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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #225 - 03/16/15 at 10:00:49
 

Intel is REALLY HUGE, compared to Mediatek for example.

With a little more $$$ than what Intel flushed down the toilet last year (8 billion $$$ that we know about) they could have bought Mediatek outright.    At full list price.   A couple of times over.

Issue with Intel being so HUGE is staying full up on their fab plants.  Right now Intel is down over 25% on utilization short term and that is a fatal flaw in a foundry operation.   To get their pricing to work right, Intel must stay at very close to 100% utilization.

For this to happen, a lot of the little hockey stick guys need to go away, ASAP.   This is part of a 3 year Intel "must do" plan.

Complicating this whole thing is Intel used to make a lot of memory, but they are drifting out of that business (as is Samsung and Qualcomm, BTW).   Micron is picking all of that slack up as they are much better at it than the other guys.   Intel has entire memory fabs that are going slacking.

So, right now Intel is getting hit with a memory slump, PC sales slump and having to start paying people to use their "processor platforms" all of a sudden.  

Intel is bleeding ......  badly.

However, Intel is so huge that it could take them over 10 years to bleed to death, and during that time they could restructure their fab plants (closing a third of them due to obsolete lithography for example, or retooling them for making something that is WANTED, or is in actual demand).

You see,  Intel has a mental problem of just going and doing stuff and expecting everyone to fall all over it.  Super thin super expensive Windows laptops are a current case where Intel did something they though was really neat that is simply failing badly all over the place.  

People don't want that, and never did.

Microsoft for example is learning they need to slim Win 10 way down and get it quick and light -- this means less chip power will be required to run it.    This is bad for Intel.

Intel needs this to go the other way so a lot MORE processor power is needed to get it to move at all, much less move quickly.

Intel and Microsoft have cooperated over the years to make computing so HUGE and POWER DEMANDING that only Intel's biggest and best can lift the load.

There are other approaches though.   Approaches that do not require massive power to shift MS's bulky operating system.

I run a 10 year old Core 2 Duo system with a $47 video card that will play current games running STEAM and Linux Mint.   And it is quick and does it well.

To do this in Windows would require twice as much computer and four times as much video card.

Why ???   Because Intel must sell you a new rig every few years or they can't fill their fabs up.   The game is rigged so you always are having to buy MORE.

In Europe, they buy an American hand me down PC on Ebay and throw the operating system away.   I can attest that this idea works great, I have done it and it really does work.

Europeans are also repurposing old Chromeboxes to do the same thing.

MS and Intel still rule American computing.   They do not rule anywhere else any more.  

Entire markets are opening up now where neither one is needed.

This is called the Post PC Era and it has already begun.

You will hear more about this as time goes on.

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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #226 - 03/16/15 at 19:00:03
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/03/microsoft-shrunk-the-windows-10-footprint-to-fr...

Microsoft shrinks the Windows 10 footprint to free up space on cheap tablets, notebooks




Microsoft has a bit of a problem .... Win 10 is going to be too large to fit on the remaining systems drive space that MS has already been putting on tablets and Chromekillers.    

This "too small for my stuff" has already become quite an issue with the 32 gb storeage space $200 HP Chromekillers that have already been sold, and they were loaded with the smaller footprint Windows 8.1 Bingware.  

The harsh fact is when your operating system and your software fill the dive totally up, you tend to crash.   A lot.  Windows machines all shipped with 32gigabyte flash drives which were twice as big as what Chrome OS required, but are now being found to be simply too small to hold the OS and a few locally loaded large programs.   (a game, fergetaboutit ...)

It has become an issue to the point Best Buy and Amazon are already getting a lot of 90 day returns on some of the HP Streambook units for the issue.    

Microsoft and HP have aggravated the condition by putting lots of crapware and shovelware on the machines which took up almost all of the free existing space and definitely put the casual user into an ongoing bind.    

All the bad user reviews building up and the tech writer's angry blasts as such are making a smell, a redolence of rotting dead things .....

SOMETHING MUST BE DONE !!!!!

To fix the problem, the new planned tablet/small laptop Windows 10 boot drive c:/systems/ will only be partially loaded on the machine at a given time in a compressed data format and will be unpacked as needed then repacked for minimal storage space.

The other parts of drive c:/systems/ which are only occasionally needed will be selectively downloaded and unpacked/expanded as needed then erased when not in use.

This trick is supposed to wind up giving you enough room on the drive to "do stuff" and by constantly cleaning and replacing the c:/systems/  stuff new all the time you are getting a measure of virus/trojan protection as well.   ( and this is true, BTW )

Plus, stock recovery image means exactly that, you get a new stock install that is constantly updated and correct.   This is like a ChromeOS Powerwash except in Chrome you only do a powerwash when you think it is needed, the MS version happens endlessly all the time.

"Recovery

The other major change in Windows 10 is that Microsoft is making it unnecessary for PC makers to include a full recovery image in local storage. This can free up between 4GB and 12GB of storage.

Instead, if you need to reset your computer to factory settings, Windows 10 will use its own runtime system files.

As an added bonus, this means that after restoring the computer you’ll have the latest version of Windows and won’t have to download every single Windows update that rolled out since Windows was first installed on your computer."



OK, this may not be a "feature" you would want for several reasons.

1)  You are downloading and unpacking and repacking your OS all the time, constantly, over the internet.   The chance of some nasty trickster managing to get a packet of his trash into your OS system to be expanded and installed automatically is now a clear and present danger as the back & forth flow happens each and every hour of real use.   Or simple misreads or miswrites can  happen (they do, you know).

2)  The little puny Atom processor can't do all this activity without a speed penalty (and since it is constantly happening you will notice the slowdowns).    And what happens if you have slower low end internet service, the issue could get compounded mightily.

3)  Your little solid state drive has a finite number of reads and writes as its life-span, plus solid state drives do suffer from a form of fragmentation delay (which although much better than a spinning platter drive it is still very real)

4)  Come the day the free trial is over and you are late paying your Microsoft Tax, your other half of your c:/system/ drive and all of your real data at the MS data center is suddenly unavailable to you.   Instant brick.   Pay a hefty fee for "re-initialization", please, plus your next year's MS tax in advance.


Microsoft and Google are both going to give you a period of time of full free use when you buy your machine, then both are going to charge you something somehow for taking care of it past that point.   The time spans and costs will be quite different between the two, as will come out later, like a year or so after you have bought into the "free Win 10" system.

A Chromebox always has enough drive to hold the entire OS system and any data you may need, and your "programs" are most all web based anyway --- plus you get the network drive C: for the first year or so jest so you can get all addicted to using it.  

People haven't had to pay anything much for Google Drive space yet so far (they got a lot of free years with the unit purchase) and they are certainly free to go use other services such as Dropbox, etc.   Google never locks down your data, you can go get your stuff off your Google Drive at any time, just not add anything to it if your Drive space isn't current or is full up.

Your files on a Chromebook are real and you could store them locally on a terabyte USB drive just by copying them over.

There was some discussion about Win10 only storing a bookmark to your data locally on your machine, and keeping all your data on line at a MS data center and downloading it back to you as needed.    This idea was due to "limited drive space" of course.    Smiley  sure, right .....

We hope that BAD idea has thoroughly been killed by the tester guys horrified feedback ......

MS is trying hard to make all this stuff work out, but I fear some of the things they have already done (and some of the other things yet to come)  are not going to be very popular with their user base.    

They are trying to put 10 pounds of local OS and data into a two pound sack and doing all sorts of strange gyrations to "make it work".

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It sure don't sound like Win 10 is getting faster and lighter, now does it?
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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #227 - 03/18/15 at 09:27:02
 

https://gigaom.com/2015/01/02/no-the-229-hp-stream-13-isnt-a-chromebook-killer/



Chromebook Killers greatly resemble Netbooks, not Chromebooks

This guy goes through the struggle of setting up a HP Streambook and details all the crap you have to do to get your as advertised "free" software installed up and working.    

It took him 6+ hours just to get the machine set up as advertised with the free stuff working .....

https://gigaom.com/2015/01/02/no-the-229-hp-stream-13-isnt-a-chromebook-killer/

"Maybe these devices really don’t compete, after all

The more I ran though the HP Stream 13 setup process, the more I realized Chromebooks really don’t compete with inexpensive Windows laptops. Or, more accurately, they compete much the way a sports car and SUV do: There’s really no competition between the two if you live in a very rural area with poor roads or lots of snow. In that case, the sports car isn’t even an option.

The same applies to low-cost Windows laptops and similarly priced notebooks. If you need or want to run Windows apps, get a Windows laptop. You’ll have your apps along with everything that comes with Windows. If you don’t need to run Windows apps and do most everything in a browser, check out the simplicity of a Chromebook.

Aside from cost and hardware components, not much else here is similar; the HP Stream 13 is more like an improved netbook than a Chromebook competitor.

Know that I firmly believe that choosing the right computer for your tasks is the most important, so the intent here isn’t to suggest Chromebooks are better for everyone. They’re not.

Instead, the point is that while a low-cost Windows laptop can do more with apps, you have to take the good with the bad. Simplicity can be a feature. It’s what you don’t get with Chromebooks — lengthy convoluted setup processes and resource-wasting virus-scanning software, for example — that can make them appealing, provided you don’t need to run Windows apps."


People who have actually used a Chromebook do not want to go back to Windows .... they can't stand the unnecessary aggravation of setting up a new machine any more.

This includes most of the PC press by this point in time (who use Chromebooks and such as part of their job) so MS now routinely gets more grief than they used to as the PC press types in their articles on their Chromebooks .....

They use terms like "unnecessary aggravation" and "slow performance" and "obese porky OS" to describe their new perception of Windows performance.    And that is with using a fast large powerful Intel processor.

So you can go buy Intel some new chip production numbers for this year (and the years that come after that) or you can get off the treadmill and dump Windows as your OS.   At least now you have choices out there, before this last few years you were "stuck on Windows" and had no where to go except Linux.

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And folks are learning that Linux Mint is pretty sweet, which is what I think too.

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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #228 - 03/19/15 at 03:43:57
 

Win 10 is coming ..... and MS still won't tell you what it will cost.


Estimates run from $40 a year to $70 a year per seat.   Business IT people are not going to even consider participating at all until the OS is several years old as they foresee MASSIVE integration problems with the existing software system that their business runs upon.   Since MS can't say what the system will be right now from one month to the next, it makes it hard for IT to ever say when or if they will ever adopt it.  

Business will stick with Win 7 for the foreseeable future.    

Business sees Chrome OS as being "known" more so than Win10 right now which is seen to be a "constant motion toss up" for the first few years.

Win 10 is not significantly faster or lighter than Win 7.   It carries MUCH MORE code mass because of all the new features require a much larger mass of code to be carried on the machine.   A fast current processor is needed for Win 10, much more so than Win 7.   MS claims the UI is quicker on Win 10, but that is relative since Win 7 had no motif other than the standard desktop motif which was just always sitting there.

The extreme tie ins between the new Office and Win 10 preclude business from considering the new Office.

My my my, sounds like MS's brand new baby isn't thought of well by MS's bread and butter marketplace .....


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In any case, the ERA of the CHROMEWARS is pretty much complete.      Smiley

MS has their new Win 10 about ready to ship and Chromebooks are rolling into acceptance across the globe with no real alternative out there at the $180 price point.  

The ChromeKillers are waiting for Win 10 to make their hard drives "more livable" and the Chromebook vendors are all waiting for Tegra X1 to get Google Approved and for Mediatek's new Cortex A72 chipset to get Google Approved.  

Intel has a few new ones to toss into the pot, but if Intel isn't going to be able to price support their new chips in the same fashion as last year their impact will not be so great this year.

MS is hoping for a wave of Win 10 acceptance to roll over the landscape, rolling up all other OS systems.   MS will cost support Win 10 for the first year or so before charging MS tax, and Intel is going to roll with the wave, pushing 14nm this and that just as hard as they can before folks actually realize it isn't really much of an improvement.  In one case an Intel M chipset was actually a step BACKWARDS to the existing chipset .....  buyer beware  ....

2nd half 2015 will be the era of the PR Dept, and we all know Intel's PR Dept wrote the book on deeper, browner & stinkier --- and ooops, here is a new blast of PR to cover up our little boo boo from yesterday.

Up until now, computing was getting less expensive with real competition going on between ARM and Intel, but with Wintel staging a comeback that will reverse and you will be sold the "need to get bigger and better new stuff" upgrade cycle all over again.

However, computing is not based here in the USA any more, so what Wintel can do in America generally only affects Americans.    It will be interesting to see what sort of new stuff comes out of the Orient since they now have their very own Androids and Linuxes, etc.

Right now Europe is Linux based, Asia is Android based and America is Wintel based.   ChromeOS is also here in the USA and is moving into Europe and Asia as we speak.  

Interestingly enough, American Business is looking at Chrome as they see a major cost upgrade coming with Win 10 and Chrome may actually be considered as a lower cost upgrade option as it costs much less to upkeep ongoing compared to Win 10 at this point.

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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #229 - 03/19/15 at 06:26:14
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/03/lumia-430-is-a-70-windows-phone-with-dual-sim-s...



I am going to correct myself early.

I wrote "Chromebooks are rolling into acceptance across the globe with no real alternative out there at the $180 $170 $149 price point."                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 .... it went down again

This is not correct as now a MS Lumina phone out there now, shipping on $70 Qualcomm Snapdragon 200 chipset equipped phones.    
MS Windows OS is working on a stock low end Qualcomm ARM processor.
This is a very light ARM processor.

"Phones feature 4 inch, 800 x 480 pixel display, 1.2 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 200 dual-core processor, 1GB of RAM, 8GB of storage, microSD card slots, 2MP rear, and 0.3MP fixed-focus front cameras.

Microsoft offers a range of Lumia smartphones including high-end models with full HD screens, high-res cameras, and other premium features. There are also entry-level models like the recently released Lumia 435 which has more modest specs and sells for just $70."


Win 10 for phones isn't cooked yet here in the USA, but apparently it is cooked good enough for foreign markets to get a preview slice of Windows shipping on an ARM based phone product.

Windows on ARM looks light and fast enough to be a serious Chromespace competitor whenever MS gets around to doing it here in the USA.

Win 10 for America isn't slated to come out until late this fall or spring of next year -- look for it when it arrives as it may be a whole new wave of low cost stuff.

Wink     .... and if MS wants it to, it could kick Chromebooks arse right smartly running on a Qualcomm SOC.
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Reply #230 - 03/19/15 at 09:17:09
 

Google is supposedly working with a Chinese vendor to put dual boot ChromeOS and Android on the same 2-in-one tablet/laptop.

In the Orient, this dual boot set-up makes sense.  

In America, not so much.

However, it brings home the point that America and Europe are not the hot markets they once were, both are actually somewhat comparatively depressed economically and thoroughly SATURATED with phones tables laptops and PCs.

I would expect to see all the makers paying attention to GROWING markets, not the saturated ones.

Wink     .... so we here in America just get the leftovers once they finish pushing it out in the primary markets from here on out.
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Reply #231 - 03/19/15 at 16:04:50
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/03/microsoft-outlines-system-requirements-for-wind...

Formal Win10 Systems requirements

"The system requirements are pretty low: if you’ve got a device that runs Windows 7 or later it can also probably handle Windows 10.

Microsoft is officially adding support for a number of new processors for mobile devices and PCs including:

   Qualcomm Snapdragon 208, 210, 615, 808, and 810
   Intel Cherry Trail, Skylake, and Atom x3
   AMD Carrizo and Carrizo-L"


These are referenced when answering questions about Win10 Surface, non-RT, so take it as being good for light desktops and laptops as well.

Roll Eyes   ..... but I bet it jest torques Intel's PR Dept's ass right on off to have Qualcomm's Snapdragons listed before Intel's stuff as being "Win 10 compatible".

Perhaps MS is giving order preference to setups that are real, not nebulous brown vapor.  Maybe it is because the Snapdragons are all fully integrated SOC systems that need no large multitudinous count of additional chips added to a larger motherboard to make up a given whatzit.

    (you name it).

But it does also clearly bring out the point about the ARM chipsets being plenty strong enough to do the job.   They are certainly doing it now on all the MS phones fer sure.


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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #232 - 03/20/15 at 09:13:24
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/03/asus-c201-chromebook-with-rockhip-cpu-coming-so...\

http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/03/20/asus-c201-chromebook-to-be-powered-by-...

NOT NEAR YOU THOUGH, but available for purchase now through school supply houses, for less that $200.



Why should this interest you, or worry Intel?

People have been doing comparisons already and the results are back.

http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/01/21/antutu-benchmark-rockchip-rk3288-arm-v...

As you can see,  Intel doesn't fare well against this Rockchip 4 banger which now costs less money even though Intel is still price supporting their old chipsets.

When ARM starts poking through the Intel pricing support screen with a better product for less money -- this should be giving Intel the cold sweats.

go read it on the link above where it shows up as a table type graphic

"Asus is reportedly planning to launch a new Chrome OS laptop which is described as the company’s “most affordable Chromebook to date.”

Since Asus launched two Chromebooks priced at $249 last summer, that suggests the new Asus C201 Chromebook could have a list price of $199 or less.

OMG Chrome has posted an image of the upcoming Chromebook from the latest catalog of Troxell, a company that sells products to schools.

Rockchip RK3288      Intel Atom Z3735F      Delta
CPU      Quad core Cortex A17 @ 2.0 GHz      Quad core @ 1.33 GHz (Burst 1.83GHz)      
GPU      ARM Mali-T764      Intel HD Graphics Gen 7      
Antutu 5.x                  
Overall      36525      29851      -18.27%
Multitask      5906      3947      -33.17%
Runtime      2039      2064      1.23%
RAM Ops      2487      2158      -13.23%
RAM Speed      2985      3281      9.92%
CPU Integer (multi-thread)      2414      3035      25.72%
CPU float-point (multi-thread)      3515      2984      -15.11%
CPU Integer (single thread)      1455      1572      8.04%
CPU float-point (single thread)      1893      1696      -10.41%
2D Graphics (1920×1080)      1447      1346      -6.98%
3D Graphics (1920×1080)      11108      5904      -46.85%"


All your negative numbers is where Intel comes up lacking.  

And remember, this is a 2 year old chipset from Rockchip, not something that was just put out this year like the rest of the new ones coming up will be.

Of course Intel will have newer and better too, but their price support curtain is getting weaker and weaker and the new Intel pricing will go up and up and up.

Intel should also be very worried that MS is embracing Qualcomm into the Win 10 family of supported chipsets -- Qualcomm has been CONSISTENTLY kicking Intel's butt in mobile all along the way.   Should Mediatek or Allwinner or Rockchip get this same MS support, then Intel's future looks very bleak indeed.
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Reply #233 - 03/22/15 at 11:01:48
 

http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/01/21/antutu-benchmark-rockchip-rk3288-arm-v...

RK3288 is getting some attention now since it seems to outperform Intel's much price supported chipsets application processors and still costs less money.



Remember the history,  ARM gave this chipset to Rockchip so they could block Intel's entry into tablet space with a superior product sold at a cheaper price.   At the time it was seen as somewhat over-powered for the job, but ARM gave it to Rockchip for a purpose.

And it filled that purpose admirably ..... but then Intel started PAYING people to use their chipset application processor (note I did not say chipset because Intel's stuff is NOT AN INTEGRATED SOC AT ALL and requires many additional components to be put on the motherboard to make up for what is lacking).  

Intel paid out $8 Billion dollars to overcome the RK3288, but did nothing to change the actual comparative dynamics of the RK3288 chipset vs their own chips.    First shots out of the gun on Broadwell M is still on rough parity with this current 28nm RK3288.

Now, a full year later, the base dynamics are showing through and please note that RK3288 is also primed to reduce in lithography to 20nm or 16nm any time TSMC is ready to do that.  

Plus, since licensing is done already and the Chromebook work with Google is done already, a current standard 28nm 6 or 8 core A17 versions are also very possible for Chromeboxes (at a corded power consumption similar to Intel's Core i5 products).

At 16nm a reworked 6-8 core RK3288 version would likely be laptop battery type power rated as well, since it is at 28nm right now and sips power right now better than Intel does at 22nm.

A successful Chromebook and Chromebox or two will drive this sort of action quite quickly, and the RK3288 can act as the interim stopgap until the A57 gets cheap and the A72 comes on board and matures as well.  

Just as ARM originally intended.

Should MS see the chipset as a desirable item they could add support for it in Win10 so it could then be the basis of a lower cost Chromekiller on their side of the fence.  

This would only be logical from MS's point of view since Intel has nothing close to the real price and real performance to do that critical job.

Intel would hate this idea a lot, since a MS supported 4, 6 or 8 core ARM anything (at 20nm or 16nm especially) would be a direct threat to the low end of their normal laptop business.

Look to see an Intel name branded RK3288 variant pop into existence real soon ....


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Just like ARM gave the A12 and A17 to Rockchip to block Intel, the sudden appearance and instant shipment status of the new ass-kicking ARM Cortex A72 out of Mediatek is another Intel blocking move by ARM.   This chipset looks to be able to block the still pending 14nm Intel chip products quite nicely.

Intel will be sniffing around at Mediatek's butt now wanting to get all friendly, but I think Mediatek had to sign some more thorough agreements with ARM to get the A72 given to them and Intel is likely wasting their time.    Mediatek isn't likely to go the Rockchip path, since they see Rockchip got no real benefit out of the Intel arrangement and is now paying full retail for ARM designs now and not getting them early, either.

But trust that Intel will play just as dirty as needed to keep ARM chipsets out of the normal laptop market for just as long as they possibly can.

Once MS supports ARM processors and they show up in low end normal laptops, the end begins for Intel.   Not that the end will be quick, but instead it will be as long and as messy as you can imagine, pending China's government agencies finally acting against one of Intel's "actions in restraint of trade".  

So far Rockchip doesn't seem to have been damaged much by Intel, and the choir of little hockey stick guys haven't been run out of business so far to any noticeable degree.

So, Intel just bleeds and pays and bleeds and pays .......
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Reply #234 - 03/23/15 at 06:52:29
 

Intel has been observed working with Asus and Acer and such to roll out a series of Core i3 and Core i5 variants of Chromeboxes instead of upgrading their older mobile chipsets.    (energy efficiency isn't a prime concern on a corded desktop unit after all)

The price of the units are popping up an additional $50-60 when this happens, sometimes higher.

Intel is attempting to pre-compete against the new upcoming class of ARM processors by getting into all the desktop units with heavier duty Core i3 and i5 series chips before the new ARM processors actually arrive.   Intel can do this quickly by price supporting the new low end i3 and i5 chips in the same way they did the older Chromebook chipsets.

Who exactly they are robbing now to price support their i3 and i5 chips is a point of curiosity.  

But it is obvious the Intel price supports and the ARM/Intel conflict areas are now going to lap on up into the low end laptop and desktop range now.
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Reply #235 - 03/24/15 at 04:53:13
 

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-Broadwell-Based-Chromebooks-Tipped-for-Q...

Softpedia deals in interpretations and interpretive "rumor mongering" so take the base facts mentioned as true, but the spin interpretation is just that.

So this Intel plugging in of the i3 and i5 is seen as an interim move to get some extra power into the chromebook space pending Intel getting the right chips for Chromespace designed, ready, built and soldered in place with this being done in the second half of this year at the earliest.

It is also seen as a conscious manipulation of the price point since some people are starting to PREFER the Chromebook now Intel feels they can start charging some higher premium prices for better versions of it.

"These predictions are made via Intel’s roadmap, which shows us that Chromebooks with Broadwell chips inside will land on the market in early 2015. These new chips will replace the Pentium and Celeron ones.

Judging by Intel’s multiple delays, however, there’s a strong possibility that the new Broadwell Celeron and Pentium chips will end up making an appearance on the market in Q2 2015.

Intel is also preparing Core i5 and Core i7 5th generation processors in Q1 2015, processors that will replace the current Haswell lineup.

What’s more, models currently running on what’s being called the Essential Series Bay Trail-M chips will be revamped. Soon enough, the Bay Trail-M platform will give up its place and be replaced by Braswell Celeron and Pentium products instead.

Chromebooks are starting to draw more and more attention upon themselves, especially in the business sector. Even if Windows still rules supreme in this ecosystem, Chromebooks are slowly starting to infiltrate it.

For example, just last week numbers coming from research firm NPD showed us that B2B (business-to-business) sales in the US had spiked over 250% in the last year. B2B incorporates governmental establishments, organizations, and businesses that usually buy these machines in bulk.

Currently, Chromebooks are seeing a lot of success in the educational market, which is driving a lot of the sale of these products.

According to NPD, in the first five months of the year, Chromebooks manages to account for up to 35% of all notebooks sales ,  a percent that translates into 1.4 million units sold."


Because of Microsoft's size issues with the bulkiness of Win 10 simply not fitting on the little flash drives very well it looks like the low end Chromebooks will continue to grow and take market share away from the Wintel world.   Business zone penetration has begun as well.

Plus, on the lower end processors that rule Chromespace MS Windows is a slow tortoise sometimes and Chrome is always a fast hare, comparatively speaking.   Quick sells to people who are used to poky old slow Windows machines.

Plus, if the spin on this article is right, Intel thinks Chromebooks are actually becoming a "preference"  item with some folks now, a preference that can support some of Intel's greedy thinking and market manipulations to maximize Intel's profit margins.

I think that during this period when Intel is price supporting their old 22nm i3 and i5  a whole lot of CHEAP heavy hitter Intel Chromeboxes are going to fall into the hands of the Chrome Box modder boys in Europe -- and I look for the Asus version of this price supported Chromebox traffic to become VERY popular in Europe (who will turn them into cheap Linux boxes).

Asus should design a slightly taller case with a decent quiet fan and enough bracket room for a thin laptop style hard drive.

Look for bumped up dual boot Chrome / Linux boxes to be resold in Europe by value added resellers.  
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Reply #236 - 03/24/15 at 09:44:15
 

From whence comes this sudden adoption of Qualcomm SOC products into MS's lonely bosom?    How did Intel so quickly exit MS's bed and another take its place in MS's affections?

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-adds-former-qualcomm-exec-peggy-johnso...


I don't always look this good now-a-days, but I do this for spec shots just to remind everybody I had a lot of pretty to go along with my drive and my brains.

Meet Peggy Johnson, the moving force behind MS's getting close to Qualcomm, the two companies putting out joint standards for the Internet of things, putting Qualcomm's big new processors at the forefront of Win10 development, making sure there are real alternatives to go to when Intel reaches the end of its loss leader rope -- meet Peggy Johnson.

I find it fascinating that one person can make so much goodie happen so quickly.
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Reply #237 - 03/24/15 at 09:54:19
 

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/03/qualcomms-snapdragon-820-will-feature-...

Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 820 will feature Kryo CPU, Krait’s 64-bit successor

This is Qualcomm's custom cored processor that is intended to outdo the stock ARM Cortex A72 products that will be landing at the same time.

It will be built at 16nm or 14nm (TSMC or Samsung).   It will land second half of this year.  

It will debut as a Win 10 supported chipset able to run a laptop or desktop device.   It may indeed kick some arse in the mobile world and further wound Intel in the Chromebook/light laptop realm.

Do you smell a Chromekiller in the making?    One where the software guy and the hardware guy are working closely together?

Intel, whatcha got to fix this mess?

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Reply #238 - 03/27/15 at 14:34:44
 
Seen this in the news section.....  wonder who will take them up on it?
I think I will wait until about the sixth month mark before I upgrade. Unless it forces me to do it like win 8.1 did.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/microsoft-clarifies-who-gets-free-windows-10-11473...
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Reply #239 - 03/28/15 at 04:04:48
 

The story keeps changing ..... Win10 ranges from totally free to totally free to developers to a yearly fee arrangement.    It changes every time somebody from MS "talks" to the press.

MS now has a PR problem with charging for the OS since no one else does that any more.   What you may see is a OFFICE/Major softwares/OS package maintenance deal come out where you pay to "be taken care of" across the board by MS.

Or you may see something nobody has even predicted yet.

Rest assured that MS needs to collect money from you somehow --- they are not a charitable organization by any means.

However, they have a HUGE PR ISSUE right now with the last 2 versions of their OS having sucked so very very very badly that people didn't want to use it.

They also have an issue with 25% of their laptop customers having left them to go over to Chromebooks, which they find they like Chromebooks a LOT for various good reasons.   This MS has to stop, ASAP, or they could simply lose too many customers.

Also rest assured that the Chinese users won't pay for anything (their government says so) .... you see they have a government that takes care of them using the national police to make that salient but firm point to MS.

So, MS is just going to feel their way through the land mines and charge whatever they can as they feel with their feet along the way.

Trust what is free this year may pick up a small upgrade fee next year.

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