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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #300 - 07/22/16 at 15:09:11
 
   
http://liliputing.com/2016/07/report-cyanogen-inc-shift-operating-system-apps...



Once upon a time, there were real competitors to Android .....

There was Apple iOS 7-8-9

Firefox OS,

Sailfish OS

Cyanogen Mod OS

Windows 10 for Phone


The second to last of these has officially thrown in the towel, Cyanogen Mod has gone broke and laid off most of their employees.   Basically, the folks at Cyanogen will support their unique Android apps for the rest of this year and that's it for a future plan, no more claims about having a competing OS product of any kind under any form of development any more.

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This only leaves Apple still working, and good 'ol MS with their mostly abandoned Windows 10 OS product of which MS has only 2-3 Win 10 phones that are still out and still claiming to be "somewhat real".    

MS just lately completely dropped all Win 8.x for phone support and stated they would not support it any further.   Only a very few Win 8.x phones were ever even said to be upgradable to Win 10, and many fewer than that ever saw a real upgrade to Win 10 that actually worked worth moldy dried beans.  

But Win 10 was stated as your free upgrade path that allowed MS to legally drop all support for the old phones .....   (sound familiar yet?)

Then MS abruptly quit paying the independent Win 10 app developers early last quarter and they in turn never updated a single Win 10 for Phone app ever again ...... and since MS kept on fiddling with Win 10 for Phone OS week after week after week the existing paid for app base all broke and simply quit working.

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         ...... ain't much there anymore, working that is .....  'cept Apple iOS of course -- that still works and has actual market share.


   

It is an older graph, iOS is currently a bit under 20% market share while Android is hitting around 80% with Windows Phone and Symbian and Rim and Blackberry all giving up the extra turf to make it all work out to 100%.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #301 - 07/23/16 at 01:44:53
 

http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/21/12246266/france-microsoft-privacy-windows-1...

France orders Microsoft to stop tracking Windows 10 users
Data protection authority gives Microsoft three months to comply with French privacy laws

France's data protection commission has ordered Microsoft to "stop collecting excessive user data" and to stop tracking the web browsing of Windows 10 users without their consent. In a notice published on Wednesday, the CNIL said that Microsoft must also take steps to guarantee "the security and confidentiality" of its users' personal information, after determining that the company was still transferring data to the US under the "Safe Harbor" agreement that an EU court invalidated in October. Microsoft has three months to comply with the orders, the CNIL said.

The CNIL says it decided to issue the notice due to the "seriousness of the breaches and the number of individuals concerned," saying there are more than 10 million Windows users in France. The CNIL found that Microsoft is collecting "excessive" data on Windows 10 users, including the specific apps they download and how much time they spend on each one. The organization added that the company uses cookies to serve personalized ads without properly informing users or allowing them to opt out, and that the four-character PIN system used to access Microsoft services is insecure, because there is no limit on the number of attempts a user can make.

If Microsoft does not comply within the three-month window, the CNIL says it may appoint an investigator who could recommend sanctions against the company. "The purpose of the notice is not to prohibit any advertising on the company’s services but, rather, to enable users to make their choice freely, having been properly informed of their rights," the CNIL said in a statement.

The CNIL has issued similar notices against US tech companies in the past. Last year, the organization ordered Google to expand Europe's "right to be forgotten" ruling to cover all Google sites, and earlier this year, it ordered Facebook to stop tracking the web browsing of non-users, giving the company three months to comply.


MS used to excuse their excessive data mining by saying they were working hard on fixing all the things wrong with Win 10 -- but Win 10 is all fixed now (supposedly) and France has formally told MS this flimsy excuse no longer plays.

If the privacy issues are not fixed completely in 90 days France will start the formal EU process to charge MS multiple billions of $$$ in legal offense dollars for ongoing privacy invasion.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #302 - 07/24/16 at 05:49:01
 
http://www.pcmag.com/news/346338/france-hits-microsoft-with-windows-10-privac...

France Hits Microsoft With Windows 10 Privacy Complaint



France's National Data Protection Commission (CNIL) issued the order, which claims that the Windows Store collects data without permission on all the apps users download and the time spent on each one. The order also says that Windows 10 installs an advertising identifier by default, allowing Microsoft to monitor browsing and offer targeted advertising without consent.

In addition to violating user data protection laws, CNIL also complained that the Windows Store authentication method presents a security risk. Users can select a four-digit PIN to authenticate their Microsoft accounts, but unlimited attempts to enter the PIN are allowed, according to CNIL.

French data protection laws allow for a fine of up to 1.5 million euros, or $1.65 million, for collecting and processing users' information without permission. CNIL said it will not impose penalties or sanctions unless Microsoft does not address the issues within three months.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #303 - 07/25/16 at 15:42:33
 

http://liliputing.com/2016/07/chuwi-vi10-plus-windowsremix-os-tablet-launches...

Chuwi Vi10 Plus Windows/Remix-OS tablet launches for $169 and up



Read the title of this whole thread that you have been reading on for the last six months and remember that we have been waiting for the two contestants to actually get up into the ring and start slugging it out.

The SAME ring will be available sometimes in August for the very first scheduled preliminary bout between Win 10 PC and Remix Android PC (the pilot fish for Google's 8.0 full version).

Brad Linder points out But a dual-OS model with Windows 10 and Remix OS doesn’t cost that much more. For $239 you can pick up the dual OS model, which also has twice as much memory (4 gigs) and storage (64 gigs).

Yes, the Windows unit REALLY ACTUALLY DOES REQUIRE four times as much systems memory and twice as much program storage space as the Android based Remix OS version requires.

Given barely enough resources to chug along, Win 10 is going to perform barely so so.   Flipping over to Remix OS, the Chuwi is jest gonna burn out it's tires, jest a smoking it with 4x more resources that it actually really requires and Remix OS is already well known to work very quickly on just 1 gig of systems memory.  2 gigs is considered ample for Remix OS right now.

But this Chuwi Vi10 Plus makes a REALLY great boxing ring, as each OS gets to show off its stuff in the exact SAME-SAME environment.   No tilting of the playing field can happen here.   Just pure programming goodness, system requirements and relative speed showing cleanly.  

They ARE giving Win 10 what it says it needs for system memory and SSD memory, so you got no excuses, MS.

And the reviewer folks can repeat their tests and comparisons at will until they have a firm answer to share with us.

Grin    Place your bets, Gentlemen, place your bets .....  and remember that porky slow MS OS system is back to costing you a full $120 at retail just for its slow porky self.   Plus the extra cost of the extra processor and extra memory, of course.    And never forget the Office 365 yearly charges and other software you will have to buy (and rebuy again and again over the years).
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #304 - 07/26/16 at 10:37:10
 
 
Now, let's talk about that old PC holding up that corner in the garage.

Yeah, that one ..... XP generation or slightly better.    What can you actually DO with it, usefully?

http://liliputing.com/2016/07/remix-os-pc-update-brings-android-6-0-multi-win...

Remix OS for PC update brings Android 6.0, multi-window improvements



Now Jide is launching a major update to Remix OS for PC. The new version is based Android 6.0 (instead of Android 5.1), and includes support for additional hardware including computers with NVIDIA and AMD graphics.

The update brings the version number of the operating system up to Remix OS 3.0, and it also brings new features to one of the operating system’s hallmark features: the ability to run multiple Android apps in resizable windows that can be positioned anywhere on the screen.

Remix OS for PC supports computers with 32-bit and 64-bit chips, and it can be downloaded and installed on a USB flash drive, allowing you to boot from a removable storage device without making any changes to your computer. Or you can install the operating system on a hard drive to dual-boot Remix OS and Windows.



Note that the software does not have the Google Play Store pre-loaded by default. But all you need to do to install it is open the Remix Central app, choose the “Google Play Installer” option, and follow the instructions.
  I also note above that you can get to the free MS Office bits and pieces on-line for free, such that you are able to work on work stuff at home if you need to.

Jide deserves kudos for doing a damme FINE job of being the "pilot fish" -- they have rung the bell consistently so far, yes indeedy they have.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #305 - 07/26/16 at 12:57:57
 
 
How far off the pace in state of the art mobile/desktop processors is good 'ol Intel, (who is still stuck at 14nm) really?

Mediatek is sorta bottomish but BIG in the ARM world, and they are rather proud of it.   Mediatek makes the processors for BLU and a lot of the other high value low cost phone suppliers.

So, where Mediatek is going right now sorta defines how far behind the pack Intel actually is at the moment.

http://liliputing.com/2016/07/10nm-mediatek-helio-x30-chip-coming-2017.html

10nm MediaTek Helio X30 11 core chipset coming in 2017

First up, the Helio X30 will be the company’s first 10nm processor. Most of the company’s recent chips are constructed using a 28nm or 16nm processes. The move should lead to improvements in performance and energy efficiency.

The new processors are also said to feature improved modems, enabling support for more mobile broadband network bands.

The Helio X30 is expected to feature support for up to 8GB of LPDDR4 RAM and UFS 2.1 storage.
  Please remember, Helios 10 and 20 both were promised, and became real right on schedule -- Mediatek is both prompt and trustworthy in that aspect.

Well, four technology breakthroughs are promised so far for this one, 10nm production off of new TSMC lines, 8 gigs of fast fast fast systems memory, a full spectrum coverage on all tower's radios and the production use of that new super fast SD card storage stuff and a lastly, a stone cold threat to ARM that if ARM Mali graphics don't take a BIG jump forward by next year then PowerVR Graphics Series 7 graphics may be used by Mediatek instead.

So, ARM has been served graphics notice as Mediatek is the largest player in the stock ARM Universe at the moment.

IMPROVE the Mali graphics, a lot, very quickly, or else.

Now, about how far Intel is being left behind by these changes, well this chipset sorta smells like a low end Core i5 equivalent, or perhaps mebbe slightly better than a low end Core i5 equivalent ????

Intel has GOT to come out with some non-silicon 7nm fairly soon or else risk being totally sidelined by the consistent year on year progress being made by ARM processors.

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So, once again, WHY is this worth paying attention to ????

http://liliputing.com/2016/07/acer-chromebook-13-mediatek-mt8173-processor-co...

Acer Chromebook 13 with MediaTek MT8173 processor coming soon

Both Chromebooks and Android Laptops will be able to make some primo alfalfa hay with these new chipsets  -- while Intel is still bailing up 3 year old low-efficiency weeds.
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Reply #306 - 07/27/16 at 05:50:58
 

Hey Oldfeller,  I thought about this topic on SS over the past few days.

You see, I got one of those BLU R1 HD phones from Amazon earlier this week to put on my AT&T family data plan and let my 22 year old son use for a few months. Personally, I like AT&T. They are expensive but I've had their service ever since my phone was Cingular and it's really reliable when I go to the outer banks or up into the sticks of the Blue Ridge mountains.

Anyway, for only $50 (since I'm a member of prime), it seemed really nice. Had Android 6.0 (Marshmallow), Gorilla Glass front screen, 8GB of space and nice sharp screen. Dang, it said it would take HD video and it has an 8 megapixel front camera.

Now I'll admit that I've been an Apple fanboy for some years now but after seeing what $50 can get these days, I'll be thinking really hard before shelling out another $700 for an iPhone 7 this September.

Maybe Google's new Nexus will be worth some of my hard earned cash this fall.
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Reply #307 - 07/27/16 at 18:12:41
 

Hello RaleighGuy,

How's that Mediatek chipset doing for you as far as speed & responsiveness ???

I had a BLU for a few weeks and sent it back to Amazon as it was claimed back then to be 4G LTE and it was just 3G-4G (a bad listing job on Amazon, actually, using info that was based on BLU data belonging to the next gen phone that had just come out).   Still,  in using it, really it was a good enough phone for all normal uses.   I just wanted one that had ALL of what I was promised, which it turns out was a lot more expensive at that point in time.

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We now have several list members in this area, me, you, another Fayetteville guy who was fixing up a bike but never really responded to things like notes left on his seat, etc.

We COULD get together periodically for a local event or a local ride of some sort if you wanted to.

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Reply #308 - 07/28/16 at 04:10:16
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 07/27/16 at 18:12:41:

Hello RaleighGuy,

How's that Mediatek chipset doing for you as far as speed & responsiveness ???

I had a BLU for a few weeks and sent it back to Amazon as it was claimed back then to be 4G LTE and it was just 3G-4G (a bad listing job on Amazon, actually, using info that was based on BLU data belonging to the next gen phone that had just come out).   Still,  in using it, really it was a good enough phone for all normal uses.   I just wanted one that had ALL of what I was promised, which it turns out was a lot more expensive at that point in time.

Roll Eyes

We now have several list members in this area, me, you, another Fayetteville guy who was fixing up a bike but never really responded to things like notes left on his seat, etc.

We COULD get together periodically for a local event or a local ride of some sort if you wanted to.



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I didn't really test things such as download speeds from the Google Play store or running any graphic intensive games on it. What I did test were the still camera, video capabilities, picture messaging, phone call quality (after all, it's still called a phone), and changing some basic settings.

As I said, I'm normally an Apple boy so Droid is a little unfamiliar to me. All I've ever played with on my own is a little Kindle Fire and Amazon's OS is so completely different looking that it's not really Android at all.

I gave it to my 22 year old son for his enjoyment day before yesterday. I know mostly what he uses a phone for is texting, playing YouTube stuff, FB, a few games like Candy Crush or that new "Pokémon Done-Gone" game. But I'm sure he will update me in a few more days about how great or lame it is.

The only thing I saw on it that was kind of a real bummer was how many Amazon and Google apps were preloaded that you CAN'T delete. Yeah, I know you can root a droid phone and customize however you want, but in the immortal words of Sweet Brown.... "Ain't nobody got time for that!!"

Oh, and getting together sounds pretty good. Summer is keeping me really busy but after August, life should slow down some. And even though my handle is RaleighGuy, I actually live in Fuquay so it's only a hop, skip and a jump away from Fayette-nam.    Grin

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Reply #309 - 07/28/16 at 12:54:05
 

Fayettenam's only claim to fame is some decent gun stores, but you got you a famous bakery in Fuquay, so we are even.

Considering it is less than an hour to Fuquay we could plan to go do something this fall.  What and where, I am totally open about.

I work weekends, which does put a damper on general plans but I do have Thursday and Friday off just about every week.
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Reply #310 - 07/28/16 at 12:59:32
 
Well, it looks like Msoft will let you use win 7 until 2020, but won't update or support it.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3093001/software/you-can-safely-use-windows-7-...
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Reply #311 - 07/28/16 at 13:14:17
 

Yes, but they are busy right now making sure all new Windows PCs contain their boot review lock out chip (a physical chip) that keeps you from loading or accessing any other OS product on that new machine.   They do this by making sure Win 10 won't work AT ALL on any bulk manufacturer priced software licenses without the chip being present, a "required security" thing you know.    

It is a MS requirement both contractually and physically that is intended to brick you into their MS walled garden.

By not writing any new Win 7 drivers and forcing all sub-vendors to use only approved Win 10 drivers MS has in essence put a functional end to Win 7 and Win 9.1 which will kill them off piecemeal very quickly.
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Reply #312 - 07/28/16 at 13:28:19
 

MS's actions of late has gotten them some adverse reaction, from governments in the EU, France, Germany, China and also from American Business in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khSe1a6LiTc  

This is a Corporate Operating Manager from Charles Schwab who needed a heavy duty secure system to do client sign ups and client communications.   This job was something MS had done, but it cost a mint as Schwab had to buy multiple layers of expensive programs to get the job done.   Faced with having to buy Win 10 computers all over again, Google was given a look see .....

Watch it to see why Google is going to impact American Business starting soon -- not everywhere all at once but in selected portions of the business world to begin with.

EVEN THE MAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIA IS PICKING UP ON THIS SEA CHANGE --

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/hows-google-doing-in-the-corporate-world-talk-...
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Reply #313 - 07/28/16 at 13:38:31
 
Going to build my next one from scratch.... no operating system... just bits and pieces.

So far its up to 1,200 dollars.... LOL....

the dang video card alone is more than mother board/cpu/ram/case and power supply all together Smiley

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