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Reply #90 - 07/17/15 at 09:59:24
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/17/leonardo-corp-looking-to-sell-e-cat-heat...

Don't want to take any risk or make any investment, but do want some cheap heat?  

Leonardo Corporation (Hydrofusion) can fix you right up.


"The Ecat.com website, which is run by Hydrofusion, a Swedish licensee for Leonardo Corp. in Europe, has a page on their website titled “ECAT Heat Energy” with the following information:

Leonardo Corporation now offers ECAT Heat Energy as a separate product solution. The ECAT plants are owned and operated by Leonardo Corporation while installed in the customers facilities or at a location in the vicinity of the customers facilities depending on local needs and infrastructure.

The ECAT Heat Energy is delivered by steam at 100-120 Celsius and extracted through the customers local heat exchangers. Return temperatures can be in any range between 5-95 Celsius.

Leonardo Corporation initially look for customers with 24/7 facility operation due to ECAT plants preferred continuous operation.

Please contact for quotes

ecat.com/ecat-products/ecat-energy

This seems to be a significant piece of news, since it looks like Andrea Rossi’s Leonardo Corporation has settled on a business model for selling heat. It appears that Leonardo will be selling heat, not E-Cat plants, and will be operating the plants on customer sites, or close to those sites. I’m sure one main reason for this is to protect the plants, to prevent customers from tampering with the E-Cats in efforts to discover secret information."


Also note that Industrial Heat is not mentioned -- this is the Swedish Rossi group's move.   They will buy a container from Industrial Heat and park it at your place and run it for you and charge you a discounted rate for the heat produced.

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Reply #91 - 07/17/15 at 16:30:51
 
Soooo, the folks in the shipping department really are
Packing Heat?
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Reply #92 - 07/18/15 at 17:39:29
 
 
Well, I think they also are going to be racking up all the hours needed for a Swedish safety certification, and by them still owning the container and the process they aren't selling anything yet except generic steam, so that part is all kosher too.

I also think Rossi and the guys will pre-crank all the cores and get everything to the "easy do" steady state stage before shipping it.

Remember, a 1 megawatt plant hot cat plant is now a desk sized 4 each 250 watt cores instead of container sized set of 100 cores ......

Much easier to keep track of too, I would think.
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Reply #93 - 07/22/15 at 11:16:21
 

In case you haven't heard,  Rossi popped a hernia pedaling his bicycle.  He has had surgery and is now recovering in a bed inside his container with this new process running right beside the bed.

This brings up a valid question. Since Rossi has kept so much of his process secret from all parties, what happens if he drops dead?

I think the folks at Industrial Heat need to take some positive quiet action to preserve Rossi's current knowledge of the process he's been working on.

Next I think they need to get him an Assistant to work with him and to consciously preserve what the man knows because he knows a lot and it is not replicated or written down anywhere.
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Reply #94 - 07/22/15 at 11:29:25
 
Doesn't his daughter do all the talking for him?
She should probably know his secrets, since she is his translator and usually goes everywhere with him. (from what videos I have seen)
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Reply #95 - 07/22/15 at 13:14:58
 
Surely he's smart enough to know that claiming there is no backup and SHOULD be die, this ends... that's a target on his back.
His  process ,if successful, will cost some Big people some Big bucks.
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Reply #96 - 07/23/15 at 05:37:35
 

Old_Rider,

The one you are thinking about is the old Russian guy Parkhomov.

Rossi has nobody.

And yes, Justin, why do you think he stays inside a solid steel box inside an industrial compound in an unknown location?

His death is worth 100's of billions to big oil and the ragheads ......
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Reply #97 - 07/23/15 at 05:59:46
 
WOW! I'm surprised someone hasn't paid to have him declared paranoid and hauled off to an institution, where he could commit suicide.
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Reply #98 - 07/23/15 at 06:15:22
 

It's funny in a way ..... when he was just Rossi the farcical comical old cold fusion crank guy he could go anywhere and say anything to anybody.   Nobody cared as nobody took him seriously.

Now folks are fighting over his old licenses and he is hidden away from the public and he makes NO physical visits to anywhere.

Is he being paranoid, or just trying to keep folks from finding his container and slapping a claymore on to the side of it?

Shocked

You start reading about people popping some misc storage containers with RPGs all drive by style and you might begin to connect a dot or two .....

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Reply #99 - 07/26/15 at 13:21:33
 
 
http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/26/rossis-hot-cat-hopes/

Rossi’s Hot Cat Hopes [Update #2: New Model Running Now]

UPDATE: Andrea Rossi was asked on the JONP why he was so excited by this new iteration of the Hot Cat, when he has made many changes over the years. His response:

Andrea Rossi
July 25th, 2015 at 8:11 AM
Albert N.:
Because I made a revolution in it. It is a completely new thing that, by my calculatons, should ( SHOULD) improve the “classic” one. It is an attempt: if it goes, the improvement, in term of ssm, will be strong. Otherwise, it is a wrong idea. The only way to know is to make an experiment. The funny part is how I got this idea: after the hernia surgery, when I woke up from the total anesthesy I got through, I had to stay some hour in a room, with pain. I am used to overcome pain relaxing and focusing strongly in something; obviously I focused on a new reactor and it came out. Now we did it, tomorrow goes in action. We’ll see if she is an abort or a baby. If she is a baby, is a M.me Curie!
Warm Regards,
A.R.

UPDATE #2 (July 26, 2015)

The new model Hot Cat has apparently started up:

Andrea Rossi
July 26th, 2015 at 12:22 AM
Paul:
In this moment here it is 01.20 a.m. of Sunday July 26.
The new Hot Cat is just started. She is promising well, but obviously before saying anything worth to be listened is necessary a period of several days.
Warm Regards
A.R


Rossi has 3 generations of hot cats running in his container at this time, with two of them being new and are "notable advancements on the idea" compared to the original 100 cores that were first installed.    

Also note that because of 2-4x efficiency improvements only 4 of the newer larger cores are needed to equal the 50 of the originally installed cores (the 100 core plant is now more efficient too and keeps over half of its cores off line now just to keep from overproducing steam).

Reading the various comments, Rossi was doped to the gills after his hernia surgery and that excited his thinking bone a bit and some new approaches came to him in his waking pain dreams and he wrote them all down.

He's got the first of these experiments already up and running already --- there is a supposition that he is using a small controlled hot cat (either nearby central to a cluster of larger cores or inside a much larger lower temp core)  to excite the much larger core body, with coils of wire around that one that are intended to catch the induced DC current that is produced by the big 'un in reaction to the controlled dance of the little one inside it.

The much much higher COP comes from only paying to heat and excite the one small central core, with it providing the free energy to pump the other larger more massive core(s).    Key thing is if the power generation pick up coil outside the whole affair, if it can make enough juice to control / power the small center core, then you got the potential for a mobile power plant.

That's 3 significant levels of improvements inside a year --- not a bad rate of improvement, huh?

It is clear also that Rossi is reacting to the work done by the Chinese government, which is struggling to control a similar "mobile intended" plant as we speak.
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Reply #100 - 07/26/15 at 14:47:40
 
IF it does become a marketable product, this guy is, or should, become the next household name. If not, I'll call him one helluva man, for his dedication and focus, his passion and his intellect. Note the time of the report. His life revolves around the project. I'd expect that the Great composers and inventors of the world have been consumed, always thinking about how to,
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Reply #101 - 07/26/15 at 15:06:00
 
 
Rossi is riding that tiger, gripping them tiger ears fiercely.    The odds of him outdoing everybody else long term are just about nil, but he sure is going to kill himself trying.
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Reply #102 - 07/27/15 at 08:32:02
 
 
http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/27/mfmp-setting-up-long-term-test-reheating...

MFMP Setting Up Long Term Test, Reheating Padua Glowstick




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epkyAZ4tctE&feature=youtu.be

This is an already known to be successful reactor that is being run now for "the distance" in order to get a full range of breakdown/buildup products from it when they take it apart for detail analysis after the full run.

Look at the equipment, an Ardueno and a Raspberry Pi (running the input power sensors and some handheld temp sensors and hard sensing wires and radiation counters) are all the computing power necessary to report the full experiment in a full data logging fashion, and likely either one could easily run a production unit as it will not require all the various data sensors and data logging.

This collaboration was done to automate the data collection and power adjustment so somebody does not have to be sitting there the whole time recording numbers and manually tweeking dials.

I wish them luck !!!!    

This is the very best of "dirt basement" internet science  .......     Cheesy
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Reply #103 - 07/29/15 at 12:34:04
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/28/rossis-hot-cat-hopes/

Now this is new -- Rossi insinuates he has a way to keep the reactor going AFTER the nickel powder has melted down in spots ....

...... and he has a new, unknown method of heating up and controlling the reactor as no electrical resistance wire exists that can run that hot .....

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Reply #104 - 07/29/15 at 14:39:58
 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/29/rossi-e-cat-can-operate-beyond-melting-p...

Folks immediately press Rossi for some details on ultra high temperatures  (past what resistance wire technology can take).    Some of the questions seem intended to probe the possible use of induction heating to heat and control the reactors.

Rossi: E-Cat Can Operate Beyond Melting Point of Nickel (Update: Intrinsic Safety ‘Still Valid’)
Posted on July 29, 2015 by Frank Acland • 14 Comments

We’ve been hearing from Andrea Rossi about how his latest version of the Hot Cat was recently able to run at 1380°C for ten hours — and this is quite close to the melting point of nickel — which is 1455°C. It has been stated by Rossi in the past that the E-Cat stops when the nickel powder melts, but today there’s quite a surprise in a comment from him when asked whether the E-Cat could “under special conditions, this temperature can be overcome (still working well), without destructive hot spots.”

Here’s the reply:

Andrea Rossi
July 29th, 2015 at 7:23 AM
Italo R.:
We can overcome that limit, for reasons I am not allowed to explain.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

So that’s a bit of a revelation. One thing that comes to mind is that Rossi has said that the E-Cat is ‘intrinsically safe’ since the reaction stops when the nickel powder reaches melting point — but from what Rossi now says, that would not be the case.

It’s been years since the original E-Cat was developed, and it would not be too surprising to me if during all the R&D, new discoveries about the E-Cat process, and new methods of exploiting the “Rossi Effect” had been achieved. But this news seems to take away some of the limits of the E-Cat, and it makes me wonder what this could mean for the future of this technology. 1380°C is certainly hot enough to generate supercritical steam — so important for electricity generation — but what could one do with even higher temperatures, and what’s the limit now?

UPDATE: I asked Rossi on the JONP about what he had said in the past regarding the E-Cat being intrinsically safe after melting point of nickel had been reached: “If the melting point of nickel can now be passed, is the intrinsic safety feature no longer valid?”

Rossi responded:

Andrea Rossi
July 29th, 2015 at 12:47 PM
Frank Acland:
I am very sorry, but to answer to this question I’d have to give confidential information. The principle of the intrinsic safety is still valid, though.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
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