nasa has an interesting page on climate change
satellite images and loads of data

Okay so let's say 80%.  You are now 17% less than what you originally started at. If it's so easy to determine the 97% number is wrong, doesn't it bother you that your side of this argument is repeating a figure they all know to be false?

The biggest issue for me is simply this: every single prediction the IPCC has made from the very beginning has been wrong. They have been forced to scale back every one. Now this latest climate assessment is doubling down. The claim now is it's even worse than they ever predicted before and it's going to get disastrous in the next 10 years if we don't do something astounding right now. Sorry, but I just don't see that being true. The way I see it, I have far more facts on my side then you have on your side.

Serowbot wrote on 05/13/14 at 11:01:08:


But the facts do not say 97%. You're ignoring that. In fact, it's likely impossible to figure out what the real percentage is but it's 100% certain it's not 97%.

As I stated, the overwhelming consensus was love canal was a cancer-causing disaster, but after-the-fact, that was not the case. Doesn't that mean something to you? Should we look at other publicity fueled scientific discussions and see which ones over the years have proven to be false?

What's the percentage of homosexuals in the general population?  You'll probably answered 10% because that's what you've always heard. But that percentage has never been true. it was always proven to be false but publicity has caused it to spread everywhere and now it's accepted as fact when it is not.

Matthew Shepard was not killed by anti-gay cowboys.  He was murdered by a drug crazed lover. Look at all the social commentary written on that episode, but it was all based on falsehood.  Now there has been a lot of good that came out of those discussions about Matthew Shepard and the way society treats gay people. Just like there's a lot of good that comes out of the climate change discussion in regards to pollution, renewable energy and generally being a better steward of the earth's resources. However, this climate change discussion is going to ridiculous lengths. We are ready to leave poor countries in poverty for what could turn out to be completely incorrect science.  The United States and United Nations work against building utility companies in Africa for example so as to limit greenhouse gases.  Instead we send them bicycle powered generators. Same thing with DDT. We limit shipments of life saving DDT to Africa because of junk science done in the past which means we basically condemned hundreds of thousands of African children to death due to malaria.

And now we are continuing this with climate change. The economy will not grow by switching to renewable energies based upon legislation. It hasn't happened yet and it will not happen. So here we are, about to lower our overall standard of living, based upon predictions that have not proven to be even remotely accurate. Doesn't it concern you and all that every prediction that has been made has been wrong?

I know,.. cut n' paste... but no use rehashing old news...
Read it... it does explain... (just need to skim it, really)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

There's a difference between "rehashing old news" and ignoring the facts on the ground after they've changed. That's would be like saying to you Bush beat Gore in 2000 fair and square. I doubt you would agree with that, in fact, if you were wearing a heart monitor, it just took a big spike! It would be like me saying we went into Iraq because the UN said they had weapons of mass destruction.

Bottom line; it is a FACT that climate scientist are no more or less 'holy' than anyone else. Human nature is what it is.

So someone else needs to weigh in......  is the 97% figure true or false?

no fun unless somebody is red-faced mad    just kidding gentleriders

Here in Az,... they must allow you to connect to the grid, and they must pay you for any excess power you generate...

I do understand they need to maintain the grid and cover those costs, but eventually, I think the power companies will be a distribution service more than a producer of power...

Dane Allen wrote on 05/13/14 at 16:09:14:

Sorry Dane,..  I deleted it...
I button malfunctioned again...  not intentional...
I think I'm having a Linux/firefox compatibility problem...
Sometimes I type a single letter,... and sentences jump around, and buttons get pressed that I didn't touch...
It's doing it as I type this now... ...
I hate Linux... it just don't work right... ...

I'm hoping the next Firefox update will correct it...
It's being a real PIA......