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11/27/15 at 16:05:36
 
You are much closer to the socialist paradise you so passionately describe and defend.  If we are so fortunate to maintain the course:

There is no rich to tax, they already created a one tiered lower class society.  That should be satisfactory because no one has more than anyone else and everything is always kept on a level playing field.  

The government "represses nearly all forms of political dissent"; although, you may be delighted to hear that because no more fair & balanced news.    

Just think no Obama Care, you get the real deal.  The government operates a national health system and assumes fiscal and administrative responsibility for the health care of all its citizens. There are no private hospitals or clinics as all health services are government-run.

Its birth rate (9.88 births per thousand population in 2006) is one of the lowest in western hemisphere.  There is also unrestricted legal access to abortion.  This may not necessarily be a bad thing because there will be less human expansion of the "greenhouse effect".  They even had the foresight to protect the environment.  

Last but not least, no fire arms allowed.

I think by now you know what country I’m talking about, this is Cuba.  Is this the socialist paradise you are in search of?

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Reply #1 - 11/27/15 at 17:16:04
 
Try Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, United Kingdom and Sweden.....

"According to the Index, the freest nations in the world are, in order: Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, United Kingdom and Sweden. The United States is the only English-speaking country to rank outside the top 10."
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Reply #2 - 11/27/15 at 18:02:24
 
According to the Index, the freest nations in the world are

Please elaborate on the criteria in which freest is defined?  Also, what index are you referring to?

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Reply #3 - 11/27/15 at 18:16:52
 
Well Well,  Nirvana  it is then,  for the, ‘Left’.
However,  Nirvana, is often hard to get to.

“ Visas in Cuba are generally short-term. The only way you can become a permanent resident is if you marry a Cuban citizen. Even then, it takes a several months to process, and you also have to prove your funds.”

“ Because of the strict state control, Cuba is very contained and it is difficult to immigrate there.”

Un like,  a Person, coming from, Cuba, to the U.S.A.:

“ One who makes it to shore ("dry feet") gets a chance to remain in the United States, and  would qualify for expedited “legal permanent resident” status “

So.   Such a small thing to do, to find/live in, Nirvana.
Get a Visa. Find a Woman, (guessing you are a Man, or if a Woman, find a Man).  
Get Married. Give up any money you brought with.
(That you PROVED you,  ‘HAD’.)

But it’s all worth it. ALL  the things you wanted, in ONE  Package !

Now, ‘sneak’ into Cuba. And get all  the, Nirvana like benefits, ????
Not sure what would happen.
Just guessing, it would be very similar to, ‘Sneaking’, into,  Mexico.
(But of course,  Mexico, is NOT, Nirvana,  like Cuba is).
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Reply #4 - 11/27/15 at 18:34:22
 
Quote:
 "... According to the Index, the freest nations in the world are, ..."  


In those Countries you site;
OK,  Then, what would be the Equivalent, of the 1st Amendment then?

That’s right, no need for it, because the Government is Perfect.

OK then, on to the 2nd Amendment ?

Oh,  never mind, forgot, their is  NO CRIME,
NO Criminals, NO people that want to do others harm, in those countries.
Their are NO,  Clubs, Chains, Knives, etc.


OK, let;’s look at the 4th, Amendment.

Oh, Yea,  Forgot;    “The  Greater Good”.

etc’ etc’ etc.,

Their is ONE,    “Switzerland”.

But WAIT !,  How can that be?
The Citizens their, HAVE,   Firearms ?

Must have been a,  
’Typo’,  or a,  ‘Auto Spell’, check !!!!

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Reply #5 - 11/27/15 at 20:57:40
 
As for Switzerland, there's a law which says you should have a rifle in the house. Think of the adult males as being potentially 'reservists'.
This law is not enforced.
I hate to say it but I've stayed in several houses (with locals) at least 3 times in Bern and Zurich.
No firearms....they laughed.
It seems that the older generation and farmers are the only civilians to actually have guns, despite the requirement.
They don't have 'shootings' or wars much either.
So Switzerland wasn't another typo....

Which brings me on nicely to Cuba, which has one of the highest literacy rates in the world.....

PS. I met the Cuban ambassador to Ireland once....but that's another story  Cheesy
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Reply #6 - 11/27/15 at 21:58:58
 
pg wrote on 11/27/15 at 18:02:24:
According to the Index, the freest nations in the world are

Please elaborate on the criteria in which freest is defined?  Also, what index are you referring to?

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I don't have the link... but, it came came from Breitbart...
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Reply #7 - 11/28/15 at 09:41:44
 
Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, United Kingdom and Sweden.....

Hong Kong should fit in with the left as it was absorbed by communist China.  

What is the effective taxation rate of the European countries?  What percentage of every Euro do they get to keep?  Perhaps 3 for every 10 earned?

Hovis:  Is the UK a Socialist Paradise?

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Reply #8 - 11/28/15 at 09:49:36
 
@pg, no, the UK has a right wing government
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Reply #9 - 11/28/15 at 16:38:08
 
HovisPresley wrote on 11/28/15 at 09:49:36:
@pg, no, the UK has a right wing government


Really?
Then, why BAN, Guns ?
Why,  Ban Hunting ?
Why Ban, self Defense?

Oh, I got it now,  You are, ’TOLD’ what to do, by the, Queen.

Is that like:  The, Speakers’ Corner, in  Hyde Park , in the UK. (and other places).  Where, Speakers their may talk on any subject, "as long as the police consider their speeches lawful”.  

Sounds good,  

BUT it Depends on, ( “ WHAT THAT “, particular , Police man/women’s, views are,  concerning, ‘Lawful’.)

 Depends on, what,  ’That’ ONE  person, decides,  biased on that,  ‘ONE PERSONS,  Views.
(Or, what that, ‘ONE PERSON, is,   ’TOLD”,  what their, ‘VIEWS are GOING TO BE”)  !
Technically, their is, “  there is no immunity from the law,   BUT, What  IS, the Law ??????

Their  is  NO,  Definition of,  ‘Lawful”   !!!!!!!!!

Their is,  NO, explanation of,  ‘what’,  a,   ‘Subject’,  can or cannot say in the UK.
It is strictly, upon,  ‘interruption’ of,  ‘ONE person’, (Another  ‘Subject’), who views may be different.

(And in,  MANY, other,  Countries, ’speaking’,  YOUR,  views,  will get you,  ‘disappeared’ !)

In ’92, in the UK  the Conservative Party where John Major took his campaign onto the streets, delivering many addresses from an upturned soapbox. and  WON,  in excess of 14 million votes, from the Subjects, in the highest popular vote for a political party in a British general election.
Perhaps, those,  ‘Particular’,   ‘Police’, were simpatico, to what was said?
What would  have happened, if the, ‘Police’, were, ‘Progressive’,  (Liberal here).  ???????

Yep, Work to,  BAN,  Fox hunting by Horse back. Take AWAY, the individual right to have Firearms.
  Yet,  WELCOME,  ALL,    ‘Refuges’.  
A-Yep,  that is  REALLY gonna make you safe and secure !

In the UK,   What was that, that,  ‘Chamberlain’, said  in the late 1930’s. ?

A Quote,  from a,  British, Subject. Named, Ben Franklin.
“Give up,  FREEDOM,  for the sake of,  Security,  you will have,  NEITHER”
Un Like,  ‘Count Rumford’, who was, ‘loyal’ to the ‘crown’. !
Both were, ‘Buddies’. Both developed Unique, and more efficient ways of heating a house.  (For that time)   One a Stove, one a Fireplace.   BOTH,  were  Colonists.
Yet ONE, Chose,  FREEDOM, and another chose to be a, ’Subject’.

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Reply #10 - 11/28/15 at 16:55:07
 
We have a right wing (Conservative) government.

Not all guns are banned.

Self-defence is allowed.

Hunting is allowed, you can shoot anything from deer to pheasant to rabbit, depending.

The Queen is a figure-head only, the royal family famously enjoy hunting.

Have you been to Speakers Corner? You'd love it  Wink
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Reply #11 - 11/29/15 at 15:10:35
 
HovisPresley wrote on 11/28/15 at 16:55:07:
Have you been to Speakers Corner? You'd love it  Wink


On occasion I used to watch the House of Commons.  That was pretty entertaining!   Undecided

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Reply #12 - 11/29/15 at 17:18:56
 
HovisPresley wrote on 11/28/15 at 16:55:07:
We have a right wing (Conservative) government.Not all guns are banned.Self-defence is allowed.Hunting is allowed, you can shoot anything from deer to pheasant to rabbit, depending.The Queen is a figure-head only, the royal family famously enjoy hunting.
Have you been to Speakers Corner? You'd love it



“  … Not all guns are banned.   “
 Nope only, ANY, means of a  ’Self Defense’, firearm.
Mostly Shotguns are allowed.   LIMITED  to   2 shots,  ONLY.
(When I had the Gun Shop, a group of UK people come in,
and they wanted the then, “New’ Rem 11-87,   BUT.
It had to be ONLY,  2 shots.  
So we had to modify, weld the Magazines,
to ONLY hold ONE shell, before we could, export.)

“ … Self-defense is allowed.  …”
What is that in the UK, a,  Whistle’ ?
So the Police know where to go, to investigate the, ‘Murder” ?

Let’s see, a 100 pound Woman, run’s into a 200 pound man.
The Man wants to ‘rape’, her.
Her,  Defense is,   A  Whistle ???????
Now, the, ’reporting’, stats, are Different.
In the UK, ‘reporting’,   ‘RAPE”, is ONLY,   Male raping a  Female.

In the USA, it is, M/F,   F/M,  M/M,   F/F, and Prisons,  M/M,  F/F,  M/F,  F/M.
Comparing apples to apples,
Statics:   1 in 200  Women are RAPED, in the UK,  Each Year.
Yet in the USA it is 0.5 per, 1000 per year.  (of  M/F)
  (You do the Math)

Look at,  Violent Crime:
USA,  470 per 1,000.   UK   2,050 per 1,000.

Yep, ‘Gun’s’ is higher in the USA, but take away, ‘Firearms’,  the CRIME/Assault, is  STILL Their, Just a different, ’thing’ used.

“ … Hunting is allowed, you can shoot anything from deer to pheasant to rabbit, depending. …”
Yea, a   LOT, of,  ‘depending’.   !   A  Whole,   Lot of, “ Depending”.
I have been,  ‘Hunting’ in the UK.  And it is  NOT,  EVEN,  REMOTELY  CLOSE.

“ … The Queen is a figure-head only, the royal family famously enjoy hunting.   …”

I wonder of the, Queen and, Court, can  Still Fox Hunt. ????????
How about, ‘you’, Or did  Tony Blair take care of that ?
And do you think the, ‘Queen and/or, Court, can,  ‘Hunt’ in a way, or for a species, that, ‘YOU’ can not ?

Speaking of the, “Queen’, What about the WEEKLY,  Meeting between the Queen and the P.M. ?
Well Known meeting.
EVERONE, Knows about, that, meeting.
But the, ‘words said’,  in that, ‘meeting’ are held in, ULTRA- Secret!

Just thinking, if it was the P.M., telling the Queen, what is happening.
No need for, ’Secrecy’,    Yet if it was the,  Queen/ Monarchic, telling the P.M.
what to do.   Could be quite a different story.  ‘ eh?

“ … Have you been to Speakers Corner? …”

Yep, 3 times.  2 times on first trip, 1 time second trip.
1st trip, 2nd time, I, ‘engaged’, the Speaker.
( I was, ‘called out’ as a, ‘Yank’.  Not to hard of a  profile,
BB cap,  Tennis Shoes,  Quilted down Jacket)
And when the,  ’Speaker, talked, GARBAGE, about the ‘Yanks’, and their Country’.
I responded, ’to things he knew  NOTHING, about’,
and after 5 minuets, he,  STOPPED,   responding.
Because he,  KNEW, he was, just, SPEWING,   Garbage Talk.

Oh,  BTY,   What kind of,  ‘box’, do you use, when you, ’speak’, at, Hyde  Park ?
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Reply #13 - 11/29/15 at 18:16:21
 
Your first sentence is illegible.
"Nope only, ANY, means of a  ’Self Defense’, firearm."

Then, a whistle? What's all that about?

A reference with your violent crime comparison would be nice.

The "depending" word was used because it depends who and where it is. Common sense, really. Even for a firearms safety instructor:
"Who"....because we try not to let anyone with a criminal or mental health record have a gun.
"Where" because it could be on your own land, public land, it could be on an country estate, etc, etc. It depends.

Hunting in the UK?
Here you can shoot foxes, deer, rabbits, pheasant and other animals legally.
You can even fox hunt on horseback, using packs of beagles, in parts of the UK, legally.
You may have been hunting in the UK, but you know very little of the subject.
If I'm "not even remotely close", then tell us all.

If the Queen and the PM get together once a week, do you think that she tells him what to do  Grin
I bet they also talk about their favourite James Bond  Roll Eyes
Or maybe she kneels down in front of him.....like Monica and Bill  Grin  Embarrassed
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Reply #14 - 03/12/16 at 17:06:02
 
pg wrote on 11/27/15 at 16:05:36:
I think by now you know what country I’m talking about, this is Cuba.  Is this the socialist paradise you are in search of?




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