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Reply #60 - 09/19/15 at 18:34:29
 

Mint comes in 32 bit flavor but you have to download the 32 bit ISO image and burn a new 32 bit Mint distribution DVD.    Can't use your 64 bit disc at all as all the drivers and the program itself all wrong for a 32 bit machine.

I haven't used 32 bit anything since my first AMD Athlon came down the pike, lo so many years ago -- I was an early 64 bit adopter back when it really didn't mean very much.

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Reply #61 - 09/19/15 at 19:25:08
 
Well the mint i was using was on drive one.... my wifes old failing one.

Drive 2, my old xp drive was clean.... but.... 15, 16 nor 17 32 bit versions will work...

they keep getting scared... and going back to text mode....

well, "scared" isn't the word used... I believe it was "panic mode"...

So i guess i'll just keep doing the evil Microsoft test, and leaving well enough alone on this machine, and just let it stay on and online for the next two weeks in "no download" mode, then "approved only" mode, then just let microsoft have a field day with it.... LOL... if they dare!
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Reply #62 - 09/20/15 at 04:39:23
 

I bet if you took out all the other drives out and left the one drive in question set up as the primary or boot drive it might work.   You'd need the correct position on the cable and having the dip switches (or jumpers, as the case may be) on the drive set correctly, of course.   

The Mint installer likely assumes one (1) bootable primary hard drive on the automatic install routines.

Or you could ask the estoteric boys and they'd give you instructions, but you may not know enough stuff to follow along and do what they say.

Be aware that if you ever give Mint a whole drive to itself, it will reformat it to fs4 format with a Linux boot sector and MS won't be able to read the drive any more.

BTW, GParted is a bootable CD freeware tool that can undo this full Linux format thing, and upon request it can reformat the drive back to NTFS and give it back a Windows boot sector.   Unless your wife's bad drive has some real physical issues, GParted could put it back in the game again.

This is one of the reasons virus and crap have such a hard time with Linux on a full Linux installation -- they can't see and can't feel and they really can't do much on a Linux formatted hard drive.  

If they demand something to be written to C:/, well, there isn't one.

Linux is very frustrating for Windows viruses and trojans and rootkits and such.
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Reply #63 - 09/22/15 at 23:45:15
 
Ok, i'm not a "total" newb at installing software... well , except the linux stuff... LOL

I have Two drives....

I actually unplug one (the wifes drive), and then plug in my drive...

I physically disconnect each drive and test them.....

My wife's drive will not actually accept the network driver that allows for wireless connection, but my drive will... go figure... her's is a western digitial 80 gig (with appropriate drivers from disc) and mine is a 250 seagate (with appropriate drivers from disc)

The tower is capable of having 7 hd's on the bottom and four dvd/cd bays on top... however the power supply is only a 350watt.

AND... the mother boards battery is shot, I think I stated that already.... soooo.... i won't turn it off with the back switch... only the power to the drives, or the reset button.

It is not so old that I have to pin the ports or jumpers for usb's and such.

But I did have a pin set for the forward usb ports. And there is actually a green power led for the reset on the motherboard (which also had to be pinned).

Did I mention in some of my other forums, I was nick-named "old_school" ?

I beta tested the GUI for AOL's windows 3.1..... when it was still in DOS Shell.....  

LOL, I still have my DOS 5.0 and Win 3.0 floppies!





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Reply #64 - 09/23/15 at 03:20:45
 

I just recently threw away all my 5 1/4 floppies.   Dos 3.0, DR Dos IBM Dos and the GAMES disks.  My first computer was a Leading Edge model D with Two Floppy Drives.   But I had RGB color, yep, state of the art all the way.

Yep, I remember having to tune your systems interrupts whenever you installed new equipment due to conflicts over the same interrupt address.

40 meg hard drive was my first one -- FULL HEIGHT no less.

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Reply #65 - 09/23/15 at 03:44:10
 

I just recently threw away all my 5 1/4 floppies.   Dos 3.0, DR Dos IBM Dos and the GAMES disks.  My first computer was a Leading Edge model D with Two Floppy Drives.   But I had RGB color, yep, state of the art all the way.

Yep, I remember having to tune your systems interrupts whenever you installed new equipment due to conflicts over the same interrupt addresses.    Then you set the jumpers on all your devices to the new assigned addresses.

40 meg hard drive was my first one -- FULL HEIGHT no less.


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Looking back at the full run of it all, what MS is trying to do with auto-managing Win 10 from their end is pretty much groundbreaking and verging on impossible to do perfectly.

The fact the bear can dance at all is a real breakthrough, if they can ever teach it to be graceful that will be amazing.  

After all, MS is trying to make a graceful Google Chromebook like ease of use device out of the "garbage everything" mass of computers from the last 10-12 years worth of computing.

BTW, Chromebooks are taking off in Europe right now, Win 10 new sales are kinda flat at the moment in Europe as nobody wants the spyware aspect of it nor the bootloader hassles that comes with Win 10.  

The growing price differential between the two types is also killing the Win 10 devices as for the same money you can buy one hell of a nice Chromebook that is becoming easier and easier to put Linux on it (and that is what the European user is always looking for).  

As MS locks down new devices tighter and tighter their sales in Europe will drop, not expand.





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Reply #66 - 09/26/15 at 13:29:37
 
Well, i was hoping at least one of these had win 7 or earlier on them, but the one in the storage unit has xp also....

I remember setting them up in my sons play room for him and his friends to lan together and play wolfenstien and rott (rise of the triad) and duke nukem'. Still have a few four connection lan boxes in the closet.

I have a couple old copies of win 95 and might take an old hard drive and load it up (if it isn't already on one of them, i have a couple 40 gigs and 80gigs) just to lan at least two together to play the old games in the garage... i kinda miss it LOL Smiley

Well so far the two xp systems in the garage (i'm using the mad dog), have not been force fed win10 crap yet. Tomorrow will mark ten days for the mad dog with auto updates turned off.... I might just turn on the updates tomorrow using the (with my approval) selection and see what happens... the firewall is still turned off with this one..
The Compaq has auto update off and firewall on.... its only on like day 5 though.
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Reply #67 - 09/26/15 at 13:38:00
 

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2979745/microsoft-windows/windows-10-pub...



What’s the biggest danger we face today? A gyrating stock market that could push us back into recession? Continuing terrorism threats? The long-range health of our social safety net? The specter of Donald Trump as president?

Not if you restrict your reading to the tech press. There you will see that the one overriding threat today is Windows 10. That’s right; a simple operating system trumps terrorism, recession and, well, Trump. Since Microsoft released the new OS in late July, Windows 10 has been accused of massive privacy violations, denounced by members of the Russian parliament as a tool of espionage, banned by some file-sharing sites due to fears over privacy intrusions, and beset by allegations of violating federal HIPAA health-privacy regulations.

And that’s just in the first month.

The charges against Windows 10 have at their root people’s justifiable fears about their privacy when they use computers and browse the Internet. People’s fears have coalesced around Windows 10 because Microsoft has been a very big and convenient target for decades, particularly for those people who write the company’s name as Micro$oft.

In fairness, part of this is Microsoft’s doing. Windows 10 shouldn’t default to the weakest privacy settings on installation — it should find a middle ground. During installation, people should be notified about privacy settings and what they mean. The company’s vague-sounding explanations of Windows 10’s settings do the company more harm than good because they leave room for conspiracy theorists.


Yep, MS is still writing itself new headlines as it rings in its apologists to try to "explain it all away".  

Explain what away?   Nobody has any questions or comments for MS except mebbe

"When are you going to fix Windows 10?"

Perhaps MS feels that any press, even bad press, is better than no press at all ????

Been quiet for the last 3 weeks, no new MS scandals at all ..... folks are beginning to just ignore MS again and they simply can't take being irrelevant.

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Reply #68 - 09/26/15 at 14:14:26
 

http://semiaccurate.com/2014/05/15/microsoft-now-irrelevant-computing-want-know/

The pundits are now writing in past tense about the decline and fall of MS into irrelevance now -- all over the place they seem to be writing about it.    In 2013 they wrote to predict it, now it is written about in past tense.  

And this is in spite of Win 10 and "the new MS".   Win 10's failure to hit the ground running well is seen as a confirmation of MS's inability to execute their new OS systems on PC, much less on mobile.  

Last weeks complete bricking of dozens of cell phones for the beta tester crew has put an !!! or three on to the FAIL associated with Win 10 mobile at this point in time.

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/microsoft-working-to-fix-phones-broken-b...

The company is now assuring users that it is working on different repair options. "We're working on repair options for the devices that were not supported but got the latest build," Aul tweeted. "This is a high priority for us to solve and have a team dedicated to it. We will let you know as soon as we have info on recovery." Some HTC 8X handsets and many BLU smartphones are affected by the bug.

Still no news on a fix for the broken phones and its been over a week now ..... but MS is toughing it out and going with the planned scheduled release of Win 10 Phone.  

If they do the same sort of "force you to do it" tricks and then tank a bunch more phones on a general release (especially since they now KNOW many brands will not take the upgrade ..... having found out the hard way by using the general beta tester population as guinea pigs and having cost some of them their phones  ..... well then Win 10 mobile may get a rep for being too dangerous to try as an upgrade, ever.


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So, how is Microsoft doing just lately?   Like this past week?   Nothing, stone quiet.   No one is talking about MS at all, except to update some old predictions made back in 2013 and 2014 with "Yep, I told you so" sort of things.

Here are some of that old prediction stuff that is all new like again .....

This is a LONG article, what is below is less than 10% of it .....

Microsoft is now irrelevant to computing, and they want you to know it

Opinion: Two recent cave-ins leave no doubt they are done for


Then came Surface, something SemiAccurate called a failure long before launch. We also said that OEMs were leaving Microsoft in droves at a level never seen before in the industry. People laughed. Bloomberg copied us without credit but still managed to doubt it. People poo-pooed what we said because they had no way of asking the companies about what was going on.

Step forward two years and you have Chromebooks, Intel making Windows a minority OS, and every OEM out there trying desperately to put out not-Windows devices. Microsoft was almost non-existent on the floor of Computex 2013 and this year looks to be more of a Android, Chrome, and Steam OS whitewash. Microsoft killed their monopoly with Surface and management was too dumb to understand why. I doubt they even understand the depths of their problems today, but if you had to point to a single event that made Microsoft irrelevant, Surface’s launch was it.

That said most people didn’t grasp how badly Microsoft had fallen, they were totally irrelevant and had no more monopoly to leverage. This played out with the Windows 8 launch, Microsoft was desperately trying to stay relevant in mobile by forcing the entire computing ecosystem to adopt their new mobile OS. In theory this would lead to software being leveraged across platforms, and between Office and Exchange, they could force people to use Microsoft mobile products.

A funny thing happened though, an entire generation of users didn’t want to give up their beloved iPhones or Android devices for an inferior, slower, more expensive, app-free Microsoft device. Microsoft repeated their threat loudly, “Use our mobile OS or you won’t get Office or Exchange on your phone!”

To their abject horror the response was almost universally, “OK, bye”.



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http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-isnt-dying-its-just-becoming-irrelevant/

Windows isn't dying, it's just becoming irrelevant

Once again, a long article, but this is the concise summation at the end of it.

SIMPLICITY, OR LACK OF IT

"Bottom line, some people don't have the time, energy, inclination, experience, or know-how to make Windows do what they want it to do. I know that there are times when I don't.

And I'm not alone.

When I read tweets from long-time tech veteran – and the person who, unbeknownst to him, was responsible for inspiring me to write about tech – Jon Honeyball about his struggles getting a printer working on Windows 8, that's a clear indication to me that the Windows ecosystem is broken. Sure, printers have always been the spawn of the devil, but given the ease with which I can connect my smartphones and tablets to a whole host of devices – from fitness wristbands to my car stereo – hooking a PC up to a printer should be a snap.

Over the two decades that I've been helping people make the most from their PCs, I've lost count of the number of times that I've told people to delve into the Windows registry or run some arcane command that, to them, looks like it might summon the undead. I thought I was helping, but in the long run I was part of the problem. I was helping a bloated, convoluted, increasingly user-unfriendly product retain its dominance.

THE BOTTOM LINE

Windows, along with the PC, is going to be around for years to come. We're not talking about the sudden, premature death of the two icons of the modern IT world. Instead, what we are seeing is a slow, but certain, slide into irrelevance. Just as the stone ax gave way to one made of bronze, the Windows-powered PC must now give way to better, more customized, more refined tools."




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https://techpinions.com/beating-the-dead-horse-that-is-microsoft-windows-part-1/


Beating The Dead Horse That Is Microsoft Windows (Part 1)

This is just the index of a two week long series article on the fall of MS from any real relevance.    I would say the full course of articles would hit 30 pages in length, and is very depressing to read in its entirety.

Let Me Count The Ways

"So, exactly how badly is Microsoft losing in the personal computing space? Let me count the ways:

(FAIR WARNING:  This is an old article and in this quote I replaced any out of date notations with the current name so it would be applicable to today's current nomenclature.   This guy couldn't predict Win 9 would never be and Win 10 would be the name du jour.    However, the accuracy of this series of predictions is still creepy accurate so far .....

1) PCs are in decline;
2) Mobile is ascendant;
3) Windows 10 Phone sales have been disappointing;
4) Windows 10 new sales have been disappointing;
5) Microsoft Surface sales have been disappointing;
6) Third-party Windows 10 tablet sales have been disappointing;
7) Ultrabook sales have been disappointing;
8) Windows 10 business adoption has been disappointing;
9) Microsoft App Store growth has been disappointing;
10) Business and Enterprise is moving on without Microsoft’s products or services;
11) Microsoft has lost its monopoly and its monopoly powers; and
12) Microsoft is dependent upon legacy products – Windows and Office – for the bulk of its profits.

No reasonable person is arguing that Microsoft is going away. What rational people ARE contending is that Microsoft is becoming irrelevant in the front end – the consumer facing portion – of the personal computing space."



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So, if MS actually stops writing headlines for itself by having Windows 10 CONTINUOUSLY DOING RASH, CRAZY-SCARY OR STUPID / GREEDY THINGS, does it actually hasten the moment when nobody cares any more?

Which will come first, the chicken or the egg?
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Reply #69 - 09/26/15 at 20:58:42
 

http://winsupersite.com/poll/08032015

Winsupersite has been running a poll for a while now, and as a major source of Windows information they have collected over 1,444 responses now.   This is likely biased a bit since it is mainly a TROUBLE fix source type site, so folks having easy sailing don't go there all that much necessarily.  

Even so, 52% considered the upgrade successful (not perfect, but successful)  with 35% ringing in with issues and 13% not having done it yet at all for fear of all the stuff currently going on right now.



Was your upgrade to Windows 10 successful?

Windows 10 was released on 29 July to much fanfare and to reviews that were overwhelmingly on the positive side compared to its Windows 8 predecessor.
We would like to hear from you about your upgrade to find out if it was successful or whether you have not yet completed it.
If you ran into issues during the process or are delaying the upgrade for a specific reason please share that info in the comments so we can get a good feel for your experiences.



Yes
52% (757 votes)

I had some issues with the upgrade
25% (357 votes)

I have not upgraded yet
13% (190 votes)

No
10% (140 votes)

Total voters: 1444




If you click on the page, do take the time to read some of the comments.   These are from the 35% that had issues, which turns out that some of the 52% who had no problems originally had some problems later on.

Windows 10 has been a very mixed blessing so far for many users.
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Reply #70 - 09/27/15 at 18:47:19
 

http://teamtayonews.blogspot.com/2015/08/windows-10-russian-lawyers-sue.html

"Once again Microsoft has found itself in troubled waters due to the data collection settings in its new operating system Windows 10. The Bubnov and Partners Moscow legal firm has filed a complaint with the Prosecutor General’s Office and and have asked Prosecutor General Yury Chaika to investigate violations of the law that allegedly occur during the distribution of Microsoft’s new product Windows 10, thus infringing the local laws, reports RIA Novosti reported on Wednesday citing attorney Alexei Kuznetsov.

According to the attorneys, the law firm claims that Windows 10 threatens user privacy, as the operating system collects browser history, passwords, location, emails, calendar events and voice samples and passes them on to third parties.

The request could suggest that Microsoft could use this data for its own purpose and also to transfer them to third parties, from advertisers to security services to courts. The attorneys are mainly concerned with maintaining legal confidentiality. They claim that no lawyer using Windows 10 can guarantee confidentiality to a client.

According to the law firm, the data collection function should be switched off by default and users should be able to choose whether to turn it on. They also said that the new operating system should only be approved for distribution in Russia after Microsoft complies with this condition.

Last week, State Duma Deputy Vadim Solovyov sent an official request to the Prosecutor General’s Office to review Microsoft, for its compliance with the Russian law, Izvestia newspaper reported at the time. Solovyov believes that, since many Russian government agencies use Windows operating systems, it could result in leaks of classified information in favor of foreign intelligence. The deputy also claimed that Windows 10 is effectively spying on its users.




A spokesman for Microsoft, however, denied the allegations to RIA Novosti.

“The new operating system offers users the choice of how they want it to handle their data and users can change the settings at any point,” the unidentified spokesman told the news agency on Thursday. The company said in a statement that the privacy of the users is fully protected in Windows 10.

“Windows 10 puts customers in control by giving them choices about how information is used to deliver personalized services and experiences. We also offer customers a number of options in Windows 10 privacy settings to control any additional information they choose to provide,” the company added.

The Windows 10 data collection features can be done disabled from the settings screen. However, several apps that are already existing can do this automatically with just a few clicks. According to what some say, even if the features in the settings screen is disabled, Microsoft still continues to collect information in the background. Hence, to ensure that your privacy is not violated, it is advisable to use third-party apps when using the new operating system.

For a period of 12 months, starting July 29,2015, the new Windows 10 operating system can be installed for free on computers using the previous version of Windows 7/8/8.1. Within the first 24 hours of release, some 14 million users around the world had downloaded the OS."



The main issue that MS has with this iffy defense is that is hasn't been true for the first 4 months of the Win 10 implementation and although MS might indeed have a fix in place now that is active, it still requires a user to have the skill and the will to go do it -- by default the spying is still turned on and going on right now.  

Secondly, Microsoft, through their updates and patches and KBs  have also shown a willingness to "adjust" these settings for you in the middle of the night (secretly, willy nilly) from what you had set the setting to.

The Russians and the Germans and the Chinese will eventually reach an agreement with MS or they each separately will kick MS Win 10 asses out again, just like they did with Win 8.

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China and Microsoft have now reached agreement to turn all Win 10 China search functions over to Baidu, which is the Chinese National search engine (Chinese gov controlled).   Win 10 China is just a shell for Baidu now.

China is the only gov right now with the balls to go deal with MS up front when they get out of line -- Swat Teams with guns go in and shut all the MS offices down and the Chinese LAN nodes quit processing all MS traffic until MS geeks whatever it is that China wants right then.
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Reply #71 - 09/27/15 at 18:59:37
 

http://amigobulls.com/articles/all-about-the-microsoft-baidu-deal-and-other-k...

OK, MS is giving a NON-INTRUSIVE Win 10 to illegal hot copy Chinese XP users FOR FREE but MS can't seem to find a way to do it for us and we bought our XP legally.

"Today, we’re excited to announce another partnership with a leader in China - Baidu," says the Microsoft announcement. "With over 600 million active users, Baidu is one of the most frequently used Internet gateways in China. Together, we will make it easy for Baidu customers to upgrade to Windows 10 and we will deliver a custom experience for customers in China, providing local browsing and search experiences. Baidu.com will become the default homepage and search for the Microsoft Edge browser in Windows 10."

Officially released on July 2015, Edge replaced Internet Explorer as the default browser on Windows 10. The value of the Baidu deal for Microsoft is that it will help Microsoft capture more Windows 10 users in China. In exchange for the search placement, Baidu will make it easier for its own customers to update to Windows 10.
Chinese Windows users - including hundreds of millions of users who run old or pirated version of Microsoft's operating system - will be able to upgrade to an official version of Windows 10 through Baidu's "Windows 10 Express" distribution channel.

Where are our politicians and why can't our government take care of US the way that China takes care of the Chinese?


Huh    ...... users who run old or pirated version of Microsoft's operating system - will be able to upgrade to an official version of Windows 10 through Baidu's "Windows 10 Express" distribution channel.  

..... hmmmmm ???  

Potential there, perhaps.

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Reply #72 - 10/01/15 at 06:07:20
 

More after the fact Windows 10 polls .....  much much bigger polls .....

http://www.windowscentral.com/poll-how-windows-10-treating-you

Poll: How is Windows 10 treating you?


This is a significant sample size (over 5,000) from a site that "general people" go to, this is not a trouble fix site so the sampling isn't skewed so much.

How is Windows 10 treating you?


Brilliant, best Windows ever!  45.36%  (2,518 votes)


Good, few issues though  38.93%  (2,161 votes)


It's OK, mixed feelings  8.29%  (460 votes)


Generally not good, too many issues  5.51%  (306 votes)


Terrible, worst Windows ever!  1.91%  (106 votes)


Total Votes: 5,551


So, slightly over 50% report issues with the really ill stuff being limited to less than 10% but with the majority of the people still having nagging issues that have NOT BEEN FIXED YET.

Yet, they are overall content with it because it was free and it mostly works OK.    

Rest assured if they had paid $110 for it they'd be much much less happy right now.


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AND all them tester folks with the bricked Win 10 phones from HTC and Blu, they still haven't been given a fix method by Microsoft.  

These folks are now clamoring for replacement phones -- MS, you busted it by being careless, you replace it.

MS just promises that they have a team working on it.  

And now MS is saying unless you have a MS built, MS phone, please turn off your Win 10 Beta Testing update feed right now, ASAP, immediately.   This is an admission that their entire program is based upon their own hardware and they don't test AT ALL on other hardware and MS gets plumb surprised when they go brick something else with an update.

Something tells me MS really can't fix what they did to all those HTC and Blu phones -- their update trashed the bios flash feature on those phones and it is beyond MS's remote control to fix it.  

They simply can't get the phones to take a remote reflash any more.   They may have to be sent home to be fixed.

Time to send out the mailers, MS.   Or replace the phones since you want only happy campers talking to all their peers, right?

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Reply #73 - 10/02/15 at 03:56:21
 

Fair is fair.    

I just installed iOS 9 on my iPad 2 and I am reminded that Apple releases buggy software with every revision too, then trusts user feedback to give them the info they need to fix it, eventually, generally finishing out the complete run of changes around the time the next revision rolls out.  

They roll a new revision once every 2 years .......

Right now my iPad 2 will only show battery charge levels base on the iPad 4's larger battery, my smaller Pad 2 battery is only 60% of that size, so that is what I show at full charge.   This sucks, and it takes them MONTHS to fix this simple bug and they do it at every iOS changeover, religiously.

Since iOS 9 is supposedly the last one for iPad 2, I am not going to have to do this again, I don't think.

Fair is fair -- Apple does it too.    So does Ubuntu Linux.  

Linux Mint does NOT do it, especially if you hang back a version level like I have been doing lately.    Mint hangs back some anyway and fixes Ubuntu before releasing it, and lately Mint hasn't even tried to keep up with Ubuntu's frantic change nonsense but has stuck with ONE KNOWN GOOD UBUNTU RELEASE as their base point for the last 2 years running.

Full maturity and 100% completed debugging takes a year or so in ALL computer systems.

People are starting to value stability and "it just works" more and more and more,  but Windows and Apple actually don't offer this so much on their new stuff.

Android has the same general issue with updates.  My very best android experiences are with Android phones that have fully matured and are static and stable at the last most perfected state of a slightly older candy flavor.    I am running fully mature and stable Android 4.4.4 as massaged by Republic Wireless and am quite happy with the no strange stuff happening, ever.

Accordingly, I will keep the phone until it breaks -- and Moto G (first gen, built by Google) were noted for being very rugged long lasting phones.


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Update:   Two weeks later iOS 9.02 came through and fixed the iPad 2 battery reporting issue.   Apple is getting quicker at their fixer upper stuff.    

Embarrassed         The MS HTC and Blu phone update bricking issue is still unchanged.
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Reply #74 - 10/03/15 at 17:02:06
 

Silicon will change next year.  

Intel is going to go 100% 14nm Skylake (still with no real speed increase to be found) and Intel will start prepping Cannonlake (10nm) as a "2017 implementation".

However, next year (2016) Samsung will PRODUCE FULL RUNS of 10nm chipsets to ship in new products for both Apple and for themselves.  Rumor has it that one production line has already been fully converted and is doing Apple production runs as we speak.   Speed isn't so great yet, but is getting slowly better.  Technology is actually the existing "improved" 14nm tech with some extra lithography passes, so other lines are available to roll over when the time comes.   Since it is slower, more lines will be needed.

ARM is ready with hard macro designs for 10nm called the Prometheus series.   There are 3 levels of chipsets in Prometheus, not just two as previously.

By 2017 the  three-level 10 core chipset (a la Mediatek) will be standard for all makers, including Intel, as 10nm lithography does not offer the big speed boost that folks are used to seeing at a lithography downsize.  

To get a real 25% throughput increase more cores will be needed to get that 25% throughput boost.

Battery life should get better though, as 10nm will run at 2.2 volts, not 5 volts as 14nm does now.   Cost for 10nm will stay high as all components have to be remade at 2.2 volts, and until the big volume goes to 10nm the costs there will remain higher.

Single pass lithography 28nm will remain THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE lithography size, so expect a lot of players to keep on making their same bread and butter chipsets from years past, but expect them to go into ever cheaper and cheaper products.   Also expect the old stuff to get better graphics and radios as such have already been designed for higher end products at 28nm, so they will now roll down into the low end products.

Walmart now lists $50 and $60 tablets with specs that would have been state of the art 2-3 years ago.  
As the chipsets get better, so will the low end products.

http://www.walmart.com/tp/tablets-under-100
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