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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Engine Rebuild Tips and Opinions Reply #60 - 07/16/15 at 19:22:28 You retard the timing to prevent pinging. and advance for more zoom. but the pickup is pretty hard to get to.
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Iceman4193 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 96	Re: Engine Rebuild Tips and Opinions Reply #61 - 07/17/15 at 11:03:10 While doing the piston swap and all do you come across it at any point to be able to make adjustments? Im not sure where it is
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29712 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Engine Rebuild Tips and Opinions Reply #62 - 07/17/15 at 11:08:26 verslagen1 wrote on 07/16/15 at 19:22:28: You retard the timing to prevent pinging. and advance for more zoom. The preferred nomenclature is "challenge"... You challenge the timing... ...
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Engine Rebuild Tips and Opinions Reply #63 - 07/17/15 at 11:40:11 Iceman4193 wrote on 07/17/15 at 11:03:10: While doing the piston swap and all do you come across it at any point to be able to make adjustments? Im not sure where it is It's under the stator cover.
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Iceman4193 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 96	Re: Engine Rebuild Tips and Opinions Reply #64 - 07/17/15 at 13:04:29 opposite side as the oil filter?
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18638 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Engine Rebuild Tips and Opinions Reply #65 - 07/17/15 at 14:03:03 Iceman4193 wrote on 07/17/15 at 13:04:29: opposite side as the oil filter? Can't help but wonder where you are headed with this. You don't know where it is....and you want to modify it? Little black coil in the following photo is the pickkup......
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Iceman4193 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 96	Re: Engine Rebuild Tips and Opinions Reply #66 - 07/17/15 at 14:12:09 Only one way to learn right?
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Reply #67 - 07/17/15 at 16:52:41

When I was nineteen a guy at the parts store told me that the best thing I could do for my car was knock a hole in the hood and drop a chain through, bring it around the bumper and chain the hood down and leave it alone.

I don't recommend a newbie starting at such a place. Honestly, I recommend getting some miles on it. Enjoy riding, learn basic maintenance, deal with valve adjustments and cam chain tensioner, tune the carb and exhaust. Get comfortable with the thing, then dive in. Risking screwing it up before you have a chance to have fun with it seems kinda screwy.

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Reply #68 - 07/19/15 at 09:11:18

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/17/15 at 16:52:41:

When I was nineteen a guy at the parts store told me that the best thing I could do for my car was knock a hole in the hood and drop a chain through, bring it around the bumper and chain the hood down and leave it alone.

I don't recommend a newbie starting at such a place. Honestly, I recommend getting some miles on it. Enjoy riding, learn basic maintenance, deal with valve adjustments and cam chain tensioner, tune the carb and exhaust. Get comfortable with the thing, then dive in. Risking screwing it up before you have a chance to have fun with it seems kinda screwy.

I've been a mechanic professionally for a few months (Diesels) and I have done all my own work since before I could drive Cheesy

I know the engine components, just with bikes, and then this bike in particular, things are a little different. Like I said I just like to get a general idea of where things are before I start rather than just exploring as I go Grin

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Reply #69 - 07/19/15 at 09:22:23

Iceman4193 wrote on 07/19/15 at 09:11:18:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/17/15 at 16:52:41:

When I was nineteen a guy at the parts store told me that the best thing I could do for my car was knock a hole in the hood and drop a chain through, bring it around the bumper and chain the hood down and leave it alone.

I don't recommend a newbie starting at such a place. Honestly, I recommend getting some miles on it. Enjoy riding, learn basic maintenance, deal with valve adjustments and cam chain tensioner, tune the carb and exhaust. Get comfortable with the thing, then dive in. Risking screwing it up before you have a chance to have fun with it seems kinda screwy.

I've been a mechanic professionally for a few months (Diesels) and I have done all my own work since before I could drive Cheesy

I know the engine components, just with bikes, and then this bike in particular, things are a little different. Like I said I just like to get a general idea of where things are before I start rather than just exploring as I go Grin

That's where I started, too
You'll find bikes much easier, so far as repair goes
You'll find it harder to find extra HP though, the factory does a pretty good job squeezing the power out of a bike motor
There's a little left in there, but not much, without chnging cams, tec

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Iceman4193 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 96	Re: Engine Rebuild Tips and Opinions Reply #70 - 07/19/15 at 12:24:11 I'm going that route. Already have my 97mm Wiseco and gonna be getting the 36mm VM soon. Just need a Stage 3 Cam, 1.5" Header, Cylinder Bore, and either a chain conversion for a lower gear ratio or if I can find belt pullies that would work to keep the belt. And ya, gas is much easier and cleaner that DSL
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Reply #72 - 07/20/15 at 10:39:44

If you're going that far, I'd consider the cylinder treatment. The machinist needs the piston,
When I did the Raptor top end, piston replacement, bored,, the Yamaha rings had excessive end gap. The shop owner kept seeing me at the counter, walked up, the parts guy said
These are what we use.
I said
The manual says end gap not to exceed,,x,, thousandths..

Owner told him,
Find this guy a piston and rings that meet spec. And we eat the difference.

Wow, was I happy! IIRC, they took about a thirty dollar hickey.

Don't ignore the valves, at least turn the head upside down and level and dump gas in. If it's leaking, you'll see. Since you're jacking up the job they're going to be doing, maybe just take it to the shop and get the valves done. It's not really that pricey.

Just because a manufacturer puts rings in a box with a piston for a certain bore size doesn't mean you shouldn't measure the end gap..

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Reply #73 - 07/20/15 at 16:24:09

Personally, I've got a Wiseco 95mm piston sitting on my table (+rings, gudgeon/wrist pin).
I found a place near Cambridge, UK, that specialises in rebores/silicon carbide lining.
I, also, am planning on a stage 3 cam and carb upgrade, when funds allow.
Any project of getting the Savage to be able to 'strut it's stuff' will wait till the winter, when there's no riding time to be lost.
It's good to buy things gradually, as I can afford them, with a winter strip-down in mind....
Nice project, Iceman, I look forward to your updates Cool

PS. +1 Justin for measuring the ring gaps... good advice

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Reply #74 - 07/20/15 at 16:59:06

Oh ya the valves are getting new seals, reseated, ground and cleaned, port and polish of the head. I never half Lips Sealed

my work so I will be doing it all.

My first time doing a rebuild and although I am fairly confident, I know I will get stumped here or their so I will likely start a thread to outline my work and if I get stuck just ask around here.

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