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Reply #15 - 04/03/14 at 05:31:20
 
Here's another tidbit on why people are not voting for democrats more...

http://news.yahoo.com/party-rich-congress-democrats-040228270--election.html

"But in Congress, the wealthiest among us are more likely to be represented by a Democrat than a Republican. Of the 10 richest House districts, only two have Republican congressmen. Democrats claim the top six, sprinkled along the East and West coasts. Most are in overwhelmingly Democratic states like New York and California."
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Reply #16 - 04/03/14 at 08:51:34
 
raydawg wrote on 04/02/14 at 16:53:28:
So if I only vote along party lines, when do I ever listen to the media?

Not sure what you mean...... care to expand on your question?

Why would I need to listen to the media if all I had to do was show up at the polls and pick all the (insert party here) and walk away?
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Reply #17 - 04/03/14 at 09:57:54
 
Another reason why I vote conservative, which is in my own best interest, that of my family (immediate and extended) and everyone I currently know or have met in my life. In it's entirety for the link-click impaired:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286

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By Charles G. Koch
Updated April 2, 2014 7:47 p.m. ET

I have devoted most of my life to understanding the principles that enable people to improve their lives. It is those principles—the principles of a free society—that have shaped my life, my family, our company and America itself.

Unfortunately, the fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom are under attack by the nation's own government. That's why, if we want to restore a free society and create greater well-being and opportunity for all Americans, we have no choice but to fight for those principles. I have been doing so for more than 50 years, primarily through educational efforts. It was only in the past decade that I realized the need to also engage in the political process.

A truly free society is based on a vision of respect for people and what they value. In a truly free society, any business that disrespects its customers will fail, and deserves to do so. The same should be true of any government that disrespects its citizens. The central belief and fatal conceit of the current administration is that you are incapable of running your own life, but those in power are capable of running it for you. This is the essence of big government and collectivism.

More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned that this could happen. "The natural progress of things," Jefferson wrote, "is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." He knew that no government could possibly run citizens' lives for the better. The more government tries to control, the greater the disaster, as shown by the current health-care debacle. Collectivists (those who stand for government control of the means of production and how people live their lives) promise heaven but deliver hell. For them, the promised end justifies the means.

Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination. (I should know, as the almost daily target of their attacks.) This is the approach that Arthur Schopenhauer described in the 19th century, that Saul Alinsky famously advocated in the 20th, and that so many despots have infamously practiced. Such tactics are the antithesis of what is required for a free society—and a telltale sign that the collectivists do not have good answers.

Rather than try to understand my vision for a free society or accurately report the facts about Koch Industries, our critics would have you believe we're "un-American" and trying to "rig the system," that we're against "environmental protection" or eager to "end workplace safety standards." These falsehoods remind me of the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan's observation, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Here are some facts about my philosophy and our company:

Koch companies employ 60,000 Americans, who make many thousands of products that Americans want and need. According to government figures, our employees and the 143,000 additional American jobs they support generate nearly $11.7 billion in compensation and benefits. About one-third of our U.S.-based employees are union members.

Koch employees have earned well over 700 awards for environmental, health and safety excellence since 2009, many of them from the Environmental Protection Agency and Occupational Safety and Health Administration. EPA officials have commended us for our "commitment to a cleaner environment" and called us "a model for other companies."

Our refineries have consistently ranked among the best in the nation for low per-barrel emissions. In 2012, our Total Case Incident Rate (an important safety measure) was 67% better than a Bureau of Labor Statistics average for peer industries. Even so, we have never rested on our laurels. We believe there is always room for innovation and improvement.

Far from trying to rig the system, I have spent decades opposing cronyism and all political favors, including mandates, subsidies and protective tariffs—even when we benefit from them. I believe that cronyism is nothing more than welfare for the rich and powerful, and should be abolished.

Koch Industries was the only major producer in the ethanol industry to argue for the demise of the ethanol tax credit in 2011. That government handout (which cost taxpayers billions) needlessly drove up food and fuel prices as well as other costs for consumers—many of whom were poor or otherwise disadvantaged. Now the mandate needs to go, so that consumers and the marketplace are the ones who decide the future of ethanol.

Instead of fostering a system that enables people to help themselves, America is now saddled with a system that destroys value, raises costs, hinders innovation and relegates millions of citizens to a life of poverty, dependency and hopelessness. This is what happens when elected officials believe that people's lives are better run by politicians and regulators than by the people themselves. Those in power fail to see that more government means less liberty, and liberty is the essence of what it means to be American. Love of liberty is the American ideal.

If more businesses (and elected officials) were to embrace a vision of creating real value for people in a principled way, our nation would be far better off—not just today, but for generations to come. I'm dedicated to fighting for that vision. I'm convinced most Americans believe it's worth fighting for, too.

Mr. Koch is chairman and CEO of Koch Industries.
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Reply #18 - 04/03/14 at 10:05:19
 
Well, the Koch brothers definatly vote in their own self interest...
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Reply #19 - 04/03/14 at 10:43:25
 
As does George Soros..... I'm assuming you simply forgot to mention him as well.
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Reply #20 - 04/03/14 at 11:21:11
 
Really, Web?...  
If you are of the 1%,.. your self interests includes lower taxes for the rich, corporate tax brakes, deregulation, and cutting entitlemnets...
Does that sound like liberal/democrat policy?...
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Reply #21 - 04/03/14 at 11:42:50
 
I am not of the 1%, but I'm in favor of those things. Someone else getting to keep more of their money doesn't bother me any.

My point was if you were looking for an example of a billionaire who uses his money to swap public policy; you'd be far more accurate if you would have sited Soros rather than the Kochs. That's all.
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Reply #22 - 04/03/14 at 11:58:10
 
The topic is voting , for or against, self interest...
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Reply #23 - 04/03/14 at 12:16:29
 
Why reference the Koch Brothers? Are you under the impression George Soros votes against his best interest?
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Reply #24 - 04/03/14 at 12:21:38
 
Dane just posted an article written by one of them...
I didn't pull their name out of a hat... Grin...
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Reply #25 - 04/03/14 at 12:50:19
 
True, and I'm taking the opportunity to point out the left side of the political spectrum does not participate in self-sacrifice anymore than the right side of the spectrum; contrary to liberal-media-shaped-perception.
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Reply #26 - 04/03/14 at 14:17:34
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/03/14 at 11:21:11:
Really, Web?...  
If you are of the 1%,.. your self interests includes lower taxes for the rich, corporate tax brakes, deregulation, and cutting entitlemnets...
Does that sound like liberal/democrat policy?...


The difference is conservatives and many Republicans want these things for everyone while liberals in similar positions want it only for themselves, rules for thee but not for me. How many Democrats (like Rangel and Geithner, for example) advocate for higher taxes and more government but dodge paying the taxes themselves?
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Reply #27 - 04/03/14 at 17:32:50
 
"conservatives and many Republicans want these things for everyone while liberals in similar positions want it only for themselves".

Mr. Allen, you are a card!  Grin
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Reply #28 - 04/04/14 at 07:45:10
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/03/14 at 11:58:10:
The topic is voting , for or against, self interest...



+1

Right now in MS we have a candidate running against the 43 year senator Thad Cochran. If nothing else he has force Thad to ACTUALLY run for his seat. Generally Thad does not set foot in MS.  Thad has done good things for the state and has held powerful positions in the Senate, yet I would vote against him.  Especially in light of who is supporting him. ( this ties DIRECTLY to the OP). Yes I would spitefully not support this powerful senator because of who is supporting him, and instead would throw in with a unproven young lawyer.  

It depends on what one views as "my best interest". My own view has changed over the years.

So is it in "my best interest" to vote for someone who promises to bring home the bacon? Or is it in my best interest to vote for someone who promises to reduce the federal deficit?  The two are for the most part mutually exclusive. Its very telling.. what one chooses in this.

Its all well and good to say" well they are going to build a military base, they might as well build it here". or is it? When the military wanted to CLOSE bases... oh the screaming and lamentation of the masses.. what about our economy???

I will let yall yammer on about those supporting what-ever party. The brokeness is not within either party. Its not about the good party or bad party. The brokeness is the idea of a two party system so corrupted and twisted that good people cant see where the brokeness is.

To once again quote a character from Tolkien:
"I am not altogether on anyones side, for I am not convinced that anyone is altogether on my side".

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Reply #29 - 04/04/14 at 11:26:29
 
North Country Girl wrote on 04/03/14 at 17:32:50:
"conservatives and many Republicans want these things for everyone while liberals in similar positions want it only for themselves".

Mr. Allen, you are a card!  Grin


A badge of honor!!  Wink

You know of the limousine liberals of which I speak. I do not wish to be trapped and smothered within the collective.  Sad

I couldn't help but notice you took a select clip of a longer text from one of several posts and then attached a label to myself without ever addressing any of the points made to date. The assertion of voting against self interest was your argument that you presented to the community, does this mean you are retracting your observation/belief in this particular situation?
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