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Calculated Risk" Blog : when you say the powerful means of Rc ... today on BBM , an excellent Fassa Sissona alerted me to a post that appears on the forum Nibiru 2012 ( which also reminded me that I should surfalo more often) , making a simple google search I recovered the birthright in the Italian "piece" , it appears on the site January 29, 2014 Aurora ( finished in my bookmarks in zero time ) . And it's a really interesting analysis of what the Ukraine and what are or should be the relationship with Russia. I can not tell if what you will read below corresponds to the truth , but if we consider that this is an interview that goes back at least to January 2014 ( even before) , I would say that Prof. Aleksandr Dugin well prophesied the events a little later would set fire to the region. Good reading.
Prof. Alexander Dugin is a philosopher and a professor at Moscow State University . Dugin is the international leader of the " Eurasian Movement " , and is known for the book ' Fundamentals of Geopolitics ' ..
Prof. Dugin, the mainstream media and the political leaders of Western describe the recent situation in Ukraine as a conflict between the alliance of the democratic and pro-European liberal and an authoritarian regime with a dictator as president. Do you agree?
Dugin: I know this story and I believe that this type of analysis is totally wrong. We can not divide the world today as in the Cold War. There is no "democratic world" which stands against a "world undemocratic", as many Western media reported.
Your country, Russia, is one of the cores of this so-called "anti-democratic world" if we believe in our mainstream media. And Russia with President Vladimir Putin tries to intervene in the internal politics of Ukraine, we read ...
Dugin: This is completely wrong. Russia is a liberal democracy. Take a look at the Russian constitution, we have a democratic electoral system, a functioning parliament, a free-market system. The Constitution is based on the Western model. Our President Vladimir Putin has governed the country in a democratic way. We are not a monarchy, a dictatorship, a Soviet communist regime.
Our politicians in Germany called Putin "dictator"!
Dugin: (laughs) On what basis?
Because of its anti-LGBT, support for Syria, the processes against Mikhail Khodorkhovskij and 'girl thingy Riot' ...
Dugin: So call it a "dictator" because they do not like the Russian mentality. Each point that you mentioned is completely legitimate democratically. There is not a single element of "authoritarian". So do not get confused: even if you do not like the politics of Russia can not be denied that Russia is a liberal democracy. President Vladimir Putin accepts the rules of our democratic system and respect them. He has never violated a single law. So Russia is part of the field and the liberal democratic model from the cold war does not serve to explain the crisis in Ukraine.
So how do we describe such a violent and bloody conflict?
Dugin: We need a clear analysis of geopolitics and civilization. We need to establish the historical facts, even if these days are not in vogue!
What does that mean ?
Dugin : Ukraine today is a state that has never existed in history. It is a new entity. This entity has at least two completely different parts . These two parties have an identity and a different culture. There is the western Ukraine , Eastern Europe united in its identity . The vast majority of people living in western Ukraine is considered the Eastern European . And this identity is based on the complete rejection of any idea of Pan-Slavic Russia. The Russians are considered enemies of life. We can say this: they hate the Russians , Russian culture and , of course, the Russian policy . This is an important part of their identity.
Are not you annoyed because Russian ?
Dugin : (laughs ) Not at all ! It is a part of the identity . Does not necessarily mean that they want to go to war against us , but they are not like us. We have to respect it. Look, the Americans are hated by many more people and accept it. So when western Ukrainians hate us , is neither bad nor good, it is a fact. Let's just say us accept it . Not everybody loves us !
But Ukrainians are Russians as oriental and even more than you!
Dugin : Not so fast ! Most of the people who live in the eastern part of Ukraine share a common identity with the Russian people, history, civilization and geopolitics. The eastern Ukraine is a country Russian and Eurasian . So there are two Ukrainian . We see this very clearly in the election. The population is divided into every major political issue. Especially when it comes to relations with Russia , we witness how dramatic it becomes the problem : one part is absolutely anti-Russian , the other party absolutely pro-Russian . Two different companies, two different countries and two different historical national identity living in a single entity .
So the question is which company dominates the other ?
Dugin : This is an important part of Ukrainian politics . We both parties and we have the capital Kiev. But in Kiev have both identities . It is neither the capital nor the Western Ukraine in eastern Ukraine . The capital of the western part is Lvov , the capital of the eastern part is Kharkov. Kiev is the capital of an artificial entity . This is important to understand the conflict.
The Western media and Ukrainian " nationalists " would strongly disagree with the term " artificial " for the Ukrainian state .
Dugin : The facts are clear . The creation of the State of Ukraine in the current borders is not the result of history. It was a bureaucratic and administrative decision of the Soviet Union . The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was one of the 15 republics of the Soviet Union from 1922 to 1991 . In all these 72 years the borders of the republic changed often , with a significant portion of what is now western Ukraine annexed dall'Armata red Army in 1939 , and with the addition of the already Russian Crimea in 1954 .
Some politicians and analysts say that the easiest solution would be the partition of Ukraine in one of the Eastern and Western .
Dugin : It is not as easy as it might seem , because we would have problems with national minorities . In the western part of Ukraine are home to many people who consider themselves Russian today. In the eastern part of the population that lives shall be deemed to western Ukraine . You see , a simple partition of the state does not really solve the problem, but it would create a new one. We can imagine the separation of the Crimea, because that part of Ukraine 's territory inhabited only by Russians.
Why does it seem that the European Union is so concerned to " import" all these problems ?
Dugin :
It is not in the interest of the European alliance , but the United States. It is a political campaign against Russia. The invitation to Brussels to Ukraine accession to the West immediately created a conflict and an internal conflict with Moscow to Ukraine. This is not surprising to anyone who knows anything about the company and the Ukrainian history .
Some German politicians have said to be surprised by the scenes of civil war in Kiev ...
Dugin : That says a lot on education policy and about the history of your political crisis in Ukraine ...
But Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has refused the invitation western .
Dugin : Sure . It ' was elected by the pro-Russian South and West. Yanukovych can not act against the interests and the will of his constituency . If he had accepted the invitation of the EU would be considered a traitor by his constituents. Supporters of Yanukovych wants to integration with Russia. To put it plainly : Yanukovych has simply done what was quite logical. No surprise, no miracle . Simply political logic .
There is now an alliance of the opposition politically pluralist against Yanukovych: This alliance includes liberals, anarchists, communists, right-wing groups, gays, even nationalist and neo-Nazi groups and thugs. What holds together these different groups and ideologies?
Dugin: They are united only by hatred against Russia. Yanukovich is in their eyes a ascaro of Russia, Putin's friend and man of the East. They hate everything that has to do with Russia. This hatred holds them together, this is a block of hatred. To put it plainly: hatred is their political ideology. They do not like the European Union or Brussels.
What are the main groups? Who dominates the opposition?
Dugin: They are clearly the most violent neo-Nazi groups of the so-called Euro-Maidan. Give rise to a situation of violence and civil war in Kiev.
The Western mainstream media argue that the role of these extremist groups is dramatized by the media pro-Russian opposition to defame the entire alliance .
Dugin : Sure . How do they want to justify that the European Union and European governments argue neo -Nazi extremists and racists outside the EU , while inside too serious and melodramatic perform actions against the more moderate groups of the extreme right ?
But how can they , for example, gay groups and liberal groups of the left and right fight alongside the neo- Nazis , known to be not at all gay friendly?
Dugin : First of all , all of these groups hate Russia and the Russian President. This makes them hate cronies . And the liberal left-wing groups are no less extremist neo- Nazi groups . We tend to think that they are liberals, but they are wrong terribly. Especially in Eastern Europe and Russia very often the homosexual lobby groups and ultra-nationalists and neo-Nazis are allied . Even the homosexual lobby has very extreme ideas on how to warp , re-educate and influence society . We must not forget that. The lesbian - gay lobby are no less socially dangerous neo- Nazis.
We know that such an alliance is also present in Moscow. The liberal blogger and candidate for the office of mayor of Moscow Alexei Nawalnij was supported by such an alliance of organizations for the rights of gay and neo-Nazi groups .
Dugin : Exactly. And this pro- coalition Nawalnij was also supported by the West . The point is that this has nothing to do with the ideology of these groups. It does not affect the West.
What do you mean ?
Dugin : What would happen if neo- Nazi organization asserted Putin in Russia or in Ukraine Yanukovych ?
The EU would trigger a huge political campaign on the Western mainstream media to highlight such a scandal .
Dugin : Exactly. So it's just what part is a given group . If the group is against Putin, against Yanukovych , against Russia , the ideology is not a problem . If this group supports Putin , Russia or Yanukovych , the ideology immediately becomes a huge problem. This is only the geopolitical side belongs to the group. It is nothing but geopolitics. It ' a good lesson on what happens in Ukraine. The lesson tells us : The Geopolitics dominates these conflicts and nothing else. We are seeing this in other conflicts , Syria , Libya, Egypt , the Caucasus, Iraq, Iran ...
Any group is in favor of the West is a group of "good" regardless of whether it is an extremist ?
Dugin : Yes, and any group against the West , although secular and moderate , it will be defined as " extremist" by Western propaganda . This approach overlooks the battlefields geopolitical today. You can be the most radical and brutal Salafi fighter , you can hate the Jews and eat human organs in front of a camera , until lots to Western interests against the Syrian government are an ally respected and supported by the West . When defending a multi-religious society , secular and moderate all western ideals , but it has a position contrary to Western interests , as the Syrian government , you're an enemy. Nobody is interested in what you believe in , it's just the side geopolitical choic
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