint 16, its already to go and you can do the dual boot and learn Linux before 17 comes out.
Heck I went with mint 15 and am having fun with it.
But if I were you I would get all my passwords from you favorite sites (redo them if you have to) and put them in a file named something you will remember (cookie recipes or something silly) and save it on the laptop or thumbdrive .
You will create a new login name and password for your mint.
Really its easy peasy, I put in the thumb drive I copied it to and used my windows to open it and it installed from there on its own.
Selected the dual boot / partition and off it went.
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Reply #17 - 03/30/14 at 11:30:29
 
Oldfeller you said an $80 Tablet could probably do what I want, browsing wise
I am very unsavvy tech wise, can they be run on wired internet? will they run multiple tabs?
I could do all my browsing from a smaller machine and keep the XP for the bit of offline stuff I do
I see one $80 tablet at walmarts's website, though it's only 7 inch screen
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Proscan-7-Tablet-8GB-Memory-with-Bonus-Keyboard-Cas...
does have a keybord for when I want one
then I could lay in bed and browse, instead of sitting at a dest  Grin
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Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version
Reply #18 - 03/30/14 at 11:43:28
 
I've not seen a tablet with wired network yet.  I am sure there is one out there somewhere but I haven't seen one or an advert for one.
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Reply #19 - 03/30/14 at 11:58:49
 
There are smaller "e machines" that will hard wire to the net, but almost all tablets are "wireless", you would have to buy a router to add to your modem... not hard really most are plug and play, and fairly inexpensive (below $100).
That way you could run everything, phones, tablets ect......

I have the older kindle fire and it works great when out and about, but not like a true laptop (no mouse, keypad ect) and I switch between windows (no tabs).
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Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version
Reply #20 - 03/30/14 at 13:46:50
 
Art Webb wrote on 03/30/14 at 11:30:29:
Oldfeller you said an $80 Tablet could probably do what I want, browsing wise
I am very unsavvy tech wise, can they be run on wired internet? will they run multiple tabs?
I could do all my browsing from a smaller machine and keep the XP for the bit of offline stuff I do
I see one $80 tablet at walmarts's website, though it's only 7 inch screen
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Proscan-7-Tablet-8GB-Memory-with-Bonus-Keyboard-Cas...
does have a keybord for when I want one
then I could lay in bed and browse, instead of sitting at a dest  Grin



Modern stuff, you lay in bed and talk to it to write something.   I have done this lots of times, watched movies and TV in bed too.  

If you still sleep with your wife, she won't appreciate the talking or the TV and any other stuff though -- she doesn't even like me reading in bed because I will laugh at stuff sometimes.

I don't think any mobile anything has a Cat5 jack on it -- it is all wireless Wifi, LTE radio and short range bluetooth nowadays.

You can't buy a printer that won't do wifi printing from a mobile device any more.

My Samsung Galaxy III phone has totally done spoilt me for all old style devices any more --- it literally does everything and the little 5" screen is clear enough to watch a movie in bed (it is up close to your face after all).
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Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version
Reply #21 - 03/30/14 at 15:05:34
 

http://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/english_15.0.pdf


is a very good source for the entire installation enchalada, and now I don't have to go write one myself.

Yay !!!    Go Mint guys !!!

The installer now does not require any of the stuff you used to have to do in Windows so it got A LOT EASIER for people to do.   I will go up thread and remove all the instruction stuff and replace it with this.
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Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version
Reply #22 - 03/30/14 at 15:23:40
 
oldNslow wrote on 03/30/14 at 06:06:15:
Oldfeller wrote:

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That will set you up a dual boot machine if the new installer on Mint is as good as they say it is.


It is. At least the one on the Mint Mate 16 DVD that I used is.

This will walk someone through the whole process:

http://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/english_15.0.pdf

Quick question. When the April 8 day of doom rolls around can I just uninstall IE and Chrome from the XP side of my computer and be assured that it is then just a stand alone ? Seems so, but I'm not savvy enough to know if there is still a way for stuff to sneak in. It's still going to be connected to my cable modem and the wireless router that the other gadgets in the house use - Kindle, wife's laptop and and tablet (win 7 and Android) and the kids smartphones when they are over.


Having had XP die on a dual boot machine, I can tell you exactly what can happen.   You will boot up XP to go do something and you will be going about doing it on line and suddenly everything will act strange, mine grew a few extra lines on the browser for a Yahoo ad bar and changed my default browser and all my click icons suddenly led to strange places now.

A standard reboot to XP failed, repeatedly.    A reboot to XP's Safe Mode damage control module worked, but all the bars and icons were still messed up.   I tried to go to System Restore, but found I suddenly didn't have any restore points, they were all wiped and System Restore was deactivated as were all my anti-virus programs.   Not even Malwarebytes would run.

So, I rebooted to Mint and did some investigation and found that there was a fix and I tried to do it, but my boot sector on my Windows drive C:  hard drive showed that it had been damaged as well.

So I just continued to use Linux for months and months -- next time it came time to upgrade LTS versions I just gave it the whole hard drive.

Odd thing, Linux never did report anything bad about the boot sector at all, I think the worm was mebbe just lying to XP's detection programs.  

Or else Linux just does the whole thing so much differently that the damaged areas were just marked as bad and the Linux format tool just went on past the scrambled sectors of the hard drive.

Who knows?   The evil thing blew my Windows completely out of the water and even killed the Windows drive C: but it didn't even scratch the paint on my red Linux suit.

What will happen to you will likely be similar.
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Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version
Reply #23 - 03/30/14 at 17:53:28
 
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Having had XP die on a dual boot machine, I can tell you exactly what can happen.   You will boot up XP to go do something and you will be going about doing it on line and suddenly everything will act strange, mine grew a few extra lines on the browser for a Yahoo ad bar and changed my default browser and all my click icons suddenly led to strange places now.


But if there is no browser running - or even still installed -  on the XP side of the machine can something like this still happen.? Just because the computer is still physically connected to a modem ? I don't intend to use XP except to run a few programs that are already installed on that part of the machine; no internet running.
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Reply #24 - 03/30/14 at 19:00:03
 

No browser installed, not going on the web -- then yes, your XP will last much longer.

Your only sources of infection then are locally installed media and the infamous around the elbow attack.

How fancy can an around the elbow attack be?   Very fancy -- here is just one example.

There was once a D-Link router that ran on Linux that wasn't locked down as far as where it could go in your machine.  

Some clever boy out there was participating in attempts to turn a common D-Link router into a linux PC box (and yes, you can do this) and he though, "Why don't I use what I now know to stick a root kit into the wide open Windows drive C: boot partition from the router's open accesses and permissions to the entire machine".   And he did.

Mind you, he couldn't play with the Linux partitions as they were all locked down in the kernel, but he could side door into Windows Drive C: while the PC wasn't even technically "on" or if it was "on" not technically doing anything.  The router is always on and always connected to the PC and at that time all of its resources.   The actual computing was taking place in the router itself (all routers are little computers BTW).

His exploit got plugged by Linux, and by D-Link and by Windows very very shortly.

Also, if you ever agree to go to a site or agree to download ANYTHING no matter how innocent (say a free software tool or a game) then don't be surprised if other things can sometimes come along for the ride.

Clam AV (the free Linux anti-viral) simply says that you need to have it running on your freestanding Linux machine "to protect all the Windows machines that you may eventually touch or share a file with".   Linux can't be harmed by much, this is true, but Windows is a notoriously easy target to get to from the Linux side.  

So, using Linux to get at the Windows machine is a well known pathway.

Sandboxing (as used by Chrome boxes and books) is another trick to keep contamination from going from Sandbox A to Sandbox B to Windows drive C:

Chrome OS keeps all activities separate by running a separate complete small fast little red Chrome guy in each locked down separated sandbox.   Here they are, see how each little red Chrome guy is standing in his own separate little private sandbox waiting for something to clobber upon.  



Chrome OS works like that, very secure and virus proof as if one little Chrome guy gets tricked and overcome by something nasty out there on the web then the other little Chrome guys are not affected by it at all.   That one sandbox gets closed and scrubbed, the rest stay open and healthy.  Each tab (or open web page) is in its own separate little world.  

The overall OS schedules a powerwash (OS full chksum reload) at the very next boot if there is an incident seen in any sandbox.   And since Chrome OS is so small and light, this only takes 20-30 seconds to do.

Chrome OS has a very rigorous design and enough layers of backup protection that not much is every going to make it through the layers.   And some of these layers of protection are in and actually part of the Google Server Farm structure that does a lot of the heavy lifting in Chrome OS's world.

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You might fool a little red Chrome Guy, but can you fool Google's huge constantly updated Server that your program filters through?    

Nope, didn't think so.
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Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version
Reply #25 - 03/30/14 at 19:35:49
 
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Using Linux to get at the Windows machine is a well known pathway.


Wow ! I had no idea that was even possible.

So anyone running a dual boot machine should install Clam AV, stay off line on the windows side, and hope for the best ! Correct?

I'm actually  kind of curious to see how long it takes until TEOTWAWKI - speaking in computer trems of course Angry
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Reply #26 - 03/30/14 at 19:47:25
 

Clam AV's purpose for being isn't limited to dual boot machines -- any Linux machine (free standing or dual boot)  can pass on an infected file or program to somebody else who down the road may eventually touch a Windows machine on further down the road a bit.

Clam AV runs in the background, you never have to do anything to it once you tell the software manager to install it and all it does is flag out files (data or .exe) that are infected with any known malware agent.

Since I put Clam on my earlier box it only flagged out one bad file once when I plugged one of my wife's college professor flash drives into my Linux box's USB port to back up the files.

Some student had caught something from somewhere and was passing it back to my wife stuck on to a turned in report.

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Reply #27 - 03/30/14 at 20:06:13
 

This is just an aside, just read it and chuckle ......

I predicted it was only a matter of time before MS got caught stealing FOSS code and was forced to turn over a chunk of associated MS work to be free FOSS material from now on.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Admits-Stealing-from-Open-Source-whe...

http://winsupersite.com/blog/supersite-blog-39/news2/rafael-is-vindicated-mic...

These are two separate instances where MS was forced to choke over all the associated code that had FOSS code worked into with all of it becoming free open source code from now on.


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Apple is shitting bricks at the moment because a very very old minor flaw was discovered in a basic Linux gut deep OS in/out part of the basic OS kernel programming -- and the same exact flaw (line by line) has been found in all the modern Apple OS products ......  this flaw is not present in the Berkley BSD products (where Apple says they got it) but it is present in the FOSS licensed Linux-es of before and during that same time period.
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Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version
Reply #28 - 03/30/14 at 22:42:33
 
hmmm
so if I go with a tablet I'll need wifi not real happy about that
my smartphone is an LG=L38c with I think a 3.5" screen, I could be happy watching vids and movies on it, but not going to forums or chat rooms, where I'm not sure how big a screen I'd need to be happy (my PC monitor is standard size I think, 14.5" diaganol
if my phone was big enough to do my forums, etc, I'd simply turn off my standard internet and do it all mobileweb

so if modern  devices you talk to, does that work like the dragon thing, where I could talk and the device would type? don't think my phone will do that
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Reply #29 - 03/31/14 at 00:06:11
 
that guide still makes me dizzy, but it looks like there are way fewer steps now than I thought
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