Donate!
Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register :: View Members
Pages: 1 ... 8 9 10 11 12 ... 34
Send Topic Print
The Chrome Wars (Read 9524 times)
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #135 - 11/16/14 at 12:04:15
 

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2847703/microsoft-updates-windows-10-get...

Microsoft updates Windows 10, gets an earful from users about OneDrive changes

"Microsoft is using the Technical Preview to not only show customers what Windows 10 will include, but also to test the faster release pace. Build 9879, however, is a full, in-place upgrade, and not one of the smaller updates that next year will include only changes since the last version.

This last release touted several changes to Windows 10 in the latest build, including one that users bashed as a giant step backwards.

"We're also introducing changes to how OneDrive syncs your files in this build," Aul wrote. "In Windows 8.1, we use placeholders on your PC to represent files you have stored in OneDrive. People had to learn the difference between what files were 'available online' (placeholders) versus what was 'available offline' and physically on your PC."

In other words, OneDrive on Windows 8.1 did not automatically place actual copies of all files in the cloud storage service on a device, but instead showed placeholder icons, what Microsoft calls "smart files," that included a thumbnail image of the file -- useful when searching through photographs -- and searchable metadata. When clicked, the placeholder/smart file kicked off a file download to the local device. That was counter to, say, Dropbox's method of everything-is- available-locally-on-every-device, but also saved local storage space and the bandwidth necessary to download and synchronize large OneDrive collections."


Now we will begin to see MS trying to helplessly lock users into Win 10 by automatically taking away their personal files, putting them on a MS server and only allowing the user bookmarks to go get them through One Drive Sync (which will be a yearly pay me service).

Bad move boys, back it down and undo it .....   this sort of stuff might be needed for a Streambook that HAS NO DRIVE SPACE at all on it, but for your more traditional users they will not let you AUTOMATICALLY hold their personal data hostage on a "pay me starting next year" service like that.    NOT EVER.

I suspect even the Streambook users will have a terabyte USB drive plugged into their USB port as needed for storing their personal files, and no one is going to want to use your pay me ONE DRIVE SERVICE as their only totally automatic "must use" data storage service.  
They may use it for free as a backup service, but not as their only data storage method.

They certainly aren't going to let you only just give them a bookmark on their local storage instead of their data .....

"Daddy, I backed everything up to my terabyte USB drive, but when I went to get it by plugging the drive into the PC at home all that was really there were some stupid bookmark thing-a-ma-gigs.   My data wasn't there at all."


=======================================


German and British users have already bailed en mass on the Win 10 Preview because of MS's intrusive keystroke tracking practices and I bet MS will lose a few more around the world over this One Drive only fiasco.

People have trust issues with MS, don't they get that yet?

You are not teaching people to love and trust you right now, MS,  instead you are showing us some more of that careless MS arrogance again as you try to find out just how far you can push things as you herd the lemmings on into Win 10 dependency.
Back to top
 
« Last Edit: 11/27/14 at 20:17:42 by Oldfeller--FSO »  

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Steve H
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 1223
Spartanburg, SC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #136 - 11/16/14 at 15:58:02
 
I have not upgraded from XP yet.  I run good anti-virus and anti-spyware software and am behind a stateful packet inspection firewall.

I have had no problems at all with any sort of virus or spyware.

I am running linux on my laptop and have been running linux in one form or another for the last 10 years or so.  

I have a major problem with any OS that won't or can't run completely without internet access. Mikeysoft has been trying for years to tie people to them in one way or another.  Forced upgrades if you want support, phone home tech to 'verify' you have a legal copy of their OS.  I know plenty of people with legal copies that have had to buy new copies because M$oft wouldn't allow them to reinstall. Phone home junk for installation. NSA backdoors. Built in spyware.

I know XP is loaded with spyware, phone home, backdoors, etc. but it's not nearly as bad as the newer stuff they have put out.  

Why would anyone want to pay for "use" of a program that they should be able to buy and install on their system and use forever with one payment?

Android is a toy OS designed to run phones and media consumption devices.  Not useable as a full OS.
Chrome is a web browser...if you want to be tied to a company that admittedly spies on you in every way possible and provide them with every keystroke you hit to allow even further spying, go for it. Chrome OS is a web browser with some boot code added. Still suffers from all the tied to google crap (even more).

If XP ever dies, I will be completely Linux.  I have found equivalents for all my stuff that run under Linux.  Linux is faster, works well on smaller, older machines, doesn't report to anyone, doesn't verify anything with anyone, installs in a much smaller amount of space, only installs what you want, and will work anytime, anywhere.

I am really enjoying reading all these reports and hearing about all the crap everyone is trying to pull. Please keep 'em coming.

Back to top
 
 

87 LS650, 2005 Ninja 250, 2009 Yamaha C3, 2001 Honda Reflex. On 2 wheels since 6/80.
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #137 - 11/17/14 at 08:54:20
 

I'm completely Linux Mint Mate 17 at the moment, but I hold out hope for Chromeboxes as they allow you to Crouton Ubuntu at will -- plus go Android as any Android app good for Lollipop will go on Chrome OS as well, naturally.

Android is very light and very fast -- it performs better streaming music and movies than any other OS out there as far as giving perfect performance at less than half the required resources.

Where Android and Chrome shines is that it will run anybody's streaming movie stuff except Amazon's and that is because Amazon chooses to MAKE it impossible.
Back to top
 
 

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #138 - 11/17/14 at 08:59:59
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/11/rockchip-intel-launch-first-chip-together.html

Rockchip and Intel launch their first chip together



And it is a frightfully weak chipset intended for $35 phones in places where 2g is common and 3g is being sold as step up cell service.

"The XMM6321 chip is features an Intel/Infineon AG620 radio for 2G and 3G communications as well as 802.11b/g/n WiFi andBluetooth 4.0. Rockchip says it paves the way for future chips which will support 4G LTE.

The processor has a clock speed of 1 GHz, but it can be overclocked to run at 1.2 GHz, and just to make it clear that it’s aimed at entry-level devices with 3.5 inch to 7 inch screens, the chip supports display resolutions of 854 x 480 or 1024 x 600 pixels.

It can handle 1080p HD video decoding at 30 frames per second, but don’t expect to see phone or tablets with full HD screens using this chip.

Other features include support for 8MP rear and 3MP front cameras, 720P HD video encoding at 24 frames per second, and OpenGL ES 2.0."


Please remember though, there are entire Countries out there at this level of cell support, so many many many of these cheap little chipsets will be sold.

Intel is just supplying the radio and baseband chipsets -- all of the rest of the tech is stock ARM designs.
Rockchip is just putting Intel's name on it because Intel is paying them to do just that.

This is a sub-modern non-integrated "two main chips with support hardware" daughter board, not an SOC at all.

It simply serves to get Intel's name out there in India and China -- it runs an OLD form of Android and MS gets no mileage out of the chipset whatsoever as MS can't get close to running that low and slow.

25-30 frames a second when playing movies and video -- gaming, forget about it.

And yet, many will be sold as that is the sort of chipset a lot of brand new opening markets are searching for and Intel will be paying tech support dollars on developing the phones and tablets .....

Intel hopes that in two years these folks will upgrade to their mo betta REAL INTEL chipsets that they hope to have out there by then.

Back to top
 
« Last Edit: 11/27/14 at 20:19:36 by Oldfeller--FSO »  

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
old_rider
Serious Thumper
*****
Offline

Backyard Bill
Productions

Posts: 3147
flordia panhandle
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #139 - 11/18/14 at 11:19:08
 
Been playing with the little RCA tablet

http://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-Pro-10-with-WiFi-10.1-Touchscreen-Tablet-PC-Fea...

.... it works great, really sharp display, great surfing machine... but.....
It doesn't have a "print" on internet software screen.... not sure why.
My laptop will not "recognize" it, hearing it might be a flaw in about 2% or them...
You have to buy a mini (female) to micro (male) adapter to use a mouse with the keyboard.
AND....
Walmart just dropped the price $59 !
Going to take this one back and tell them it will not recognize to swap files... get the newer version for $59 cheaper and get a 32gb micro card for it as I only have an 8GB laying around. (I have ordered the usb adapter already).
Back to top
 
 

We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us.
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #140 - 11/20/14 at 01:37:53
 

Grab your handlebars tight, the ride just got curvy neat on you.

ASUS's new Eeee Windows 11"  low end machines are now SELLING for $179 normally at Amazon and Best Buy.

THIS is competitive, the unit is good compared to the HP Stream unit and is good enough compared to a Chromebook that a Windows lover won't switch.

What STILL isn't competitive is the only 1 year use of the required MS ONE DRIVE services .....
Back to top
 
 

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #141 - 11/20/14 at 10:08:38
 

(this is a video, so just click on it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fFB-cFLhhs

Is a $230 Laptop Worth It?

It really doesn't matter what we old farts think, what do the young people think about these new machines.   The reviewer is just HARSH in what he says, but his comparison is accurate and his casual comments are representative of knowledgeable young people.

Watch the video then read all the user comments below -- kids are very up on this new stuff and they have preferences based upon what they really do with machines now days.

I was surprised that Chrome and net based stuff was actually so much of their lives now, more so than I would have thought.   Also pleasantly surprised at the multiple OS answer kids, including the Linux crouton crew.

Base answer -- most have multiple machines and use one for this task, this one for carry around at school, this one for gaming, etc.  

The people with only one machine go with Windows.
Back to top
 
« Last Edit: 11/21/14 at 04:26:03 by Oldfeller--FSO »  

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #142 - 11/24/14 at 08:38:31
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/11/intrinsyc-launches-snapdragon-810-tablet-smartp...

Intrinsyc launches Snapdragon 810 tablet, smartphone devices for developers





Yep, it is a fully integrated on the same chipset Octa core big/LITTLE produced at 20nm with processor speeds well over 2 ghz.   That gets great battery life.  That does everything to the max and does it quicker than anything else on the planet right now.

"The Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 810 processor, the "ultimate connected computing processor," with 64-bit computing on 8 CPU cores and leading modem capabilities, is designed to enable the most advanced connected mobile user experiences, including streaming 4K Ultra HD video, sharing top-quality digital photos, online 3D gaming, and virtually seamless communications, along with outstanding battery life for premium smartphones and tablets."

The first of Intel's night-sweat dreams has just arrived -- a laptop/desktop capable fully integrated ARM chipset that has the video and the speed to jest plain do it.  ALL OF IT.

Samsung and Qualcomm have their Octacore 20nm irons warming in the fire now and Intel is dry-firing their Skylake 14nm popgun, waiting for Apple to either get happy with it or to decide to toss them out with the trash and use their own A9 or A10 Chipset.

Wink       Change, she comes .....



http://www.dailytech.com/Qualcomm+808+and+810+64bit+20+nm+Chips+Will+Debut+in...



Intel will have to complete their screwy TI(tock)CK cycle on Skylake without let or bobble to stay active in the mobile/laptop markets.

HOWEVER. Intel is as focused right now as anyone has ever seen them -- they have handed off mobile to their Chinese partners and are putting their domestic talent totally on getting Skylake DONE ON TIME.

Skylake will ship to Apple on time, for it is do or die time for Intel ....    and Intel historically does well when the rubber has to meet the road or else.

Politics and stuff like that gets put aside when the company is in serious danger.





Back to top
 
 

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #143 - 11/27/14 at 19:17:57
 

Well, Black Friday is here and I do not see a promise from MS that any machine bought this Christmas will get an automatic free update to Win 10.

We do see some hundred dollar off across the board actions going on, so there is some fairly good price reductions, but not a lot of real panic dumping going on yet.


=============================

Windows fan boys are all being quiet right now and the hit traffic on MS's biggest Explorer home page and Bing search pages are down by nearly a third each.

http://www.businessinsider.com/msn-redesign-hurts-traffic-2014-11



Well, you can say "Well that new look for MS Explorer, well they screwed up the web page itself so it didn't auto-point at Bing properly" but that doesn't really cover BOTH of these pieces of information really very well at all, now does it?

This seems to say that MSN (Microsoft's main Explorer web page) is down 30% AND Bing searches in general are down ~20% or roughly about the same range.    Could an alternate explanation be that people are actively dumping Explorer and Bing right along with it since they don't like it as well, say compared to the current Google Chrome and Firefox offerings?



Seriously, people are getting a little better educated now and are actually going and trying new products more so than they ever used to do.    Part of this is MS no longer has the ability to keep your arm twisted up behind your back the way they used to, and their products are NOT really as good as the competition right now.  

Plus, MS seems to be screwing up with fair regularity now on several fronts -- security updates, Win 10 releases and now supposedly the Explorer interface itself ???


Smiley       Sounds like a bit of hasty spin doctoring on some fairly nasty statistics down trends, now doesn't it?

But MS has a fix for these pesky issues, they want the hit counters to start to LUMP ALL OF MS"S REPORTING COUNTING ITEMS together into one BIG general single big hit number, so these little pesky "market movements" won't stick out so clearly.
 
Cheesy       Now how does that work again ??          Huh        Roll Eyes



Back to top
 
« Last Edit: 11/28/14 at 06:02:36 by Oldfeller--FSO »  

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #144 - 11/27/14 at 20:45:12
 


Well, this is another possible explanation for the graphs in the post above this one.  

On top of that, toss in the Chromebooks and Chromeboxes effects of which are still moving right along, continuing the "taking market share away from MS" graph effects.

If your browser is no good and folks don't like your OS right now,  well then you'd best be getting humping on fixing these issues instead of messing around and screwing up big time every other month like you have been doing lately.

Wink





LASTLY, what about that BIG down tick on 10/14 out at the end of this chart ???

Easy, MS stopped all partners from selling/shipping/downgrading to Windows 7 on that date.   And Win 7 was their by far "best selling OS" right on up to the drop dead cut of date .....

So, what do we really see?    MS's planned obsolescence of the older Windows versions is NEGATIVELY affecting their web usage numbers and is NOT REALLY INCREASING sales of Win 8.1 as was fervently hoped.

What this planned obsolescence is doing however is frustrating and angering users, who by and large will stick with what they have right now on the off chance that Win 10 winds up being worthwhile, once it jells and finishes squirming around in the oven like it so definitely is doing right now.


Back to top
 
« Last Edit: 11/28/14 at 19:08:01 by Oldfeller--FSO »  

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #145 - 11/29/14 at 04:06:00
 

How big is Chromebook/Chromeboxes stacking what has been sold against the entire pre-existing world of "all devices that are still running" in all computing?

Of all the PC stuff extant at this time,  Chromebook/Chromeboxes constitutes just a hair over 1%

On the same "all of everything ever" scale, pure desktop Linux machines only constitutes 1.7% of the primary boot sectors on all machines.  

(yep, all them dual boot machines get counted as Windows "primary boot sector" units and don't get counted as Linux at all, anywhere).

Chromebooks should clearly report as "Google browser" on the internet hit/access analysis and they should report as Linux on the boot sector reporting stuff.  It is hard to get any running stats on Chromebooks because they generally get listed as other things.  

As such, Chromebooks still likely get reported "biggest" on any current period released sales figures, but that only comes available when somebody willingly chooses to release such numbers.

Current sales are not so hot on all of computing in America right now, so if you just want to see "bigger numbers" look to where it is stated as a percentage of what is selling right now.  

What is moving right now are the lower end machines, so Chromebooks are "big" right now in that currently selling low end market segment.

Smiley

So, tablets killed off traditional netbooks and the 11" Chromebooks are looking like the netbook market segment staging a comeback of sorts against the ever cheaper (but no keyboard and no good typing) Android tablets.

It all really begins to look like most folks have multiple machines now and they simply use the one that is handiest for the task at hand.   And by handiest I mean closest to hand.

Example, I have a dedicated car computer now, it is an old tablet and it simply lives in the car.   The cover folds over the steering wheel to hold it up for me and I can net search or watch something if I am waiting in the car for some reason, if I can get a signal from a nearby burger joint, etc.    If I can't,  I crank up my phone and use it as a hot spot, or else I just use the phone directly if the little screen is OK for what I am doing.


======================


Notes from Grandma's house at Thanksgiving Dinner.

Everybody had a phone and a tablet that they took out and used freely.  Nobody had any issues getting on line off Grandma's router as they had all added it to their device on earlier trips.   You had at least 5 people on line all the time, with peaks going up to 10-12 people on line at the same time.   The netscape router just handled it all, along with driving the Roku for the TV which was constantly streaming kiddie movies.

NOBODY pulled out the Win 7 laptop that is kept at Grandma's for folks to use (it is too heavy and klunky for tablet people to want to mess with).

I was pleasantly surprised that everything Wifi held up and didn't require any attention or rebooting at all.

Every grandkid had a tablet and a phone.   Two grandkids brought their Win 7 gaming laptops so they could play a game -- but that was all they used it for.

Back to top
 
« Last Edit: 11/30/14 at 22:41:26 by Oldfeller--FSO »  

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #146 - 11/30/14 at 22:44:49
 

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2843969/drastic-price-cuts-may-damage-pc...

Drastic price cuts may damage PC industry, jeopardize Microsoft's hopes for Windows 10

"Windows PC makers slashed prices to historically low levels in the U.S. during the last three weeks of October, damaging the consumer business just as Microsoft tries to push Windows 10 as its salvation, a retail analyst said last week.

"The implications of a much more price aggressive PC market are enormous, and while many of them are positive, many are not," said Stephen Baker of the NPD Group in a good news-bad news post to his company's blog on Friday.

In the span from Oct. 5 to Oct. 25, the ASP (average selling price) of Windows-powered personal computers was $430, down 10% from the year before, according to NPD's data. During the week of Oct. 5, the Windows notebook ASP was even less: $415.

"In contrast, the ASP last year at this time was around $480, a monumental change in pricing for a category that had seen stable pricing for the last few years," Baker said of the "Black Friday"-like numbers.

Although the price cuts were good news to consumers shopping for a PC, Baker questioned what the business would look like in 2015. "I would say this is damaging rather than unsustainable," Baker said in an interview Friday. "Some can withstand these prices better than others. But from an overall perspective, clearly at the end of the cycle, there are going to be a lot of losers."

U.S. retailers like Best Buy and Walmart can withstand an extended stretch of aggressive price cuts, as can some OEMs (original equipment manufacturers) such as Hewlett-Packard. But not every retailer or OEM has the resources to stick with those prices.

Baker predicted further consolidation as those unable to play in the ultra-low price bands bickered over an evaporating pool of sales in the $450-and-up range.

More importantly, said Baker, was that the price cuts were changing the design and manufacturing of PCs. "The challenge isn't that the ASP last year was $500 and that next year it will be $300, but that these lower-priced PCs are being designed and marketed and intended to be sold at $199 to $249. In the past, those prices have been reserved for models at the end of their cycles. Now they're pervasive."

At those cut-rate prices, touch -- once a major part of Microsoft's Windows 8 strategy -- disappears.

"The Windows notebook PC segment above $300 has been decimated, with sales down 10% over the past three weeks," Baker said in the blog. "This has impacted the uptake of touch in the Windows market as well. Basic clamshell notebooks with touch only accounted for approximately 25% of the Windows market over the past few weeks, in contrast to points earlier in the year when it was above 30%."

Flooding the market with cheap products has also affected sales of Windows 2-in-1 devices, hybrids that boast traits of both tablets and notebooks. According to NPD's U.S. retail sales data, the 2-in-1 market remains stalled at 11% of sales."


Look to see good trackpad and keyboard support become VERY IMPORTANT to Win 10's new design as these new lower price points for laptops DO NOT LEAVE ROOM FOR A TOUCH SCREEN ANY MORE.

As laptops crash down to the same price range as Chromebooks and 10" tablets, look to see the trade off point to be the keyboard itself, and the ease of rapidly creating text to wind up being what a laptop offers to excuse its existence.

The first gasp of Win 10 MUST be keyboard/trackpad centric and not foul itself up with a lot of "unaffordable" touch screen nonsense as MS's laptop business is shaky enough at this point as it is and it does not need any confusing signals about "touch computing" or "visual computing" right now.  

If people want a tablet, they likely already own one or two already.

Chromebooks have hit their volume peak now as PC laptops have come down to live in the same price range and MS is slowly slowly slogging its way towards a Windows comeback IF THEY CAN SIMPLY NOT DO ANYTHING INCREDIBLY STUPID AT THIS STAGE OF WIN 10'S DEVELOPMENT TO FOUL IT UP.

Put good trackpads and good keyboards on the laptops, HP -- don't be stupid about what makes people buy the laptop in the first place.
Back to top
 
 

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #147 - 12/03/14 at 03:27:51
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/12/compulab-launches-utilite2-tiny-arm-based-ubunt...

CompuLab launches Utilite2: Tiny ARM-based Ubuntu PC



"The Utilite2 can run Ubuntu or Android software, has fanless aluminum case, and features a Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 quad-core processor. It should be available for purchase this month.

The little computer measures 3.4″ x 2.3″ x 1.1″ and uses between 3W and 8W of power. It features 2GB of RAM, 4GB of built-in storage and support for up to 128GB of removable storage thanks to a microSDXC card slot as well as mSATA SSD support for up to 512GB of additional storage.

The Utilite2 features Gigabit Ethernet, 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, 4 USB 2.0 ports, a micro USB OTG port, line out and line in audio jacks, and HDMI output."


Why is this significant?  Up until this point all the boxes have been Intel based and have been "upper end" Linux boxes power-wise.

Like many things computerish, the lower end of stuff has moved up in power to cuddle up to the mid and upper reaches of "what used to be" top end only a year ago.    

This is a mid-level Qualcomm Quad Core system on a chip that was first used in phones, yes, but the ongoing changes in Linux have suddenly made this fully supported system on a chip a little Linux power house that can easily run a full bore fanless Ubuntu desktop station.

Qualcomm, the 800 pound Gorilla of Mobile, Intel's current mobile nemesis has actually arrived on the desktop .....  

Auuuggggh !!!


Extend this thinking a bit --- Win 10 is supposed to run on phones and tablets.   Eventually, it is supposed to run on native ANDROID/ARM chipsets too.   If MS intends to survive and grow in China, this is the sort of hardware they need to be able to run upon.   Once MS rewrites Win 10 to get lean and mean and fit on this sort of hardware, by then the hardware will have grown in power to come up to meet all the needs that Win 10 will have.

Intel is not blind to this, they have already created a crop of Haswell and Bay Trail stuff that gets very close to this Android/ARM/Linux/Intel/Microsoft convergence point.   If MS was keeping up better than they actually are, the convergence would have already happened.

The new Chinese Spreadtrum partnered Intel stuff makes further motions in this direction, and MS is a current part of that activity as well.   Eventually, MS will get there.

Give it a year and OS/hardware convergence will happen.


=================================================


My interest was always "what can replace my existing hardware with 2x better stuff on the cheap".   If I was still running my old single core AMD Athlon 64 white box machine, this stuff would fit the 2x bill with lots of room left over.   Soom my "new" Core Duo machine will become replaceable as well.

Asus's little Win 8.1 Eeee 205 laptop full retails at $199 and Amazon, Best Buy and Staples are running it on sale at $149 fairly regularly now.   In other words, if you bought one for more than $149 you aren't paying attention.    

Reasonable laptop tech now sells regularly for less than $200.

Windows machines are UNDERCUTTING Chromeboxes price-wise right now --- this is significant and it does signal a change that all PC makers need to take a closer look at what they plan to be building over the next few years.   Remember, 85% of non-business related PC sales are taking place in these lower price ranges right now.

Reviewers are saying the Asus 205 machines are acceptable for keyboard and trackpad and speed for any net-based operations.

All reviewers are also beginning to give lighter consideration to "local run softwares" as the local run stuff is beginning to kinda phase out now.  

All parties are saying the same thing, apart from local work based data crunching  90+ percent of what you really do all takes place on the web.


=================================================


On a personal note, I have been hunting a better monitor for a while now.   My old 19" SVGA flat screen was showing its age (or my eyes were, anyway) and the VGA plug on it wasn't finding all that many things to plug into any more.

So, for $129 on a Black Friday Amazon special, I got me one of the new class of monitor/TVs, specifically a last year's top of the line Samsung 24"  Monitor/TV.  

It is odd, having a remote for my monitor, but it is a very clear, very detailed 1366 x 768 output that is a natural PC supported resolution that goes well past 720p but stops short of 1080p on the tv side.

This means NO HASSLE getting it running (it just detected and ran on Linux Mint 17) with NO HASSLES AT ALL.

I did have to turn down the backlight and bright and contrast way down towards the minimum specs on the machine itself -- as a TV it was set up to project across a room and at 3 feet that level of light output was a bit much.

So as a monitor it is easy do and flaw free.    As a TV it requires the use of a remote, which is somewhat new to me, having a remote control sitting out on my desk.

Actually, I have two remotes on my desk now, as I bought a FireStick for $24 just to see what Amazon is up to.   FireStick isn't as complete as Roku nor is it as user friendly at this early point in time.   But what a FireStick does do is stream Amazon Prime free movies and songs and all the rest of the Amazon freebies perfectly right out of the box.   The not so little 24" monitor/tv is a natural 16:9 resolution which is the standard wide screen display size for streamed movies.  

Amazon's little linux based HDMI plug in stick has NO ISSUES running the DRM stuff from Amazon while everything else Linux based is blocked from doing so (intentionally so, by Amazon of course).

So, I have a Linux Mint PC hooked up to a monitor/tv streaming Amazon Prime and Netflix and Crackle and all the other major DRM players right here at my easy chair.   I can get to all the rest of them using my Chrome browser of course, but the Amazon Prime stuff was still the main hold out that drove the need for this trick.

Speakers, I have the original Labtec PC speakers being driven by the PC and I have the built in 5 watt TV speakers that kick in when I am using the FireStick to stream a movie as a TV.   So, sound I got -- and I can still plug in my headphones for when I am watching silently while Momma is trying to sleep.

Wink
Back to top
 
« Last Edit: 12/04/14 at 08:41:49 by Oldfeller--FSO »  

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #148 - 12/03/14 at 08:52:17
 

http://liliputing.com/2014/12/asus-vivomini-desktop-coming-soon-around-149.html

Asus VivoMini desktop coming soon for around $149 and up





According to documents obtained by Hexus, the VivoMini will come in at least 4 different versions:

Barebones VivoMini UN42 w/Celeron 2957U
VivoMini UN42 w/Celeron 2957U, 2GB RAM, 32GB SSD, Windows 8.1 with Bing
Barebones VivoMini UN62 w/Core i3-4030U
Barebones VivoMini UN62 w/Core i5-4210U
The barebones models will ship without storage, memory, or an operating system. But they’ll support up to 16GB of RAM and accept mSATA solid state storage.

Each model features 802.11ac WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, Gigabit Ethernet, SDXC card readers, 2 USB 3.0 ports, HDMI and DisplayPort output, and each measures about 5.1″ x 5.1″ x 1.7″.



Here come the mainstream chromebox killers, from Asus themselves no less --  Asus the main & best supplier of all them little narsty Chromeboxes .....



Grin      ...... it's a bloody messy splattery Chrome War, what the heck did you expect?   Flowers ???
Back to top
 
 

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Oldfeller--FSO
Serious Thumper
ModSquad
*****
Offline

Hobby is now
"concentrated
neuropany"

Posts: 12686
Fayetteville, NC
Gender: male
Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #149 - 12/04/14 at 08:33:11
 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-11-6-laptop-intel-atom-2gb-memory-32gb-flash...

$99 in store at Best Buy



$99 at Best Buy -- store pick up only

Asus Eeee X205TA

2 high-speed USB 2.0 ports
For fast digital data transfer and easy peripheral connectivity.
Weighs only 2.1 lbs. and measures just 0.7" thin
For lightweight portability. Chiclet-style keyboard allows comfortable typing.
32GB flash memory
Provides space for storing movies, music and more. One Drive provides 15GB of perpetual storage, plus 100GB of storage for 2 years, and Asus Webstorage offers 500GB of storage for 2 years, so you can access data on the go.
Intel, Pentium, Celeron, Centrino, Core, Viiv, Intel Inside and the Intel Inside logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of Intel Corporation or its subsidiaries in the United States and other countries.
11.6" high-definition display
Showcases movies, games and streaming media in stunning clarity.
Built-in high-speed wireless LAN (802.11a/b/g/n)
Connect to the Internet without wires.
Microsoft Windows 8.1 32-bit operating system preinstalled
Provides a stable computing platform.
Built-in 0.3MP webcam and microphone
Make it easy to video chat with loved ones.
Intel® Atom™ processor Z3735F
Features a 2MB cache and 1.33GHz processor speed with Intel® Burst technology up to 1.8GHz.
Bluetooth 4.0 interface
Enables simple wireless pairing with compatible devices.
Intel® HD graphics
For lush, detailed images. Micro HDMI output enables simple connection to an HDTV or other high-definition display.
Digital media reader
Supports microSD format.
2GB DDR3L memory
For multitasking power.
Software package included
With Kindle, Music Maker Jam and more. Includes 30-day trial of Microsoft Office 365.


Cheesy       Can you say "some kickass competition on the low end of things" ????

check for stock by calling or going on line before you make the drive over to the store
Back to top
 
 

Former Savage Owner
  IP Logged
Pages: 1 ... 8 9 10 11 12 ... 34
Send Topic Print


« Home

 
« Home
SuzukiSavage.com
12/30/25 at 06:30:34



General CategoryThe Cafe › The Chrome Wars


SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2!
YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved.