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Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version
Reply #75 - 04/06/14 at 13:38:41
 
Its a asus X83V, has a intel Centrino 2.4g chip, its 3 or 4 years old now and asus doesn't even list it anymore.

It does recognized the usb as a bootable, however is just managed to download the .iso file and did not download a pre boot loader or what ever.
I have a stack of dvd's I use for stuff but apparently they don't have a pre boot .exe on them.
Gonna have to read up on it again as I recall I was booting to the thumb drive (erased after I dual booted) on the smaller laptop.
It was running yesterday, but while in Linux mode I closed it without shutting it down... when I went to close, mint 15 had a bunch of "do you want to redo session or somesuch" and just kept hitting the x button got tired of it and shut it off with the power key.
This morning I tried to boot it up and no go...
I hit the esc key to get to asus bios and then F2 to bios setup... no matter what boot I suggest cd/dvd/hdd/usb the .iso isn't working
So I have to figure out how to make the dvd a boot disc.
The flash sees the serial of the hdd but does not boot it... I hear it doing its thing for about two or three times then it just stops....
Screen shows ASUS and INTEL , drive cackles like norm... then the screen shows the _ blinking at the top left, then the _ moves down two rows and disappears and screen is blank, no more hdd noises....
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Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version
Reply #76 - 04/06/14 at 13:48:53
 
Gonna have to read up on it again as I recall I was booting to the thumb drive (erased after I dual booted) on the smaller laptop.
It was running yesterday, but while in Linux mode I closed it without shutting it down... when I went to close, mint 15 had a bunch of "do you want to redo session or somesuch" and just kept hitting the x button got tired of it and shut it off with the power key.



Do you remember how I told you that interrupting low level activities is the very favorite way that folks kill their hardware?

You don't have a hard drive at the moment.  It is fixable though.

Did you download and burn a copy of the boot repair disk I told you about several days ago?

Let me think about this a bit, because you are about to tell me no, aren't you?   You aren't sure how to download stuff and burn CD and DVDs ....

Do you have a working windows machine right now to use to work with?  You need to download this and do this and that, and you need a machine to do it with.



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Reply #77 - 04/06/14 at 13:51:50
 

Your Asus X83V has a DVD read/write drive, so you are good on that aspect.   It should be pre-set as one of your bootable media.

The operating machine, the one that still works, what sort of optical drive does it have?

What sort of CD/DVD burning software do you have on that machine?
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Reply #78 - 04/06/14 at 14:00:02
 
I do download and burn things.... most times I can remember...lots of times I cannot.
I am using CyberLink to burn to cd/dvd, it came with my new hp pavilion laptop (win 8, sigh)
I have never had a hard drive crash by closing a laptop or stopping an internet browser mid stream (I had no programs other than browser running), it should hibernate not lock the arm on the hdd, that should take a direct command.
If Linux can lock my hdd arm by just stopping its program, why on earth would I want it....
Windows never has never done that, it just goes to sleep or at start up tells me I was stupid and shut it down wrong and do I want to start back up in safe mode or last known setup.
I can hear the drive clacking away on start... up to the point where either windows or Linux is supposed to be selected to run, but that screen never pops up...
I have system recovery disks, but after the initial read of the dvd, it goes to the little bar with word windows above it and scans and scans and scans, nothing happens, which tells me my hdd needle is not moving past a certain point and there for just black screens me.
Oh.... it actually loads a few files into ram memory, but nothing else
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Reply #79 - 04/06/14 at 14:20:55
 

Slow down and take a breather.

What you were hit with was a phishing attack -- always make sure you go to the real site and follow real links to download anything or else you may get a munched up computer real quick like.   Phishing sites are something that looks like something, but when you click download you give permission to your machine to download a bunch of evil instead.

A full phishing attack leaves all sorts of worms, trojans and root kits scattered through your machine.   Your machine was walking dead by the time you saw the stuff popping up, it had already downloaded a gut full of evil.

Linux didn't kill your machine, a phishing attack did.  When you saw all that strange stuff popping up that was malware downloading on to your machine.

Still, my comment still stands, don't ever cut off your machine while it says it is working on something.  Linux or not, you can harm your hard drive by turning the power off during low level activities.   It can scramble your root level items and foul up your boot table.  Windows or Linux, it doesn't matter -- let the machine finish before you cut it off.

Did shutting off your machine kill it?  Likely not, it was already root kitted by then and wasn't going to restart no matter what you did.


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Cyberlink is a collection of like 11 freebe things that gets thrown on machines by a vendor so they can say they sold you a "complete" machine.  There are generally like 11 sub-packages and you are looking for the one called Powerburn or Power2go some such name -- it specifically burns DVDs.

Which version of Powerburn or Power2go do you have?
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Reply #80 - 04/06/14 at 14:37:44
 
Was using my big machine to do the Linux downloads.... I caught the mess early and got them all off of it.

The little laptop I just play online with world of warcraft or just surf my usual sites.

I had left Linux up and running and this site open, when I closed it apparently it didn't hibernate, don't know why, when I opened it back up it said it had timed out and did I want to reopen my last page... I said no, it popped up like three or four more times... I only had two tabs open, but after the fourth time I just shut the machine down with the power button.

As far as version goes... hell I don't know, it tells me to go to "help at power 2 go" which there is none when I open it up, it also tells me to press "control b", all that does is bring up my favorites browser...

At the moment i'm trying to get the recovery disc's to work, it loaded some files to memory and has the scan bar with Microsoft Corp words under it going.... and going... i'm going to let it go for a couple of hours...no little blinky lights or any sounds other than the fan going at the moment...
if it don't come back, i'll probably take it out back for some archery practice... gotta go buy some cheap wood arrows tho...don't want to mess up my aluminum ones...
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Reply #81 - 04/06/14 at 14:42:22
 
LOL....banged the lower right corner of the little guy with my fist... rofl...now windows says loading files... and will recover windows to whole hard drive... ROFL

Picture me... sitting here talking getting frustrated, bang the laptop with a closed fist (palm side) and it chatters and takes off... ROFL...  Grin Grin

It is not that I need the little guy, just rattles my gourd knowing it was working just yesterday.
So now I guess I wait.... it has the please do not remove the cd-rom ect...ect... but no sound what so ever...i'm not going to bang it again...... just yet
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Reply #82 - 04/06/14 at 14:45:14
 

Put your bow up, and lets make sure you have the sick machine unplugged at this time, parked over in a corner and completely out of your mind.

We are talking about your machine that is still running
that you are posting on, because we want to use it to download and burn a recovery cd.

You keep messing with the sick one and all you are going to do is give the worms and such more processor run time to finish the job they have already started.   Unplug it and park it in a corner for a bit and take a break and get your calm back.

It's like breaking a bolt off on your bike -- all you are going to do right away is make things worse because you are all frustrated and mad right now.

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Reply #83 - 04/06/14 at 14:55:16
 

So your Asus X83V had a hard disk failure, huh?

Bet it ain't over yet, but while it is working on recovery, lets see if we can use the good machine (the big one you are posting on) to download a recovery tool.

First, here is the sourceforge page for the boot repair recovery tool.   Satisfy yourself that it isn't another phishing page before you hit go.  

http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/

To make you feel safer, I just downloaded it myself and I got an iso image of the boot repair disk.

Use your available Windows CD burning tool to burn a CD of the image.  You are "burning an ISO Image" and you are working with CD, not a DVD.

Once you finish what you are currently doing with the Asus X83V, you can use this tool to unscrew your boot sector (assuming it isn't fixed already).

Fair warning, if you use Windows recovery you may wind up with a virgin Windows machine again (and sometimes it just fixes what you had before, I've had it go both ways).  Windows recovery comes across like a crapshoot sometimes.

The boot repair disk just fixes the boot screw up and gives you back your old machine.
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Reply #84 - 04/06/14 at 15:05:27
 
Save to cd or download and then burn to cd?

Use same disc for mint?

error: no such partition
grub rescue>

sigh.....
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Reply #85 - 04/06/14 at 15:37:02
 

Any time you burn an ISO image, it is the ONLY thing that goes on that particular piece of plastic.

Download the boot-disk-repair-64bit.ISO from the source you were given.

Get the downloaded ISO file sitting on your desktop.

I went looking and sure enough I have a HP pavilion that has Power2Go as part of CyberLink DVD suite.  

Open Start> Programs> open CyberLink DVD suite> open Power2Go then look at the menu bar and find Burn Disk Image, open that then put a blank virgin CD in the drive, close it and then click on the top bar (browse) and find the source file on your desktop.  

Your selection SOURCE bar should show the ISO file sitting on your desktop and your selection DESTINATION bar should show your CD sitting in your drive and your GO button should say Burn.   Hit it and wait until it is done.

I just did all these things and got a bootable recovery disk that will unscrew a messed up boot disk.   That is all it will do, but most times in Linux that is all that can go wrong on a dual boot machine since the Linux side can't be attacked by a Windows virus.

Will this help you get back your Windows?  No, but it will let you get back into your Linux that you have already installed (and indeed will sometimes unscrew your Windows as well since a root kit attack hits these boot functions and scrambles them).

Try this simple recovery disk before you get all drastic with Windows Recovery and get yourself back a blank stock Windows machine for your trouble.

Keep the disk, it will come in handy later on I am sure.
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Reply #86 - 04/06/14 at 15:56:33
 

So, on this fine Sunday old-rider got his little XP laptop whacked by a phishing attack while we watched.    We will count him as the first list member to die the end of life XP death by malware attack.   (except according to the specs listing his machine supposedly ran Vista, not XP -- but that could depend on when exactly it was shipped as the changeover was about then)

There will be more list members, I am sure.

We will see if his attempt at Windows Recovery gives him back his old machine or gives him back a virgin blank install of XP or Vista (with all the old softwares and configurations gone gone gone).

He has instructions on how to get the boot-disk-repair.ISO and how to burn it using the DVD burning tool he has on hand on his big machine.

He is either happy as a clam or really really sorry he used Windows Recovery (I have had both results out of it over the years, so who knows?)

Phishing attacks start out with malware sites faking looking like they are something you are looking for, so be careful where you go and what you download as phishing attacks have gotten to me before -- so I can't claim they are not effective little nasties because they are.

Can't hurt the suit though, Linux blocks them cold.   They can only get as far as the Windows NTFS formatted dual boot system and what they do to it can be fixed by the Linux boot-repair-disk tool.


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Old-rider, tell us what you got when it is all done, OK?    No matter what you get, it can still live again, even if it tries to say the drive C: is all corrupted and nonfunctional/bad.  

(it isn't, really)

If your Windows Recovery partition won't bring the machine back, MS likely won't help you with either XP or Vista since both are out of current sales support at this time.   But do try, because until you do try you will never know for sure.

I own a Core 2 duo machine that was left for dead by Microsoft, as a matter of fact I am typing this post on it right now.

But let MS have their full chance and you tell us what they can/will do for you, their very loyal long term Windows customer.

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Reply #87 - 04/06/14 at 20:27:25
 
Ok....five hours later.....

Disc repair worked... got me in to install vista...

Of course it took five hours to download all the updates... I did a dual partition so I could install Linux mate 16 (which I also burned an image of) and hopefully I will return to an new improved system

I am going to load my favorite game now and it will probably take about 3 hours with updates. All I have to do is attach an icon to it to make it run on Linux 15, hopefully it will be just as easy with 16.

Don't know what it was...but it like my system very much....

The old time pc with xp has chrome browser, we shall see how that works out Smiley

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Reply #88 - 04/06/14 at 21:09:39
 
OR,.. kickin' some butt through those landmines... Grin...


I've got my 5 year old toy Acer netbook... (posting on it now)... 1.6G Intel Atom with 1g ram and 160g HD... (love this little guy)...
I think I'm going to run it as a petri dish... running XP 'till it dies...
Working 100% right now...
Separate partitions for OS and file storage...  it's all replaceable...
This little 'puter is the "Mini Me" for my desk 'puter...
...(I'm guessing it will do fine for the next 2 years)...
I've added dual boot Linux to my desk 'puter just to get a jump on the learning curve, and as insurance)...


Come n' get me bugs!...
Grrrrr,.. Arghhh!... Grin...
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Reply #89 - 04/06/14 at 22:31:33
 

Old-rider, glad your Windows Recovery worked, sorry it didn't just fix your existing machine, but instead it did its final default recovery thing, a total rape and scrape putting back the stock everything as of the date the machine shipped.

5 hours to download all the updates -- at least MS was there for you with that string of updates because you are running Vista and that is still supported.   The XP people who do Windows Recovery won't get all that post death date support, what comes off their hidden drive D: will be all they ever get.

All told you will likely have 10+ hours of rebuild in the machine to get your Windows back as good as you can get it.


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Let's talk about a dual boot Linux Mint Mate / XP machine total crash a bit, supposing that the machine actually gets blown up by something that Linux can't handle (which so far has never happened).  But the Windows side can still die fairly easily, which does happen.   The boot sector is the weakness between the systems that gets killed most often.

Boot Disk Repair CD was written for just that situation.   It works automatically.

XP being dead and unsupported, there isn't much point in messing with a Windows Recovery Partition that is going to just load the original XP (or mebbe you might get up to Service Pack 1 level if the machine is new enough) since Microsoft isn't going to support you any more by downloading all the rest of that long string of updates any more.  

Without getting the entire long long string of updates I question the value of even messing with an XP recovery partition as it won't be able to work very well due to being so very very far out of date.

If your dual boot machine dies, this is what you do

Step 1 .....  Boot Repair Disk into the CD/DVD drive, cold boot the machine, it fixes the scrambled NTFS dual boot hard drive sector automatically.   Everything either works right on both sides, works right on the reboot or if not go to step #2.  
(time 15 minutes)

Step 2 .....  If you Linux Mint is running but your Windows XP is dead, just run the Linux half until it is time to upgrade your Linux Mint.   Yeah, I know -- you will likely still try the D: XP Recovery Partition and waste the hours doing it, but in the end you go to Step #3 eventually anyway (just really really pissed off at Microsoft when you go do it).

Step 3 .....  Put in your new upgraded Linux Mint Mate 64 Install DVD -- cold boot, tell it to reformat and take the whole drive.   You are wiping out the entire broken old machine.  You are making this choice to not mess with a very out of date XP version off your recovery drive D: because MS won't do the updating of the old stuff you get off of drive D: all the way up to current status because THEY HAVE LEFT YOU FOR DEAD NOW.  Unsupported.  Totally unsupported.   They don't know you any more.  You have called them twice and they politely told you so.
(time 30 minutes)

Step 3 ......  With the current Mint installed insert your backup thumb drive and get your preferences and bookmarks HTML off of it, plus whatever family photos, etc you backed up as well.
(time 10 minutes)

Elapsed time inside an hour to a complete reload, you are now a Linux user full time.   You are an ex-Microsoft person who doesn't care for Microsoft very much any more.  

One-sided divorces are like that.

But, as you will see, there is happy and contented life after Microsoft.  

Linux is alive and growing all the time, not all dead and grumpy like Microsoft.

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