raydawg wrote on 04/27/14 at 07:57:13:

How does this NOT support my statement?

arteacher wrote on 04/27/14 at 09:12:39:


How can you blame it on conservatives being the core reason?

Self esteem is a character trait based on a whole host of reasons.

Your declaration based upon your observation of one incident is akin to me saying the folk I take clothes and food to living in the streets (homeless) are liberal because they blame conservatives for the resulting predicament of their situation, never once connecting the dots of drug and alcohol usage and weak will to their woes....

Again, sorry, its not that simple.

if the point being made is conservative thinking causes these problems, I would say hogwash.. maybe I'm not getting the point to this thread?
I'm listening  

AHHH, Now we have it, Conservatives are "close minded" while the Liberals are willing to say "Thats fine, son, if you want to be that way, thats fine.",,
Self esteem is a product of being successful in accomplishing things & being socially accepted. Being socially accepted is very important, I wasnt, for many reasons,, Of course theres the Spiritual aspect of self esteem. If one KNOWS in their heart they are wrong in the eyes of the Lord, then true happiness wont exist, there will always be an empty spot. I know about that one, personally, too.
Having parents who demand isnt bad, in & of itself. Unreasonable demands, OTOH, will crush a kid. I also have first hand knowledge there.
NO direction, no consequences, everything is good may allow a kid in school to feel okay about themselves, but where do they go after that?
Its OKAY to have a low self esteem,, thats the natural result of failure & IS the motivating factor to drive people to achieve. I know about that one, too,,
Explain to me WHY a kid, who has actually never accomplished anything other than pass tests at school is Supposed to feel so great about themselves? At that point in life theyre basically UNtested by lifes real challenges & have actually accomplished nothing unless maybe theyre an academic standout or maybe excelling in some other area, sports, or maybe being a volunteer at an old folks home or sports maybe, but the Overwhelming Majority of school age kids havent done SQUAT to Earn anything more than a mediocre level of self esteem. Unearned self esteem is nothing more than conceit.

Noun: conservative - a person who is reluctant to accept changes and new ideas.
A teenager's life is all about changes and new ideas. Parents who ignore this or more so, actively oppose this, cause low self esteem.
The case I quoted earlier is about a teen girl from an upper middle class family, who when she was 15 or so went to her parents and told them she was gay. They told her she was not allowed to be gay, and that if she persisted in claiming that she was, would be kicked out of the house.
She persisted and was kicked out. In her rage she crashed a farm vehicle into the barn. Her parents then had her arrested, declared incompetent,  and froze her assets. (money she had saved over the years working on the farm-quite a bit of money). She is smart but was doing increasingly less well in school,  her self esteem had taken some pretty severe hits, and her life was a mess. I often wonder how she turned out. She did have the clandestine support of her brother. I hope it helped.

A teenager's life is all about changes and new ideas. Parents who ignore this or more so, actively oppose this, cause low self esteem.

and parents who allow the child to pursue every idea and change produces adults who have never grown up. Hence we get a law that redefines 'childhood' to be 26 in the case of the healthcare law.

Classic case is down the street from me a set of parents who could never say no to their 3 children. 2 have been thru rehab, only 1 finished high school and moved in with a man 20 years older than her which predictably ended badly. Another set of parents literally let their daughter 'experiment' with any idea that struck her fancy. Now after 6 years of college pursuing useless degrees, they are in debt up to their a$$ and have a 25 year old child utterly incapable of maintain focus on anything.

Extreme liberalism is just as bad, if not worse, than extreme conservatism. For every gay horror story you come up with, I can match you with 2 to 1 on the other side.

My use of the word "conservative" has nothing, or very little to do with politics.
IF you believe it does, then we are talking oranges and apples here, and the discussion will go on forever.
Certainly a house with no rules (your definition of liberal?) is dangerous to the bringing up of a teen, although I have seen exceptional teens overcome this, usually with some help (teachers and/or peers). These kids , somehow, somewhere, were taught how to feel good about themselves, and clung to that knowledge when the chips were down.
I firmly believe that parents with liberal views are better at teaching that magic (how to feel good about yourself) than those with conservative views. I have seen it time and time again.

As Forest Gump said  "..... and that's all I'me going to say about THAT!"