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Reply #15 - 06/28/15 at 06:27:48
 
raydawg wrote on 06/27/15 at 07:59:53:
It doesn't have to Webby.....

You start off your post with the repair, then go on to justify your personal beliefs as the fix to "this" threat upon what you see as disruptive.

If man extended to others, the freedom to believe, and behave, in a manner they readily extend to themselves, I believe the truth to really what is sustainable (living) would become manifest, and all diversionary options revealed as shortcomings.

That’s Kumbaya group-hug type stuff which sounds great sitting around camp fire with hippie girls when you’re trying to get laid, (and i hope you succeeded with that line) but in the day to day world, that falls short. Freedom to believe is one thing, freedom to behave in whatever manner you see fit to find whatever definition of self-fulfillment floats your boat, is another.  

In a society, the actions of one affects the actions of the others, which is certainly more so the higher up the scale of actions you go. Changing your walking schedule from going left around the block to going right is not what we're talking about. This is something fundamental, something that is the single most important foundation for children for example. For the economy as well.

It’s inconceivable for a person to think that changing the definition and manifestation of an institution which has meant one thing for all of human history to something else, won’t have an impact is foolishness. And if you think you can predict what those impacts will be, count yourself foolish twice.


I know this looks good in theory ( too me  Cheesy ) and next to impossible to fulfill,  however, if I find I practise it, I have freed myself from the energy to battle all these society skirmishes, that will never see resolution to the reason(s) for them.

Am I copping out, no, it just that my "battle" is on a much smaller theater .  

Edit: let me give you a possible skirmish in the future with the hope it might show how these "battles" evolve around their own personal survival ( to their beliefs)  and not about alliances.

Let advance the possibility in the future medical science will find evidence that homosexuals have a distinct trait/marker, and their sexual behavior/preference is derived from that difference.

I think that is a given. My guess is they could probably do that now, but never would. The could also find markers for pedophilia or what ever sexual disorder you want to name. Would you suggest those babies be aborted?

Now armed with such information, many myths, and beliefs, will/should be dispelled re: homosexuality, and many of these "battles" ended, and all the energy it takes to wage them perhaps directed to a more peaceful endeavor.

Now picture this, with this new discovery (truth)  another element, or weapon, has given opportunity to wage a new skirmish, and break up societal alliances.....
If a heterosexual couple, lets add some wood to the fire  Shocked , say a evangelical zealot couple who interprets the bible to eradicate sin ( in others) finds through a prenatal study their "embryo" has a distinct possibility of being homosexual based on the findings that has linked those traits/markers, that they now will abort this "baby" instead of terming and raising.

I don't know who screwed your mind up and told you such nonsense about what the Christian masses really believe. Could you find couples like that? Sure you could. They would be uplifted in the atheist, liberal media as typical of Christians. How many movies or tv shows have a wacho Christian as it's bad guy? Hundreds.

I would challenge you to expand your viewpoint a little bit. Your anti-Christian ideology is warping your view. Radical Muslims throw gays off buildings, Franklin Graham only says he won't marry two men, but you sound like they are one in the same...


Wow, look how all those beliefs have been surrender to "justify" self.

Would it be an easy assumption that the homosexual community would now be the driving force against abortion on the argument its a woman's right?  

Actually, no. My guess is they would say it's better that that child not be born and influenced by Neanderthal Christians than have a chance at life.

Can you see what I mean webby?


I see your points, but I don't agree with them. Here's the bottom line: If you think you can predict with certainty all the ramifications as a result of officially changing the institution of marriage, hats off to you.

I can bet by this time next week, now that the historical reason for human marriage has been washed away, we will have demands for other groups to join in the marriage party. Threesomes, brother-sisters, fill in the blank . And who could argue if a brother and sister wanted to call themselves married? You've already said all it takes to be married is to make a statement of commitment of marriage to one another. The historical basis is gone now.  

Are you saying a brother and sister could marry? Should we make  polygyny the law of the land too? What colors will Obama light up the White House with then?!
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Reply #16 - 06/28/15 at 06:55:10
 
Hippie chicks eh......
Gee, how to I begin to have an exchange when you lead with such utterance?

I won't, futile

I will tell you Jesus guides me to the spirit, and I therein live my life accordingly.
I welcome challenge, as it reveals the strength of my belief, to myself.....
The sin, infidel, or boogieman, is me in my weakness, not you, Obama, or a homosexual ( well, maybe bot )  Kiss

Enjoy your life, its yours to do with it whatever "floats your boat"
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Reply #17 - 06/28/15 at 07:15:13
 
but hey, this is your world now not mine. You grew up in my world, say post-World War II. I get to live the rest my life and die in your world, say post Vietnam or whatever timeframe you want to insert.  so if I live long enough, I guess I'll be able to judge which one was better.

and lighten up a little bit dawg, that part was a joke. geez...
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Reply #18 - 06/28/15 at 07:33:38
 
raydawg wrote on 06/28/15 at 06:55:10:
I welcome challenge, as it reveals the strength of my belief, to myself.....
The sin, infidel, or boogieman, is me in my weakness, not you, Obama, or a homosexual ( well, maybe bot )  Kiss


Ray,.. do you really think I'm gay?,... or this some wishful thinking on your part?...
Either way... pull yer' pants back up, put away your kissy face, and stay on topic...
Tired of your not-so-funny innuendo...  

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Reply #19 - 06/28/15 at 07:40:54
 
I missed that in dawg's post.... I doubt that's what he meant.
and I thought my hippie line was funny....
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Reply #20 - 06/28/15 at 09:41:30
 
Gay Marriage ???   I was brought up in the '40s and'50s, and wore a funny green costume in the early/mid '60s...  In the late '60s early '70s I lived and worked in the Bay Area. At one point my room mate (the infamous "ole weird Johnson") myself, and the young married couple in the other half of the duplex, were the only "straight" persons in a half block radius.  Big Deal. 90% of our "gay" neighbors were pretty good people and 10% were A-holes.. Funny thing is that the 90% thought that the 10% were A-holes too.   I know of "gay" couples who have been together far longer than most "straight" marriages.  I have friends who are "gay" . It doesn't bother me, it doesn't bother them.  We have better things to do than make judgments about one another. (Well, it is pretty darn funny when one or the other of us puts a wrench in his back pocket, and then spends 5 minutes looking for it a little later.)  
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Reply #21 - 06/28/15 at 10:15:33
 
Holy smokes......

My goodness......

I think I will wrap a confederate bandana around my head, a rainbow fishnet speedo, and go ride my bike, actually I am taking the boat out, but that doesn't change a darn thing.

Peace folks, its only life, I didn't make the rules, I don't enforce the laws, and none escape the outcome, deal with it, or not, ain't no free rent in my head.

Life, what a concept......  Kiss Angry Undecided Grin  Tongue Roll Eyes ............  Smiley

PS webby, I don't dig musk, I'd rather a person showers, instead.
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Reply #22 - 06/28/15 at 10:18:03
 
keep the bible/religion out of it

"all men are created equal"
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Reply #23 - 06/28/15 at 14:10:35
 
Who cares if they can get married
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Reply #24 - 06/29/15 at 05:45:04
 
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/26/15-reasons-marriage-equality-is-about-nei...

Some valid points. And by the way, if you think looking further down the line and extrapolating how this ruling will be used is silly, remember that the original Row v Wade ruling granted abortion for a very narrow set of circumstances. It didnt take long before it was expanded to include actions such as partial birth which if they had presented that back then as what they were asking approcal for, would have been instantly tossed out.

like i said, its the liberal's world now so have at it fellas....do your best to shape society in your image!
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Reply #25 - 06/29/15 at 06:17:50
 
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If you can't lend your hand"

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Reply #26 - 06/29/15 at 07:23:22
 
IIRC, Roe v Wade hinged onthe
Born in
part.
Those not yet born weren't protected. Silly Founding Fathers, didnt they know that one day the desire to eliminate the unborn would become normal?
The constitution can't protect an amoral society from its ways.
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Reply #27 - 06/29/15 at 07:28:04
 
The religious argument won't hold water, until people quit eating shellfish, leavened bread, and pork... stop cutting the hair on the sides of their head,... and wearing polyester blends...
Cheeseburgers are out too... Undecided...
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Reply #28 - 06/29/15 at 08:12:17
 
And pepperoni pizza  :'(
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Reply #29 - 06/29/15 at 08:38:39
 
Serowbot wrote on 06/29/15 at 07:28:04:
The religious argument won't hold water, until people quit eating shellfish, leavened bread, and pork... stop cutting the hair on the sides of their head,... and wearing polyester blends...
Cheeseburgers are out too... Undecided...

Sounds like the diet my wife and doctor are trying to put me on.... I drew the line at giving up cheeseburgers, and the only hair I have left is on the side of my head.  So, I guess I'm safe from the religious fanatics... Wink
In fact, just to make sure, I'm going to fire up the thumper and head out to the 'burger joint for a nice juicy bacon cheeseburger ... Smiley
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