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Savageman Senior Member Offline Knowledge is half the battle Posts: 275 Marysville, California Gender:	4th to 5th gear ? 12/14/15 at 22:02:17 OK I need to get 10 posts so all the buttons work. I hardly notice a 4th to 5th difference on my 2001. Is that normal?
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29276 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #1 - 12/14/15 at 22:04:50 It ain't much... ...but, it's better than nothin'...
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18314 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #2 - 12/15/15 at 03:15:44 The fourth to fifth would be nice if it would be bigger - but it is what it is. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1341162964
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #3 - 12/15/15 at 07:28:24 Yeah, and I think the jump from first to second is a bit much. They could've smoothed out the jumps, had a higher fifth, but, they Are the engineers. I'm reasonably comfortable believing they at least calculated Something to make that decision. Or, another bike uses That gear, and they were saving money...
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Re: 4th to 5th gear ?
Reply #4 - 12/15/15 at 08:28:03

I'm sure gear selection had something to do with what's available.
But if you look at a dyno curve...

You see that the torque curve is quite broad, top 10% goes from 2500 to 5500.
Whereas the top 10% of hp only goes from 4500 to maybe 6200.
We can see from the speed chart peak torque occurs from 60 to 70 mph in 5th.
I hear that's optimum for mpg.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #5 - 12/15/15 at 08:54:19 I wish I was smart enough to look at that and know what would have happened to the graph if fifth would've been higher.
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Matt_greatlakesstate Junior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 58 Midland, MI Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #6 - 12/15/15 at 17:09:21 I sometimes think I'm in 5th when im cruisin at about 60 till i go to downshift and realize i was in 4th the whole time. The bike sounds almost the same in both gears.
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Reply #7 - 12/15/15 at 20:41:40

There ain't much difference! With a thumper, you kinda need a little more RPM to smooth out the engine's pulses. You can't really rev it as low as a twin.

Like JOG said, I hope the engineers knew what they were doing. They get paid more than me! Cheesy

However, they should've asked me before they designed the transmission. Maybe I missed the memo. Huh

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jcstokes Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com is very useful Posts: 2142 Mauku New Zealand Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #8 - 12/15/15 at 21:37:03 It's an el cheapo entry level bike, and does bloody well for what it is. Yes sometimes I'm forgetful in fourth, occasionally I try for sixth.
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Reply #9 - 12/16/15 at 02:46:57

jcstokes wrote on 12/15/15 at 21:37:03:

It's an el cheapo entry level bike, and does bloody well for what it is. Yes sometimes I'm forgetful in fourth, occasionally I try for sixth.

If I'm being overly sensitive then forgive me, but...I wouldn't call it "el cheapo". The 2016 MSRP is $9399.00...Yeah, if you buy a 20 year old model you can get it cheap, but you'll pay in parts and labor...pay now or pay later sort of thing. Compare this to a 2016 Honda Rebel with an MSRP of $4190. The rebel fits the description of an el cheapo entry level bike better than the S40. I'm not entirely sure I'd say that the S40 is really an entry level bike either. I won't let my teenage daughter ride my S40 but I'd have no issue with her jumping on a rebel.

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ls650v Junior Member Offline 97 savage Posts: 73 Clinton Twp, MI Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #10 - 12/16/15 at 03:13:43 Quote: The 2016 MSRP is $9399.00... How did you come up with this number? Try $5499.00 U.S. http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/Boulevard%20S40/2...
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Reply #11 - 12/16/15 at 04:13:04

ls650v wrote on 12/16/15 at 03:13:43:

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The 2016 MSRP is $9399.00...

How did you come up with this number? Try $5499.00 U.S.

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/Boulevard%20S40/2...

Ugh, that's a typo...Meant $5399.00... The Suzuki Dealership near me says $5399.00 on the info sheet. Anyway, $1300 is a big difference. I'm getting a new CBR500R next month for just $400 more. The CBR250R is 4099.00 and the CBR300R is $$4399.00...Those are entry level bikes and the price underscores that. My point is, this isn't cheap and probably not quite entry level for performance or for pricing.

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Reply #12 - 12/16/15 at 18:52:29

I think the S40 gets the rep for entry level because it won't do 150+. It's not a sport bike and it doesn't have the sound of a Harley even though it's considered a cruiser. The general public is typically clueless. The S40 is very torquey and may be too much for a complete noob to handle. If you have any brains at all you should be able to ride it with no problems.

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Re: 4th to 5th gear ?
Reply #13 - 12/16/15 at 22:37:03

Kris01 wrote on 12/16/15 at 18:52:29:

I think the S40 gets the rep for entry level because it won't do 150+. It's not a sport bike and it doesn't have the sound of a Harley even though it's considered a cruiser. The general public is typically clueless. The S40 is very torquey and may be too much for a complete noob to handle. If you have any brains at all you should be able to ride it with no problems.

That's about right. This cluelessness is exactly why I say I think the S40 might not fit entry level. My general rule of thumb is if you can easily pull the front wheel off the ground it's not entry level. Can you get a 250cc to pull the front wheel up? Yes, some of them can, but it takes practice and patience.

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jcstokes Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com is very useful Posts: 2142 Mauku New Zealand Gender:	Re: 4th to 5th gear ? Reply #14 - 12/16/15 at 23:28:42 Savage/S40 is pretty forgiving, which is why I consider it entry level. In my country it was included in the LAMS "Learner Approved Motorcycle" scheme, when the rules were changed from a ridged 250cc, anything that size or under goes, limit to a horsepower based formula. I'm still learning on it.
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