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Reply #315 - 07/29/16 at 05:12:08
 

We may see an article written way out in the future containing that data -- but right now MS is blowing them a fog bank of brown smoke over the whole Win 10 conversion thing, especially since the EU is after their butts now and is looking to put a hurt upon them for breaking EU laws.
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Reply #316 - 07/29/16 at 07:48:51
 

Wups ..... a gap in the brown MS fog bank opens up.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-28/microsoft-to-cut-2-850-more...

Microsoft to Cut 2,850 More Jobs in Exit From Phone Business

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-to-cut-2850-more-jobs-including-some-i...

What does Ms Microsoft, Mary Jo Foley have to say about this bit of news ?????

Microsoft to cut 2,850 more jobs, including some in Microsoft sales
MIcrosoft is cutting 2,850 more jobs beyond the 1,850 that the company announced would be eliminated earlier this year. The new cuts will hit phone hardware and sales.

In July 2015, Microsoft announced it would be cutting 7,400 people in fiscal 2016, primarily in the company's phone hardware business. At that time, Microsoft officials said the company would take a $7.6 billion write-down related to its Nokia acquisition, plus a restructuring charge of between $750 million to $850 million.

Microsoft planned to complete the 7,400 job cuts largely by the end of calendar 2015 and completely by the end of fiscal 2016, which means June 30, 2016, officials said at the time.

In February this year, Microsoft made more cuts connected with its phone hardware business that were not part of the original round of 7,400. And in May 2016, the company announced the aforementioned layoff of 1,850 jobs that were mostly connected to its phone hardware business. That May round of cuts didn't include the 4,500 jobs that Microsoft shed by selling off its feature phone business to FIH Mobile.

The majority of the 2,850 in the new round of cuts have already been notified, I'm hearing, including 900 people earlier this month related to the restructuring of Microsoft's sales organization.

Last month, Microsoft announced that its Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner was leaving the company for a new job, and that his responsibilities would be divided among a handful of existing Microsoft execs as part of a sales and marketing reorganization.


Microsoft's total market share SHRANK an overall 5% during the same year that they rolled out their biggest "success story" ever

-- ie Windows 10



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http://liliputing.com/2016/07/microsoft-sold-13-8-million-lumia-phones-last-y...

... yeah, and most of these phones were sold at a half price or just flat given away as sales incentives on other items.   This give away game on these totally unsupported any more Win 8.1 phones is reflected in the following revenue numbers ......

Overall, Microsoft says phone revenue decreased by $4.2 billion, or 56 percent from 2015 and 2016.

Another piece of news from the company’s 10-K filing is also getting headlines today: Microsoft plans to eliminate another 2,850 jobs this year ” as an extension of the earlier plan” to remove 1,850 positions. It’s not clear if the bulk of these additional job cuts will come in the smartphone hardware and sales businesses like those covered by the earlier announcement.


Why give away phones or sell masses of them at half price or less?  If your market share is at 0.7% of the total market and your warehouses bulge with phones you have discontinued supporting, you might as well give them away as sales incentives rather than pay out yet more money to properly scrap them.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #317 - 07/29/16 at 13:17:28
 
Well MS kept their word, the free offer has ended, my computer is going ok as far as I can see.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #318 - 07/29/16 at 13:39:37
 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-28/microsoft-to-cut-2-850-more...

Bloomberg gives out last quarter's current market share statistics as seen from a financial reporting viewpoint    this information is "USA only" based info

Windows phones had less than 1 percent of the global smartphone market in the first quarter, according to Gartner Inc. That compares with Android’s 84 percent and 15 percent for Apple’s iOS.     this information is "USA only" based info

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-26/apple-forecasts-another-sal...

What the rest of the world sees is more radical as Apple iPhones are VERY HIGH PRICED products that do not sell well in the rest of the world simply because folks cannot readily afford them.    It is a simple fact that many have reported, you can get a lot more phone for your dollar with an Android phone right now, especially in opening up markets such as India.  

Apple iphone sales have decreased by 25% in the Chinese and Indian markets -- a very bad thing for Apple right now.



Worldwide, talking current quarter sales only, Android is >85% of what is actually moving in phone sales right now.   Apple is <15% and the current Windows Phone sales numbers are a questionable thing right now since so many reported sales are actually promotional giveaways and vastly discounted fire sale type numbers on phones that have had MS drop ALL ONGOING SUPPORT for just recently.  

Trust MS to empty their warehouses and get rid of all old stale stocks this year since carrying that inventory over into the next fiscal year will get people fired by the MS board of directors (who don't want to get sued or go to jail over it either).

Huh    Huh    Huh    Huh

What happens when Android phones and home PCs functionally merge together starting next year?

Good question ......  

Huh    Huh    Huh    Huh

     
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #319 - 07/29/16 at 16:24:09
 

Superbook gets 1080p display option (Andromium laptop dock for Android phones)



It’s been just over a week since Andromium launched a Kickstarter campaign in hopes of raising $50,000 to produce a device that lets you use an Android smartphone like a laptop.

With 21 days left to go in the Superbook campaign, the project has received over $1.1 million in pledges, which means that it’s hit a few key stretch goals. The team is adding an extra USB port and a bigger battery. And backers willing to pay $30 extra for the option can now get a higher-quality, higher-resolution display.

The Superbook looks like a laptop, but it’s really just the shell of a notebook computer. It has a screen, keyboard, and battery. But it doesn’t have a processor, memory, storage, or operating system: all of those things are supplied by your phone when you connect it to the Superbook with a USB cable.

While Android isn’t really optimized for desktop-style computing this completely just yet, Andromium offers a free app that you can load on phones running Android 5.0 or later to give the operating system a taskbar and support for multi-window mode.

Andromium is asking for $99 for a basic model with an 11.6 inch, 1366 x 768 pixel TN display with limited viewing angles. But now folks can pledge $129 or more (or amend existing pledges) to get a model with a 1920 x 1080 pixel IPS display with 178-degree viewing angles.


It is anticipated that the Andromium pilot fish project will work out all the buggies for the "phone as a PC" trick in time for Google to put it all into Android 8.0 which will come out next year.

Just like Jide and the Android X86 project groups have worked out all the multi-windowing Android stuff just dandy now and that tech is being used in the Orient to put out the first Android laptops for Oriental sale as we speak.

Take Jide and Andromium projects together, plus the new heavy duty ARM processors just out from Mediatek and I think MS and Intel may have something to be jest a wee bit concerned about going forward.

My current Nexus 5x cell phone is mighty enough to do Andromium trick to a stationary screen and full keyboard (which I already own) using a phone dock swinging some larger better speakers and some extra ports so I can plug in all my other stuff as well.

    Costs $49 right now

And I think this capability will be commonly distributed inside the standard Google Android dessert flavor within roughly about a year from now.  

Or Google may hang back a bit longer and let the pilot fish finish growing up to be full grown sharks instead -- it has done so in the past rather than disrupt the growing pilot fish when they were doing very well for themselves (think of Republic Wireless for your example).   Google was very careful NOT to disrupt or destroy Republic Wireless, and to this day the two companies still cooperate in the realm of Wifi calling services.
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Reply #320 - 07/30/16 at 07:15:36
 
so how mighty a phone do you need for that $50 docking thing to work
Cricket, which supposedly uses ATT towers and gets the same reception, now does an unlimited cell data plan for $65 a month, but no tethering to 'real computers' allowed
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Reply #321 - 07/30/16 at 17:17:42
 
OF, just noticed that the Get Win 10 icon has disappeared from the bottom of my screen.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #322 - 07/30/16 at 17:45:37
 

Huh     What to say about the ending of MS's final chance to create something great.

And instead (sadly) what they really did was lay rows of bricks to make tall thick garden walls without any open access doors in them at all.

Will the walls come down, or will MS have actually built its own thick walled mausoleum?

All the "growth" that MS got this year was due to MS intentionally BREAKING old computers on purpose (oops, you got you a bad driver there, we are gonna delete that bad software now) to force the MS dependent folks who owned them to shell out again to buy a brand new machine, this time with a MS nanny chip in it to keep users from loading other OS products like Linux.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #323 - 07/31/16 at 06:25:03
 

I also did a quick review of low end PC prices ---- Intel is now back to selling their wares at full price so the cost of an Intel machine STARTS at $300 now-a-days.    

Intel has also completely dropped production on the lowest two levels of chipsets that used to be used in all the cheapie stuff, back then Intel was also nice enough to price support them and  to cover about half the cost of "extra needed components" as well.    Intel never did make a real system on a chip on any of their low end products, ever --- counter revenue price supports were supposed to make up for this lack.

The age of cheap Intel anything is OVER now.          Embarrassed
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #324 - 07/31/16 at 07:09:33
 

Lenovo sends a message to Microsoft
-- quit gouging us !!!


http://liliputing.com/2016/07/lenovo-ship-laptops-endless-os-mexico.html

Now Lenovo has announced it will ship a laptop in Mexico that comes with Endless OS pre-installed instead of using Win 10.




Endless OS has a simple, phone-like user interface and comes with more than 100 apps pre-loaded, including LibreOffice, the Pitivi video editor, GIMP image editor, and educational content including Wikipedia, Khan Academy, and more.

Lenovo will load the operating system on a version of the B41-30 notebook, which is a low-cost model featuring a 14 inch, 1366 x 768 pixel display, an Intel Celeron N3050 processor, 2GB of RAM, 500GB of storage 802.11ac WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, two USB 3.0 ports, a USB 2.0 port, HDMI and VGA ports, a DVD drive, and an SD card reader.
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Reply #325 - 07/31/16 at 18:55:30
 
OF, when you aren't too busy, it would be interesting to know the number who upgraded after the "sneak" June upgrade and the 29th of July.
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Reply #326 - 07/31/16 at 19:06:47
 

I am afraid MS isn't being forthcoming with numbers like those at this time.

If someone gets them and writes something about these last few day I'll post about it.

Right now, it is "undisclosed".

(hint: when the numbers are good MS falls all over themselves to brag about them.   When they aren't good, silence falls.)

However, especially when they are getting sued by users for breaking the user's machines, MS tends to shut up completely --- a lot.
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Reply #327 - 08/01/16 at 08:10:34
 

Recap to get a sense of size or scale between MS and the others.

In case you weren't watching during the last year, MS has taken extreme actions to rope in all their past users, to get them corralled in on the same ad moneymaking, data selling, steady profit generating OS system that they call Windows 10.

At the same time MS cut out 100% of all support for all of their old operating systems and shrank their company people-wise by approximately 50% (this shrinkage is still going on as the large crew of Win 10 programmers included a lot of contract people who have just been quietly let go).

Microsoft looks forward to a shrinking future (5-7% per year is the current shrink rate) with lots of future paradigm shift threats that can accelerate that decline out there already.

MS now knows it cannot make a marketable phone (as Intel knows it cannot make a marketable phone chip).   The world-wide cell phone expansion phase is done now anyway, as is the massive future Internet of things boost that has fizzled out as well.   MS and Intel missed out on both of them.

Both companies are searching for future pathways now.

Microsoft had hoped to bunker down with a billion sized market share, but found greater that expected user resistance took place that limited them to around 600-750 million total users to get roped into that sealed up bunker with them.

Market share erosion has been supposedly checked now by the use of HARDWARE lock out chips in new equipment that require the user to be bright enough to ASK about the nanny chips and NOT BUY the unit if the lock out chip is in it.  

This hardware chip stops you from dual booting (or simply replacing) Microsoft's Win 10 operating system.   AVOID BUYING IT.

Legality of this trick has yet to be tested in the courts, the EU is eying it already as just one of MS's long list of recent offenses.

But please remember Size and Scale.  In PC land MS just locked up around 75% of the entire remaining PC taco and is trying their best to keep Linux, etc from nibbling on that taco any further.

Microsoft's real future issue is that there are hamburgers out there, and hot dogs, and sub sandwiches.   Locking down tacos is all well and good, but people can eat other stuff too you know.

Next reminder of Size and Scale -- MS has failed to lock down their projected billion PC users by about 1/4.   So, let's talk about that billion number in relation to what is potentially coming to greet MS in the next few years.  Cell phone as a PC replacement, docking and lighting up your big screen and your keyboard (or your laptop a la Andromium).

Let's give Micky Soft the benefit of any loose numbers and "agree" that they caught more minnows in their net than they really did.

Next year (or year after, giving leeway) Google and the pilot fish will have the PC/Phone thing down pat and the standard 2-3 year replacement life on everyone's cell phone will come due.   People will start buying PC Phones as that will be what Android is, by default.

MickySoft's billion users has been shrinking by 5-10% per annum, now that accelerates to 20-25% per annum.   That says MickySoft's future life span as a major player is only good for 5-6 years total.

How real is this threat?

MickySoft has locked down less than a billion users, all of whom own cell phones right now.  All of these users have skills in alternate OS products.  MS has no growth projected going forward, only shrinkage.  

Remember, Over a BILLION and a HALF replacement cell phones are sold each year right now .....

Replacement life on a PC is 6-10 years.  We will all make our next choices inside that same time frame as our old PC dies.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #328 - 08/01/16 at 10:23:42
 
Mine may be dying now
My keyboard cuts out at random and it takes a restart to get it back up
tried to use my phone instead today and even using chrome on my phone my passwords aren't good? wtf?
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Reply #329 - 08/01/16 at 11:19:00
 

Sorry Art, can't help you with your passwords.   Every OS now requires passwords of at least 8-10 characters in length which are to include caps and lower case letters and special symbols.

Only advice I can offer is WRITE DOWN your ID and your passwords -- you will be forced to change them periodically.


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And considering Art is Art and lives where Art lives, we recommend a Best Buy Laptop for $130 -- so you can take it back if need be.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-ideapad-100s-11-6-laptop-intel-atom-2gb-me...





Take away the $120 for MS Win 10 and the laptop cost you a whopping $10

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