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rtebbs8996 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 77 Rowley massachusetts	Re: Savage only tops out at 60 Reply #75 - 05/15/15 at 07:53:15 Say I check it and its at like 11-12 mm, then what can I just put the cover back? Will the gasket be able to be reused?
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Reply #77 - 05/15/15 at 08:40:08

Anything to do in removal so salvage it or no? I ordered a gasket. Should be here next week...could I wait till it cones to check?. Don't rip my head off I'm just saying I use my bike to go everywhere and a week without riding is a while. "Well if you wait you could brwk engine and be done with riding forever" yes you're all right. Is it Gary teed I'm destroying the gasket?

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Reply #78 - 05/15/15 at 08:53:51

rtebbs8996 wrote on 05/15/15 at 08:40:08:

Is it Gary teed I'm destroying the gasket?

I've been able to save a few, but if it's been on there for some time then most likely it'll tear rather than stay whole.

I get it up on a lift so I can eye ball the entire joint.

remove all the bolts, gently pry one end off, then the other.
check the gasket, does it zig zag between case and cover?
Take a small screwdriver or a pick and gently separate the gasket from the case or cover, your choice.
If it stays whole, you've won, 1 or 2 tears can be repaired with rtv.
and it may leak anyway.

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rtebbs8996 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 77 Rowley massachusetts	Re: Savage only tops out at 60 Reply #79 - 05/15/15 at 09:37:20 If I can salvage it, good. If it comes apart a bit. I'll repair it somehow then put it back on and deal with a slight leak until new gasket comes before thursday
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Reply #80 - 05/15/15 at 09:53:16

You might not wreck the gasket,but, if its a factory gasket, you're Gonna.
The one You put in, you'll decide if, where and how much goo to use.
It CAN be done with none, but, I did that last time and I had to tighten the clutch cover bolts tighter than I felt comfortable doing.
The Right goo is important, not automotive gasket maker, no RTV, NAMES ARE out there( oops, caplox))
Next time you need a gasket,call a shop that works on multiple brandds. Some indy shops have a gasket maker. Like a printer, but it cuts out gaskets. Walk.in, get it, go. I've had good luck getting jets and advice, they mounted tireson rims, I put rims on bike..

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Reply #81 - 05/15/15 at 09:58:23

Do it once, cry once.

Do it right, replace the gasket. Make sure you get the old gasket off from both surfaces. I like to use a flat blade for that job.

As for the down time, look at it this way; if you get the cover off and see that the tensioner is darn-near the end of its travel then you'll be waiting for parts anyway. Don't be in a rush to get it back together, the goal is to get it back together and have it STAY together.

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Reply #82 - 05/15/15 at 10:45:33

Is permatex motorcycle gasket maker a good solution? If the old gaket rips in half or something I could just repair or or just apply a new line of the goo.
Back to the tensioner, I've seen replacement tensioners as a Suzuki part. Could I buy that? I could buy a new cam chain all together and have my local shop install it and pay for labor. Apparently its a good shop and they get work done quick. Rather than butchering the tensioner I could replace the actual chain. And from what I understand once you put a new chain the tensioner goes back to normal. Or no?

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Reply #83 - 05/15/15 at 10:51:57

Replacing the chain will push the tensioner back in....for now
it won't keep the tensioner from grenading when that chain, too, stretches
replacing with a stock tensioner will do nothing to fix the root problem: a tensioner that is very poorly designed
getting the Versy will extend the life of your extant chain, and the chain(s) to follow
It's your choice, fix it right, take half measures, or waste time doing a 'repair' that does nothing

Or ride it till it blows up, then remotor it or get another bike

oh, and Yamabond or 3bond works well I believe (somebody correct me quick if that's wrong)

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rtebbs8996 Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 77 Rowley massachusetts	Re: Savage only tops out at 60 Reply #84 - 05/15/15 at 11:05:30 What did people do before versey came around. They worked around it. Replacing the chain , by default since it hasn't blown up in 19000 miles, a new chain will not blow up for another 19000. New chain rather than versey will work as well.
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Arnold Serious Thumper Offline The dude abides... Posts: 896 Westchester, NY Gender:	Re: Savage only tops out at 60 Reply #85 - 05/15/15 at 11:27:23 When you replace the tensioner with a Versy on the old stretched chain, isnt it trouble down the line? Just asking.
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Reply #86 - 05/15/15 at 11:29:33

rtebbs8996 wrote on 05/15/15 at 11:05:30:

What did people do before versey came around. They worked around it. Replacing the chain , by default since it hasn't blown up in 19000 miles, a new chain will not blow up for another 19000. New chain rather than versey will work as well.

good point
a more involved repair, but it will last a bit
don't be too sure about 19k mikes though, the chain stretch seems to have more to do with heat cycles than actual miles, so short trips will wear it out faster
thus is why folks talk about checking the tensioner, the first time, at 5k, because a few tensioners have gone south at less that 10k

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Art Webb Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3007 columbus, Texas Gender:	Re: Savage only tops out at 60 Reply #87 - 05/15/15 at 11:32:08 Arnold wrote on 05/15/15 at 11:27:23: When you replace the tensioner with a Versy on the old stretched chain, isnt it trouble down the line? Just asking. No, the versy will work on a new chain as well as an old one, from what I understand
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Arnold Serious Thumper Offline The dude abides... Posts: 896 Westchester, NY Gender:	Re: Savage only tops out at 60 Reply #88 - 05/15/15 at 11:52:08 Wouldnt the chain eventually reach the end of its life, or does it simply not happen on the life of this bike?
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Reply #89 - 05/15/15 at 11:58:53

Of course. Any chain will eventually reach it's limit of stretch, and then it slips and the cam / crank timing will go to hell
the idea of the versy is simply to get all the useful life out of the chain, as the factory (mis)design of the tensioner does not permit this
and, as any mechanic worthy of holding a wrench will tell you, a newer chain will stretch more quickly than an older one
the other point of the Versy is it will not come apart and destroy your entire engine. The factory unit will, and long before the chain is actually beyond it's wear limit

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