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Reply #435 - 07/09/15 at 19:41:17
 
And yahoo, has this story about IBM and the new 7nm chip....

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/ibm-computer-chips-obliterate-everything-else-ma...
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Reply #436 - 07/09/15 at 20:05:23
 

ttps://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/ibm-computer-chips-obliterate-everything-else-mar...

"What’s the fastest computer chip you can think of? Now, forget about it, because IBM announced it has created the fastest computer chips ever made. The firm’s new chips are four times faster than today’s top-of-the-line silicon, and they’re also significantly more efficient."

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Reply #437 - 07/09/15 at 22:29:47
 

It must really suck being Intel right now --- really really suck NOT being the "intellectual leader" any more, not even in the brown vapor bullshite mindspace land that the Intel PR group has lived in for so long.

You do realize that IBM is deeply involved now with Apple, and Samsung, and Global Foundry?

Whatever IBM can conceptualize and prove out as a new process, then Samsung can build it using Apple's yearly production lots to prove it out and fine tune it, just like they are doing with 10nm as we speak.   Global will swing in there about 1-2 years later on, as they have money to buy the equipment once it is proven out completely.

Intel has nothing to even go play by themselves over any more ..... and running off to Data Center Land isn't going to be a functional dodge except for mebbe about a year's worth of delaying the inevitable.

"Stockholder perceived value" in the Intel new 14nm Data Center Products is headed down the toilet bowl soon enough when a competitor shows up tossing 10nm chipsets up on the table.

Intel's investors are not really endlessly self-deluded and the choir boys have nothing to sing any Intel hymns over any more ..... the only thing Intel got out of 14nm so far was a very mild decrease in energy consumption, which gets zeroed out if they push the chip some to get some "equal performance" compared to their old 22nm stuff.   Plus, a 14nm wafer is so much more expensive to run there is no size/yield $$$ benefit to be had so far.

Current and upcoming IBM/Apple/Samsung patents should hold up in court should Intel go to copying as Samsung and Apple have both the guts and the technical chops to go string Intel up over any patent infractions.

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2x and 3x turbo mode my arse ---- Intel's days as a misleading "technical dictator" are over.
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Reply #438 - 07/11/15 at 17:33:35
 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2887772/how-to-turn-your-old-phone-into-a-basi...

http://www.amazon.com/Onedayshop%C2%AE-Docking-Station-Charger-Samsung/dp/B00...



Oh, my Goodness --- According to PCWorld them durn Android phone boys are at it again ......

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They now have a term for these generic dock thingies.   "Smart Dock" is what they are called.   Prices are less than $30 for most common Android phones.


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HOWEVER, once you pay for the dock and the cables and the Playstore Andronium software you will have about as much money in it as my $87 Dell/Linux Big Black Monolith --- and trust me, the Big Black Monolith effortlessly kicks phone butt every day of the year and it still doesn't speed the fan up any at all.

AND, to prove the Monolith is an actual improvement, I loaded up the same movie that killed the last box (running the ATI card extra bright to clarify the dark dark motif used in the movie) and I watched it all over again.

Was it a fair test --- NO --- no dust bunnies choking up the air vents.   Still, the big box did flawlessly.




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Reply #439 - 07/11/15 at 22:24:15
 
I'd be tempted to get the smart dock just to not have to pay for internet service for my PC, especially with the issues I been having
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Reply #440 - 07/12/15 at 06:00:12
 

Art, none of these things mean you don't have to have internet service.    To use all of the most modern tech, you must have internet service, and a wifi router.

Trying to use a phone carrier to replace internet service is a bust due to phone carriers overcharging for everything.    It would be a very bad move.

The flow is the other way now, using house and business internet service (running through a wifi router) to replace what the phone carriers are overcharging for.

To properly understand these things, you need to get a wifi based router into your house, which last time we went through it with the Chromebox you still hadn't done.

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Reply #441 - 07/12/15 at 06:49:07
 
My cell service includes unlimited internet, which I already pay for, and am not abandoning for wifi based cell service, because I need phone service when I'm not at home, too, so the payout there is a null factor (using it for a primary web browser wouldn't cost me any more than I'm already paying)

My primary reason for thinking along these lines is not due to cost, though lowering my monthly payout would be nice, but because I have TWC Roadrunner, and ever since they started negotiating to sell theirselves to Comcast, I've been having to reset my cable modem multiple times a day, which I suspect is due to the 'someone else is gonna own all this soon, why bother to maintain it?' syndrome, so why would I pay the ISP who's doing this crap more money for a wireless connection that won't be any better?
that's just silly IMO

What I ought to do is find another ISP
Probably go back to DSL, as Roadrunner was faster when they first hooked me up, but has now slowed to typical DSL speeds

Not sure how to go about that with no home phone service
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Reply #442 - 07/12/15 at 11:14:12
 

It is year's end for MS and Intel and they are rolling up their fudgy numbers for their stock holders.

It is also the appointed time to kill off unsuccessful plans from this year and replace them with something more profitable for next year.

You will read lots and lots of scary numbers. like PC lost 14% market share this past year and Chromebooks increased by 27%, but please, just remember that these figures all are comparisons back to themselves and not to their competition nor to the total market of devices (which would be REAL and meaningful numbers, but these sorts of numbers are intentionally AVOIDED by both Intel and MS because they don't WANT their stockholders to get a real picture of anything as it would possibly scare them off).



In truth, all of MS is really only about 10% of every computing device out there, and Chromebooks are about 2-3% of that same figure and both together are just a wee pimple on the butt of greatly increasing daily smart phone sales world-wide.

You see Intel and MS both shedding entire divisions like a tree sheds leaves in the fall, and yes their branches will look sorta bare for a while.   But in both cases the companies are making room for new leaves and new (profitable) businesses that will come out of the investments they are currently making in the Internet of Things.

So, don't morn, when big black monoliths like my Dell box can be bought for $60 (yes, soon enough that will be true) and don't morn when new devices won't run a DVD any more -- button style USB drives will be the delivery mode of the future for new movies and games and such if it isn't by download 100% anyway (as much is today).

The big future will be the Internet of Things, where every device is smart because that "smart enough to be smart" just costs pennies now days, so why wouldn't it be?

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Reply #443 - 07/13/15 at 09:45:09
 

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/208968-report-claims-intel-will-delay-10...

Report claims Intel will delay 10nm Cannonlake CPUs, substitute new 14nm products in place of the downsized product.



Well, this one counts for a two-fer.    Two big goof ups for the cost of one.

In the same announcement Intel says 10nm Cannon Lake isn't ever coming ...... ever ..... AND they announce that Skylake will be re-concepted as Kaby Lake which will be a different product class completely.    How different will be determined later once they design it.

What does all it mean?   Intel's new smaller stuff isn't working out at all, so they are ditching it and going back to the drawing boards yet again, intending to get 14nm to work correctly before digging their hole deeper and deeper with more failed die shrinks past 14nm.

Or else to invent a new name and create some broad but reduced product claims that fit more exactly what Intel's 14nm reality will actually provide in a production grade non-sorted direct ship-able product.    

Wink     Watch out, that range is "2-3x turbo" range so look for some new creative writing to go on here.

Also, please note the Intel road map up through 2017- 2018 just got trashed --- oh well.

This is one heck of an Intel come back to the day old IBM announcement of their functional 7nm chipsets, huh?

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Reply #444 - 07/14/15 at 09:24:28
 

Prediction time:

Intel continues to "fix" their 14nm stuff, making up as many new processor names as needed.    Eventually, they will fix it and ship it in real volume.    

You may notice a remarked similarity between some of the failed current 14nm Broadwell offerings and some of the 1-2 step down "not named yet" type offerings in the future, so watch out for smeared ink on the chipsets from the ink removing and re-imprinting steps.    

Remember, there is also a large mass of sub-par silicone out there from all the Apple lots being sorted for good/bad too .....

Intel skips over 10nm completely since they have no tech coming on board to build it with.  Instead, they eventually use IBM's Germanium Extreme Ultraviolet lithography production system at 7nm.   Not wishing to repeat their "go it on their own" massive screw ups yet again, Intel pays royalties to IBM and licenses the real IBM tech that seems to work so well for Samsung and Apple.

Intel's high cost posture limits what they can do competitively against Samsung and Global Foundry, but Intel now has a functional pathway to survive through the next 5 years.   Intel survives, but loses their ever shrinking Apple business completely during the struggle years.  

Apple gets stronger and stronger, taking more market share away from MS PC.

Samsung continues work on 10nm for Apple for shipment next summer, builds them on time and ships them successfully on time.  Between Samsung's and Global's production of 14nm and 10nm and 7nm the top end of the ARM world continues to make progress for the next 3 years in small steady incremental steps.

Apple designs a 7nm chipset to run on the new IBM process (or else rewrites their software to run on the IBM PowerPC chipset that already exists right now).   Apple's need for new progress for 2017-2019 has not gone away with Intel's big "womping around floundering wildly" 14nm mess that they have going on right now.

Microsoft with Win 10 stays pretty much embedded in PC land and makes little progress moving into phones and mobile space.   Lacking a phone basis, their attempts in IoT are of minor impact as higher cost and increased complexity are not MS's friends any more.

Android folks find a relatively complete smart dock standard is already sitting there in Android M and the Oriental World embraces their new more powerful cell phones sitting in a dock on their desk as their main PC experience.  

Google Android slowly accepts all the FOSS bits and pieces (such as resizable windows and menu bars) that the orientals write into the Android open source code to support these docked uses.

Google does not actively participate in the mad rush to phone/PC, but Ubuntu and Microsoft duke it out to be first to get there.   Google and Linaro just quietly accept and standardizes what free and open source dockable marketplace can come up with.

http://liliputing.com/2015/07/ubuntu-phone-gains-landscape-support-paves-way-...




"Ultimately this paves the way for something Canonical is calling Convergence: the ability to treat your smartphone as both a mobile phone and a desktop computer.

Since Ubuntu for phones shares a code base with Ubuntu for desktop or notebook computers, the idea is that you’ll be able to use mobile-friendly apps on the go and hook up a keyboard, mouse, and display to run full-fledged desktop apps when you’re at home or at the office.

Microsoft is building a similar feature (called “Continuum for phones”) into the next version of its Windows operating system for smartphones. But both Microsoft and Canonical suggest that their desktop/smartphone hybrid software will require a fair amount of processing power: both companies say that you probably won’t be able to take full advantage of the desktop-style features on current hardware. You’ll probably need to buy a new phone… once new phones that support Convergence/Continuum are available."
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Re: The Chrome Wars
Reply #445 - 07/15/15 at 18:08:50
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/07/acer-cloudbook-laptops-with-windows-10-coming-s...

Acer Cloudbook laptops with Windows 10 coming soon for $169 and up



OK, here come the real Chromebook killers --- the Cloudbooks !!!!

Acer is likely to use the exact same hardware as a Chromebook on at least one model so the playing field on that one should be level and smoooth -- so let the contest begin !!!!

May the best player win market share !!!!

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Reply #446 - 07/16/15 at 07:04:16
 

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/intels-kaby-lake-to-replac...
 
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/intel-confirms-tick-tock-shattering-ka...

http://liliputing.com/2015/07/intels-upcoming-kaby-lake-chips-will-still-be-1...


Intel breaks the tick tock cycle -- stuck on 14nm  tock tock tock





What does this mean?    By this new schedule Intel will still be stuck on 14nm while Samsung and Global are producing 10nm stuff for the world and then Samsung will be swinging over to 7nm for the current crop of Apple chipsets while Intel is still struggling to keep Kaby Lake cooled down well enough to perform worth a shite.

Also please note that Intel, 3 years from now, still plans to still be making 2 part chipsets (full systems integration still not achieved).

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Reply #447 - 07/16/15 at 07:32:14
 

Let's talk odds for a bit.

We got 3 years of "no progress" laid out before us by Intel's new schedule --- what are the odds that the market is going to change DRASTICALLY in the next 3 years?    Pretty good odds on that one, I think.    Go read the first page of this thread and see how much has changed in just the last year.

Intel has laid out a future of 2 part PC daughter-board style chipsets --- what are the odds that "something else" will come along inside that 3 years to supplant PC style chipsets pretty much completely?

Is Intel just going to refill its deep pockets in the Data Center World for the next few years so when "something else" comes along they can jump on it before it moves along right on past them again?

Think of Intel as a hungry cat, coiled up over there on the sidelines, ready to pounce ......  

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Reply #448 - 07/16/15 at 08:40:49
 

Reading between the lines ......

Intel is out of it for a while, sidelined, because of 14nm thermal problems.    They will intentionally sit over there in Data Center Land until the fur quits flying over in phone space.

MS has partnered with Qualcomm to make their phone/PC happen.  Qualcomm has leaked some benchmarks on their 820 chipset that clearly outdo the current Samsung Nexus 6 chipsets ......  (some serious hardware, in other words)

Samsung however is calmly sitting on a running 10nm process with a 7nm process under development and some significantly improved ARM designs (aka Core A-72 gen 2 stuff) so they do have a comeback ready to go.    

Plus, Samsung understands what Apple and IBM and Qualcomm are up to .....  they are building the chipsets for all of the above, after all.    And Apple gets all ARM designs a full year before everyone else does, so ARM's unannounced brand newest can come into play quite quickly if it is needed.

When the first big heavy duty shoe drops, it will be a PC class, laptop class, integrated cell phone chipset.  When everybody else drops their shoes the phone/PC race will be on for serious as the hardware just gets better and better and better.

When it starts to shake out and the power level gets on up there, Intel will then spring a unleaked, no brown vapor surprise on everybody.    The very best they can figure out how to do.   Intel has a whole lot of powerful non-efficient 2 part chipset daughterboards they can pull from.

The Intel kitty cat will surely pounce on the things that run off of wall socket power .....   then be smacked in the side of their head bone by something else brand new from IBM research and Apple.


Sounds like fun, huh ???

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Reply #449 - 07/17/15 at 18:58:51
 

http://liliputing.com/2015/07/microsoft-cortana-assistant-for-android-leaked-...



Cortana for Android is out now, and MS intends for it to allow you to run Cortana on your Android phone and do Wifi interface with your MS Win 10 laptop or computer.

If you think MS is trying to hijack all the Android and Apple phones out there and link them into Win 10 machines ..... you are RIGHT !!!!

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